Proposed Defence Revamp

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Scaled base strength by loot
Right now, you can have nothing, or full storages, and your base will fight just as hard in either scenario. After a while of raiding, dozens or even hundreds of bases, this can get bland. Hitting next often, passing bases that are not worth the attack, only to look for that one easy to wipe out fattened target. That's playing the slot machine more than playing CoC.

Or you just got your loot gathered up, and constantly stay online, poking the game while not under the shield so you stay online and not lose your stuff. The game will kick you out in short order if you change to a different app, which means babysitting your device to one degree or another, and doing stuff so the short inactivity timer doesn't go off. Wait, babysitting a game is fun?

So, what if your defences had a bit of human behavior to it? Based on what you have stored, your base will 'put more effort into' or 'be more alart' to raids. If empty or near empty, besides guarding the Town Hall, there is nothing of real importance to be on guard about. Raiders don't take an empty village seriously. On the other hand, instead of goofing off, they have filled up storages to worry about, and the thread of being attack rises with that.

The strength incress could come in many forums, from increases DPS, to stronger walls and tougher key buildings, to possibly a a change in AI targeting to be smarter (or lazy) in thier targeting. With more loot, sure you will get attacked more often, but also the odds of getting totaly robbed are decreased as a good defensive base becomes even better as it gets something worth fighting for.

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This post has a lot of info, so I decided to come back to it, and take at least some of it piece by piece.


The issue with this particular suggestion is what if you don't care about loot at the moment and are just pushing trophies? Doesn't seem like this would be particularly fair for you.

It did give me some ideas though...all of the defenses except the archer and wizard towers appear to be unmanned. Also, all of them have an unlimited supply of ammo except for the xbows and infernos.

So the first idea I thought of was what if you had to pay your archers that were on the tower? You could pay to have as many as would fit on that level, or pay less and get less. I could have 1 archer on the tower instead of 3, and the rate of fire would be 1/3.

Extend that to all defenses...you could have to pay to rearm pretty much everything (cannon balls, mortars, and air defense missiles cost money, don't they?) To compensate for this, the rate/capacity of mines and collectors would have to be increased.


Mercenaries!

Another idea I came up with based on something you said here. So you don't want to wait for an army, but other players in your clan or in general have troops trained that they are willing to sell for hire. You pay a certain amount of gold to the owner of each troop that has been designated as "available for hire," depending of course on the type of troop and level, and those troops leave the army camps of whatever base they're on, and join your army.





Anyway I don't see any of this happening really, but it can't hurt to discuss.

Do you know how hard it has been just to get some discussion going on this? :(

As for lack of specifics and numbers, I just have no idea where to start. I know I don't have enough gameplay experience to work out near end-game, or near max level balance issues. I don't have the time, let alone personal drive, to obsessively tackle the whole thing alone. Who does?!

Best I can do is work out known feature interactions, likely player reactions, and be able to recall most of the working knowledge of it on the spot from one pass. I can do numbers and whatnot, but that falls under the lack of personal drive. :(

Anyway, will stop my whining..

There are some unique and novel ideas in here. But I think there are simpler ones that focus on the crux of the problem with defense.

As Warren mentions, defense can be quite harsh. Here's an example to illustrate (and it's fresh on my mind as it just happened yesterday; still annoyed by it at this point)

I'm a medium TH8 and in terms of attacking I'm okay, better than most (maybe) but no where near an elite player. I spent several hours barching my way to enough loot for my next upgrade. To speak specifically, over the course of 3.5 hours I looted 610,000g, 500,000e, and 2,100de. This was done in 10 attacks. So a nice steady amount of game play, but not constantly playing.

Ironically, as I was planning my 11th attack I received a phone call. In the 45 seconds I was gone a TH9 came in and attacked my base. They cleared out about 250,000g, over 350,000e, & over 1,900 de. On top of that, I had the privilege of paying an additional 110,000g to reset my traps.

I know everyone has a similar story to this one. So what is it about these scenarios that upset us so much? For me, it's the fact that in less than two minutes someone can undo what I worked so hard for over the previous 3.5 hours. I've been cleaned out for more and been less upset. But also, there is a helpless feeling. There is absolutely nothing i can do, other than stay on line non stop, to prevent a th9 or th10 from wiping me completely ouylt. So I have a couple thoughts which I'd love to get your opinions on.

First, let's better reward defenses. If you turn away an attack you should receive a bonus. I know, I know. You can earn trophies. But until I can buy a fancy new Wizard Tower with those tarnished trophies I refuse to call that a reward.

AND, why should I have to fork out between 40,000 & 100,000 gold to reset my traps if they got sprung by some knucklehead who only took 12% of my base? If you turn away an attack the cost of resetting them should be taken directly from the attackers loot. And if they didn't loot enough then they should reset auto-magically.

But also, what about a time delay on newly acquired loot being available to attackers? So if I work all day to get enough for that expensive Tesla upgrade it shouldn't be gone in the blink of an eye because I had to take a 45 second phonecall. Let's say, any loot I obtain will not be available to attackers for 3 hours (?) after I obtain it. That would keep resources in circulation but stop the frustration of working all day and ending up with very little to show for it. I know this would be a nightmare to code, but I think it will help keep players invested instead of rage quitting when their frustration boils over.

Interested to hear what you guys think.

Ouch! :saywhat:

Before people say this, you might want to pick a different trophy range to get loot from, and a few other things best talked about in a different forum.

But this does bring up a point I haven't looked into, because it was kind of assumed. Loot availability vs risk of loot loss. :facepalm:

Ugh.. This adds another factor into things.

Nevermind. I have an idea, but can't quite work it out clearly right now off hand.