Psa: Stop upgrading your defenses!!!

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Originally Posted by Humbob

That would be interesting, Sservis, but its beyond the scale of my interest. I'm interested largely in a general idea of matching, as like with everything in Clash, its simply subject to change.

btw I referenced your rushing comments in another thread, so I apologize ahead of time if I've butchered them.

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If the weights change, queue up another war and see how they rate versus each other. The # of wall units they differ by might change, but you only have to build the accounts once. This sounds like a good side project, build a couple accounts a week through the low TH levels and see if I can infer a pattern.

Since pretty much all I'm proposing is to upgrade TH, camps, barracks (for queue length), barch, and one defense, it won't exactly take much work.

Bumb. Still the best advice. I tell it to everyone that joins my clan.

Sound philosophy. Basically, don't start upgrading defenses until you are 3 starring other th9s at your level, then SLOWLY start adding on. You can still use your resources, but just be more effective. It all gets done in the end anyways, start yourself off slowly when starting a new TH rather then jumping head first into a poor matchup.

I have read a few pages in this thread...

AND IT PISSES ME OFF. What the hell... I understand that someone just can't spend a day without a post here ok.. But why this..? And if it was some Chinese local forum, no you have to do it on official one...

I really feel that I have spent my time pretty much for nothing. And it is true of course. But at least it had purpose.

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Originally Posted by MrKel

This Public Service Announcement comes to you from a TH8-TH9 clan that aspires to be great at war.

STOP UPGRADING YOUR DEFENSES. JUST STOP IT.

What madness is this? Upgrading defenses has always been the aspiration in Clash of Clans. Who doesn't want dark purple wizard towers or mortars that launch explosives into hordes of unsuspecting, freshly vaporized barchers?

But if you care about war, you'll leave your defenses alone. You'll work on your walls, heroes and troops instead, because these have a lot more to do with the outcome than any upgraded defense ever will.

Assumption 1: 'Clan Strength' as determined by the matchmaking algorithm is largely based on defenses.

That shiny xbow you've just upgraded to level 3 is not neat. It's a huge liability. It's shifted your position on the war map well above your peers, making your at-level opponent harder for you to defeat. This is especially true if you've neglected your troops. (Plus, they totally mock you when you log off for neglecting them. It's true.)

If you have maxed your defenses, without maxing your heroes and troops, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

Assumption 2: Base Layout has more to do with winning on defense than defensive upgrades.

And the single biggest factor when it comes to base layout? Walls. No, you do not need to rush to TH10 to get a pair of infernos. Sure, they'll vaporize the little guys, but you will still get steamrolled by the big ones. Take the coin you'd be spending on rushed defenses, and use it to upgrade your walls instead.

If you have a single defense upgraded at TH9 without 100% skull walls (level 8), YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

Assumption 3: OFFENSE wins wars.

To win clan wars, you need the troops to consistently three-star your opponent; and, depending on your clan's war regime, your opponent probably has a similar location on the war map as you. Bumping your defenses puts you higher on the map, and unless you have some hardcore firepower, you will fail there -- both on defense and offense.

If your troops are not capable of three-starring your opponent and you're upgrading defenses, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

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We've seen so many TH9's that have poured their lives into defenses whilst completely neglecting their troops. With the new emphasis on Clan Wars via leveling and perks, this is becoming an ever more egregious form of rushing. Not only does it make your war matchups more difficult, it also guarantees that your war log will remain in the red.

Do yourself and the clan you'll be joining a favor. Leave your defenses alone.

Troops > Heroes > Walls > Defenses

And yeah, I know what happens when you assume. This one might be a little over-the-top, but we're seeing first hand what happens when players fail to consider the effect defenses are having on the bigger picture.

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Edit: Supercell has done little in the way of updates to kill this thread. When they do, it should totally die.

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I love how much time people devote to working out "weights" so that they can alter their upgrades to get "easier" war matches rather than putting that same time into becoming good at the game (note: i understand that if you do this you aren't necessarily bad at the game so it is a generalisation).

Nothing can replace a competent attacker or someone who is good at base design. i look for these people to enter my clan any day rather than someone who is trying to "manipulate" war weight.

WHY? because you can triple the opponent at least 90% of the time because your heroes and troops are far beyond your weight...once the matchup search happens most of the time you'll end up with a base similar to your defensive weight.

doesn't mean that you wouldn't max your defenses up...it just means you'll put more priority on offense than defense...but both will hit max soon.

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Originally Posted by Sqwook

I love how much time people devote to working out "weights" so that they can alter their upgrades to get "easier" war matches rather than putting that same time into becoming good at the game (note: i understand that if you do this you aren't necessarily bad at the game so it is a generalisation).

Nothing can replace a competent attacker or someone who is good at base design. i look for these people to enter my clan any day rather than someone who is trying to "manipulate" war weight.

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Originally Posted by Humbob

except extremely opposite to farming rushing, extremely opposite. Those gibarch troops the farmers rushed? Useless or near useless in war.

war rushing would leave giants at 1, barch at 4, and max abcdefg used in war.

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Interesting to find ones old posts and stare at them and only slowly remember your mood the day you posted them.

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Originally Posted by MrLeeGrahamNord

I have read a few pages in this thread...

AND IT PISSES ME OFF. What the hell... I understand that someone just can't spend a day without a post here ok.. But why this..? And if it was some Chinese local forum, no you have to do it on official one...

I really feel that I have spent my time pretty much for nothing. And it is true of course. But at least it had purpose.

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Well this is an old thread, so don't blame OP too much on this. Knowing what i know now, and reading back some of my old comments, I must admit, some of them are quite ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by TangoFever

Well this is an old thread, so don't blame OP too much on this. Knowing what i know now, and reading back some of my old comments, I must admit, some of them are quite ridiculous.

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I look at my base on a daily basis and think, what was I thinking? At least my end goal is max all on my first account.

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Originally Posted by Sservis

I look at my base on a daily basis and think, what was I thinking? At least my end goal is max all on my first account.

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There's always th11 .... semi reboot? :p