Please implement anti-sandbox functionality

We have all been there - watching replay where enemy is attacking our village in clan war, having only heroes and flying troops except a single goblin. And right in the end when their lava puppies are after my ground skeletons they deploy goblin in far edge of the village, my skeletons follow and puppies chasing right behind them. And after skeletons are out, puppies will now take care of low-hp buildings just to reach 50% and 2 stars.

You just got owned by a sandboxer.

First of all, I do not know how the game works here. I do know something about other real-time gaming (for example online poker) and how they are dealing with public and private information. I haven't been analysing data traffic (I'm way too lazy) thus I might have one or few (if not all) ideas wrong here.

Problem with CW sandboxing comes from the way how information in CW is delivered to the client: all information including CC troops, traps and tesla locations are given already when you click scout - you can see there is no latency when you hit attack so information must be on client already.

Now, sandboxer has cut the connection and somehow mocks server connection to his client thus game lets them attack - but SC server does not get any indication from this happening. Basically they can practice attacks until they find best achievable result, and only then let client to get back in talks with the servers.

As temporary offline gaming functionality is a must-have (for example when you lost network connectivity for few seconds before reconnecting) I would suggest modifying the data sent to client being split in two: public and private part. Public is what you see when when you scout the village. Private is data that has to be revealed for the client (but not necessarily GUI) at some point in the game.

Now, when you would be scouting the village you would see exactly the same you do see currently. Only under the hood client would not get information of CC troops, traps, teslas and so on. When you would hit attach, client would request this data from the server - and therefore also using one of player's attacks and option to this village.

As a side effect you couldn't cancel your attack anymore if no troops have been deployed. Not too nice but given current horde of sandboxing it's not exciting to go for wars anymore. In my clan (45+ players) only 20 tend to opt-in for clan wars after we had 3 sandbox clans as enemies in row.
Of course we cannot be certain they were sandboxers and we'd just lack the skills - but replays of their attacks just seem to be a bit too perfect. Our top villages get 3* hits on first try with perfect troop selection against our CC holdings, and somehow those barbarians were deployed on top of traps before wizards came in hands blazing.

Probably this sandboxing also affects non-war battles as well but it hasn't manifested as big problem for myself or my clan members - at least not yet *knock knock*.

:facepalm:You already can't see traps and Clan Castle troops. The only way you can see traps and Clan Castle troops are if you are in the same Clan. If you have any questions, want suggestions, need help, or want to discuss something, just send me a private message and I'll get right on it.

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Originally Posted by TheRealJackSepticEye

:facepalm:You already can't see traps and Clan Castle troops. The only way you can see traps and Clan Castle troops are if you are in the same Clan. If you have any questions, want suggestions, need help, or want to discuss something, just send me a private message and I'll get right on it.

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Ever heard about CcHEAccTING with third party "sandbox" app (xmod)? :facepalm: You can really see opponent's CC troops and everything with it and it is widely used in higher level Clan Wars. If you need help getting over this new and shocking situation, just send me a private message.

No one is going to say that the OP is wrong here. Its a big problem in desperate need of solution.

But as they have tried different approaches (some of which are alluded to by the OP) those started causing a lo of people to be losing their attacks completely. And that actually does hurt the war effort than the opponent having advance knowledge that they may or may not turn into a successful raid (they have certainly boosted their odds considerably having the knowledge, but they still have to win). SC has had a challenge on their hands trying to find the right balance. If you hang on this forum for a while you will start to see guys complaining about this and then right next to them guys complaining about it being too easy to lose ones attack. Either faction they could appease, but at the cost to the other. (and yes, their are those voices on each side saying it should be their way and screw the other)

I do hope someday a workable solution that gets rid of this activity completely without hurting others. But for now we don't have that and I think until they do they have it at just the right balance between tough choices.

One thing we can all do to combat it is to be great at analyzing bases so that the advantage that gives us matches the one gained by cheeters. it levels the field a lot when a guy can figure that stuff out anyhow. its possible too. I have a couple guys in my clan that have never so much as ever looked at a fuzzy bunny. But the guys they raid ight start wondering if they were doing it they make such good guesses. I have sat next to one of them who has pointed to a spot along an entire stretch of wall and simply said 'its right there' and been right. When I ask them how he knew that he just shrugs and says gut feeling. And he does this a lot. Some guys just have that instinct. Personally, I am jealous and trying to develop those instincts in my own self. I have had some luck but I am nothing like them. Of course, we all benefit because they give us feedback on bases before we attack and are usually right. it happens.

Keep it cool guys, no need to wage a war outside the game :)

TheRealJackSepticEye - when I said 'client' I did mean CoC application. Player does not see troops, traps, etc. but CoC application seems to have data of them already at this point - I base this guess to observation that there is no latency when you hit attack from scout screen during the war day.

3rd party applications can be found with google - I refuse to add links here as I personally want to avoid ruining the game I've played for 2.5 years on daily basis. Number of players using 3rd party applications to exploit this design in order to gain unfair advantage is increasing as well as number of complaints for said behaviour especially now after introduction of clan perks.

If you do work at SC and want to advice me where I went wrong in my conjecturing please feel free to send me a message - I can even sign NDA if that's needed to continue discussion ;)

For some reason I didn't find earlier suggestion with search before I posted mine - suggestion is pretty much identical so let's give credit for alonsoliu who came up with it months ago - http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...mulate-Attacks

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Originally Posted by setae

As a side effect you couldn't cancel your attack anymore if no troops have been deployed

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To me, this is a deal breaker. I often hit attack and realize I'm missing all my spells, my king my queen and 3/4 of my army. (I might be a exaggerating a bit, but you see my point)
But I couldn't agree more, stoping ghosting is very important...

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Originally Posted by setae

Keep it cool guys, no need to wage a war outside the game :)

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Huh? After seeing that comment I went back and read all responses. They are all helpful suggestions intended to help you. They even agree. I can only think that any 'non coolness' s inside yourself if you are perceiving that. I notice you are asking for SC developers. Are you annoyed by user responses and only want to discuss this with an SC developer?

Just to set expectations - I have yet, over the life of this forum, ever see an SC developer come here and respond to conversation requests. They just don't do that or at least haven't thus far. I don't even think its art of their job function to come here and read at all. they have mods that review the forum, select ideas that are new (sadly yours is not and I don't mean that unkindly, just its true is all) and then giv that list to SC. If they have given one before (so yours would have been) they do not pass it again. From there the list of ideas goes to the game planners who decided on its value and impact both positive and negative. If its still seen as worth considering it then goes to a game designer, they look at the architecture and scope out the effort. if it is high effort it can of course then get back into a discussion with the game planner to evaluate its value vs the higher cost. if after all that it is something they want to do the designer than plans out exactly how its going to work and writes up the detailed requirements (aka spec). its only after that where a developer gets involved and his job is to take the spec and turn it into code.

So I am not saying it can never happen. But do please appreciate how many steps removed from the user forums a developer actually is and set your expectations accordingly. Its no skin off me if you get lucky (there are times when being proven wrong are a good thing) so I wish the best.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Huh? After seeing that comment I went back and read all responses. They are all helpful suggestions intended to help you. They even agree. I can only think that any 'non coolness' s inside yourself if you are perceiving that. I notice you are asking for SC developers. Are you annoyed by user responses and only want to discuss this with an SC developer?

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No no no, Sinoli is in fact my clan member and that was more like a note for him to not get provoked (and i do know he likes the idea ;)).

Well, we'll have to see about shutting that down.