Loot penalty needs to be re-balanced

I'm a recent schmuck convert to Town Hall 10 and I underestimated the true Severity of the loot Penalty. It has gotten to the point where I am so frustrated that I have been forced to post into a Blog that most likely goes absolutely nowhere. I know this given the auto-responses I receive from the in-game feedback.

I am having trouble understanding the 50% Penalty to Town Hall 10s dropping to Town Hall 8s. The logic of "protecting" the lower level bases is both flawed and lazy. The idea is flawed given that if there was such an outrageous gap between TH10 Attack Power and TH8 Defense Power, then the Problem lies with Town Hall 8s having too little Defense. Rather than penalize your most dedicated players, provide those up and coming bases with more to build further providing them more power to ward off more powerful attacks. Perhaps a single X-Bow at TH8 or higher levels to the mortars? Then you can provide the penalty of say 70% rather than the ridiculous 50%.

Rather than really attacking the supposed balance issue of as I was told you had "received many complains about high level players dropping trophies to raid players with 30 levels below them. The weaker players had no chance to defend themselves." Another idea would be to cap leagues. If I am Town Hall 8-10 then I shouldn't be allowed to drop "30 Levels" as you put it. Let me stay in a league more suited for my Town Hall. Make the leagues mean something! You can certainly allow players to bump up leagues but don't let them bump down? The word "League" implies a sport style design. Take a play book from all major pro leagues around the world and make your top tier players play in Top Tier leagues? For example, the NHL, NBA and MLB all have Pro leagues coupled with minor & developmental leagues. However, The LA Kings or the San Francisco Giants are not allowed to go to the minor leagues and win games for improve their records. Why not apply the same logic here?

I would be more than happy to have a discussion about ideas or concepts that may be beneficial to the wider audience but please don't trivialize this matter. I've dedicated too much time to this game to have it end with this "Gotcha" tactic with respects to my upgrade.

It feels like you treat your most dedicated players as addicts. You hope they make a mistake like I did so that you can get them to buy your gems and make it better. I completely understand the business aspect and respect what this game has done. And yes, I spend money on the game too! But this is just unfair and poor business.

I hope I get a response out of this and again would be more than happy to discuss further!

There could be a lower loot penalty for higher league, and a higher loot penalty for lower league.

Lets say you were a th8 and you had max storages. Without that 50% loot penalty, you would lose about 700k in resources to a max th10. That doesn't seem fair, does it? It discourages people from just attacking th4s in a th7 or something outrageous as that.

The game gets harder as it goes on, the loot penalty is an example of this.

Its a good system that penalises those that rush to TH 10 for the defences and troop but don't level up as they do it.
When i was a TH8 i was furious someone who had lvl5/6 cannons but an inferno could destroy my attack!

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Originally Posted by magnficent8

I'm a recent schmuck convert to Town Hall 10 and I underestimated the true Severity of the loot Penalty. It has gotten to the point where I am so frustrated that I have been forced to post into a Blog that most likely goes absolutely nowhere. I know this given the auto-responses I receive from the in-game feedback.

I am having trouble understanding the 50% Penalty to Town Hall 10s dropping to Town Hall 8s. The logic of "protecting" the lower level bases is both flawed and lazy. The idea is flawed given that if there was such an outrageous gap between TH10 Attack Power and TH8 Defense Power, then the Problem lies with Town Hall 8s having too little Defense. Rather than penalize your most dedicated players, provide those up and coming bases with more to build further providing them more power to ward off more powerful attacks. Perhaps a single X-Bow at TH8 or higher levels to the mortars? Then you can provide the penalty of say 70% rather than the ridiculous 50%.

Rather than really attacking the supposed balance issue of as I was told you had "received many complains about high level players dropping trophies to raid players with 30 levels below them. The weaker players had no chance to defend themselves." Another idea would be to cap leagues. If I am Town Hall 8-10 then I shouldn't be allowed to drop "30 Levels" as you put it. Let me stay in a league more suited for my Town Hall. Make the leagues mean something! You can certainly allow players to bump up leagues but don't let them bump down? The word "League" implies a sport style design. Take a play book from all major pro leagues around the world and make your top tier players play in Top Tier leagues? For example, the NHL, NBA and MLB all have Pro leagues coupled with minor & developmental leagues. However, The LA Kings or the San Francisco Giants are not allowed to go to the minor leagues and win games for improve their records. Why not apply the same logic here?

I would be more than happy to have a discussion about ideas or concepts that may be beneficial to the wider audience but please don't trivialize this matter. I've dedicated too much time to this game to have it end with this "Gotcha" tactic with respects to my upgrade.

It feels like you treat your most dedicated players as addicts. You hope they make a mistake like I did so that you can get them to buy your gems and make it better. I completely understand the business aspect and respect what this game has done. And yes, I spend money on the game too! But this is just unfair and poor business.

I hope I get a response out of this and again would be more than happy to discuss further!

