Skull Walls with elixir - with a twist

i think it would be a good idea to be able to upgrade the walls just when your elixir storage is half full or something. Or maybe just always have 7&8 walls be able to be upgraded always by elixir. Just some thoughts

I like this idea. The problem with the last time is there was no elixir at all. This would seemingly fix that.

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Originally Posted by Medici

No. Instead, it should be 1 wall per 12 hour period. Why make things so complicated?

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Sounds like a good compromise to me.

The main idea of this thread is also good imo because there wouldnt be any changes in the available loot for a raid.

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Originally Posted by Seuss145

Ok want a better one? How about those:
When you take away elixir at the bottom of the food chain, the higher guys do not get any of the elixir. So the economy crippled. With lvl 8 walks at th8, it's a major issue, as lvl 8 walls aren't overly expensive and a th8 can quickly max out elixir then channel everything to his/her walls. So there is no more elixir for th9's and 10's. The reason SC made it lvl 9 walls and up was because those wall upgrades are insanely expensive, 1 mil for 9, 3 for 10, and 4 for 11. With that, the troop upgrades are extremely high, 6-8mil average. So a th9 is storing mass amounts of elixir more often and is a capped raid. Also, by the time a th9 maxes out wlixir, most or all of the walls would already be lvl 9 so a th9 is holding close to 3 mil usually, this makes it easy for th9's and 10's to attack them and get the elixir.
So the wall upgrading with elixir option doesn't cripple the economy for th9's and th10's when it is at lvl 9+, however at lvl 8+, it will defenitely effect th9's and also th10's, as there would be no more elixir to raid, thus, crippling the economy.

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:facepalm: lol, still a terrible rebuttal!

As others have said, you obviously didn't read the OP's idea/suggestion.

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Originally Posted by DarkLord10928

So you are saying to go to TH9 with half maxed defenses, lvl 7 walls, half of your research done as soon as you start experiencing the TH8 elixir problem? No. The thing is, all TH8s about halfway through experience this problem, and instead of just saying "Go to TH9! Problem solved!", this problem needs to be fixed. We don't want to be a rushed TH9, so we need to fix this problem and these are some possible ways how. Imagine this problem at early TH9 and everyone says "Go to TH10!" That's not very helpful, is it.

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It's not a problem, use ekixir expensive armies and get lots of dark elxir

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Originally Posted by ClashMoney

:facepalm: lol, still a terrible rebuttal!

As others have said, you obviously didn't read the OP's idea/suggestion.

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Ok I had misinterpreted, my bad, im sorry, but I still don't want this to happen, simply because it's not needed. Elixir wasnt used to upgrade walls before and everything was ok then, but now since SC introduced it for a few weeks, you want it back. Lvl 8 walls are actually really cheap and do not need elixir to be upgraded, just time consuming when you ignore them and leave them for the end. When you hit lvl 9 and 10 walls, you'll see how bad it really is.

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Originally Posted by Seuss145

Ok I had misinterpreted, my bad, im sorry, but I still don't want this to happen, simply because it's not needed. Elixir wasnt used to upgrade walls before and everything was ok then, but now since SC introduced it for a few weeks, you want it back. Lvl 8 walls are actually really cheap and do not need elixir to be upgraded, just time consuming when you ignore them and leave them for the end. When you hit lvl 9 and 10 walls, you'll see how bad it really is.

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Yes, I realize that everyone did their walls at TH8 with gold before. So did everyone at TH9 and TH10. So saying everyone did it with gold before is a weak argument, unless you're proposing we take elixir walls away from TH9's and TH10's as well. (On a sidenote, I fully support taking away L9 elixir walls from TH9, but letting them keep L10 elixir walls, as another possible compromise. 1M elixir is too cheap, drains almost as much elixir from the economy as L8 walls.)

Yes, I realize that level 8 walls are cheap (compared to L9+). But the point is, even if you don't upgrade a single wall to level 8, you WILL have excess elixir by the time all your defenses are maxed, unless you farm with all dragons all the time. The gold costs at TH8 are something like 40M-50M higher than the elixir costs, including all the research (which takes months), and not including walls (which are another 112M gold on top!).

There simply is no way to avoid excess elixir at TH8. And when I say excess, I don't just mean that you have "a lot". I mean that you will have so much, that it will go to waste. You won't be able to spend it, so either your storages will overflow (meaning any elixir you raid just get erased from the economy), or you'll be giving it away during raids (which is great for the economy, but it still means you don't get to spend something you had to work to earn).

Having an outlet where a player could spend their elixir, even an inefficient one (like 2x the cost), would be better for the game than the current setup. It wouldn't be so much of an issue, if it weren't for TH9 players being able to dump 1M elixir any time they want. Those same TH9 players then tell the TH8's to suck it up or upgrade to TH9. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

Anyway, the OP's solution would provide one possible method to help TH8's out. They would be able to spend elixir for walls, but only when they are at a point in their base progression, where they have truly excess elixir. That is, they have so much elixir (more than 2.6M), and nothing else more important to spend it on. They will still probably get raided for that elixir by TH9's, giving 270k elixir back into the economy (300k minus loot penalty). So there is still a "cost" to elixir walls: the risk of being raided for 270k+ elixir. If you buy a wall for 500k elixir, and get raided for 270k (because you were required to maintain the raidable cap), that wall cost you an effective 770k elixir. I'm okay with that.

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Originally Posted by Seuss145

Ok I had misinterpreted, my bad, im sorry, but I still don't want this to happen, simply because it's not needed. Elixir wasnt used to upgrade walls before and everything was ok then, but now since SC introduced it for a few weeks, you want it back. Lvl 8 walls are actually really cheap and do not need elixir to be upgraded, just time consuming when you ignore them and leave them for the end. When you hit lvl 9 and 10 walls, you'll see how bad it really is.

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Except that it IS needed.

To quote Xitra: "...everyone did their walls at TH8 with gold before. So did everyone at TH9 and TH10. So saying everyone did it with gold before is a weak argument..."

Why would you be against this if it doesn't even affect you?

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Originally Posted by BBob24

i think it would be a good idea to be able to upgrade the walls just when your elixir storage is half full or something. Or maybe just always have 7&8 walls be able to be upgraded always by elixir. Just some thoughts

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My idea is basically the same as your first idea, but mine deals with the loot cap while yours deals with the size of the storages. Your second idea was already introduced into the game but then removed because too many people upgraded walls with elixir so there was no elixir available to be raided.

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Originally Posted by Seuss145

It's not a problem, use ekixir expensive armies and get lots of dark elxir

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The problem is that those armies take too long to train, and they still don't keep active TH8s' elixir down. Even when I train them overnight, I still keep building my elixir, and I know many other TH8s with that problem, they make more elixir than they lose. Also, why shoudn't I say the same to you? Remove elixir walls and just use expensive armies!! No. You would protest for a good reason, and we still do need a fix to the extra elixir