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I think what you said about leagues is a great idea, that's kinda what I was trying to get at in my post but you just added content to it! That would be one of the possibility to regulate people dropping trophies. Ps. Pretty soon you'll get people calling you a whiner, but it just goes to show how big a problem it is in the lower leagues, and how high lvl players dictate how the game is played.

You just now notice it? It has been in game for awhile, and it is mentioned in the upgrade page for the Town Hall. (http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Town_Hall)

You just discovered that loot is poor for a TH10, which is something people have complained about, and should have known about if you interacted with other players.

I'm a TH8, and I can't attack the nice and easy TH6s for loot because of the loot penalty, just like when I was TH7 and couldn't rob blind TH5s very well either. It protects the range of base levels, not just us TH8s from you. I can Barcher army to death a TH6, if that tells you how much a strength difference there is. So if that Loot Penalty wasn't there, anyone can make a cheap army and just constantly farm off the newbies. Tell me, how fun would that be if you got introduced to the game with such attacks constantly?

So you want Supercell to rebalance every kind of base defence, across the board, so you can go about looting like you used to again? Isn't going to happen. I'm sorry if you raced right to end-game, but that's what is left for you know. At least if you are in Champion League, you'll get some good bonus loot per win. Might be something to look forward to.

I'm working on leveling up all my stuff and trying to fend off th8s from stealing all my resources. For the most part I can do ok. They don't always get it all and I'm fine with that as they needed to use some higher level troops to do that, so it cost them a bit. Then along comes a th 10 who can just barch me to 100% death. No. That I am not ok with. There would be zero reason for me to continue to play if everytime I logged on some jack had wiped me out and stolen all my loot.

Yes the game gets harder to progress the higher you go. Deal with it and quit your crying. If you were able to attain all the loot you needed you would complete all your upgrades then be crying because there was nothing left to do and that new levels were needed. Then you would complain they were too expensive and again not enough loot. And on and on. Enjoy the ride.

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Originally Posted by Birdcraft

I'm working on leveling up all my stuff and trying to fend off th8s from stealing all my resources. For the most part I can do ok. They don't always get it all and I'm fine with that as they needed to use some higher level troops to do that, so it cost them a bit. Then along comes a th 10 who can just barch me to 100% death. No. That I am not ok with. There would be zero reason for me to continue to play if everytime I logged on some jack had wiped me out and stolen all my loot.

Yes the game gets harder to progress the higher you go. Deal with it and quit your crying. If you were able to attain all the loot you needed you would complete all your upgrades then be crying because there was nothing left to do and that new levels were needed. Then you would complain they were too expensive and again not enough loot. And on and on. Enjoy the ride.

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I miss being TH7 :( Had the most fun there, able to fend off people with my base (http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-Barcher-raids), and could revenge attack back in a meaningful way.

It was the loot penalty that kept TH9s from attacking and wrecking my base, and if I had to deal with that, I may have eventually quit, and leave my base open for looting as an inactive base.

i see your point but i dont agree that leagues should mean a whole lot more than having more money and a fancy badge
i just finished maxing th8 and am at the beggining stages of th9, but i farm at about at about 680 trophys in bronze league and never attack
the reason being is that 90% of the time i get attacked its a th sniper or some guy trying to 3 star me with 12 lvl 1 balloons :\
but the downside being all i ever get to attack is th4s, but i never attack anyway so i really could care less so to me
trophys/leagues = pointless leave it be

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Originally Posted by LordGingerbread

They shouldn't break the loot system by allowing th10's to beat up th8's and steal all their loot. Adding more defense wouldn't work either.


It is your fault you decided to rush. If you can' take loot from th10, then you shouldn't have upgraded.

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Let me clarify. I didn't Rush. I Maxed all my defense at Town Hall 9 except for archer towers (Level 9) and 1 Air Defense. I have 112 Level 8 Black walls. All Camps and and Loot collectors are also maxed. With Respects to my troops, I maxed Golems, Witches, Pekkas, Wizards, Giants, archers, Wall Breakers, Dragons, Healers, Barbarians and Balloons before making the move. I suggest before you jump to such an ignorant comment.

The reason I made the jump is as the clan leader, we perpetually got matched with ridiculous Wars. Case in point, we have 2 TH10s with Infernos and were match made agains 7 TH10s 6 of which had 2 Inferno Towers while the last had a single tower. How is that possible.

The folks that jump to conclusion and call me a whiner or assume I "upgraded" too fast you are completely missing the point and simply looking to troll.

The point I'm trying to make is that these TH8s and TH9s should have more of the defensive upgrades that are available at TH10. Thereby balancing the defense and allowing for a more sustainable balanced loot table.

With respects to the loot of 700K available to a TH8 scenario.....When's the last time you've seen a base like that? Reality is, that base would get rolled regardless of the attacker and in a perpetual nature to the point there would be no loot.