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if you leave during the war you should still be able to view the warpage and use your attacks, that way you could enter a war in one clan, leave join another clan, and then view the war page and the war you are in is still there, you cant war with the other clan till its finished anyway, and you would get the loot if you are in the clan or not so this should be a simple option and it helps clans that sometimes get hoppers, since its in their interest to attack since they are in the war anyway
Honestly, most of your ideas are awful and can be easily be exploited. For example, clan hop and constantly be attacking to get huge loot bonuses.
Yeah I disagree. It's encouraging clan hopping. If you want to be elsewhere then stay there. No need to add a feature cause you want to hop around.
i dont want to hop arround, they are already in the war and sometimes people leave, you cant make them stay and they are locked in war so it would discorage hopping as they cant get away from the war anyway, they cant join a new war untill the old one finished, it simply makes the game better as you wont have to worry about mass exodus at the start of war meaning your war is pretty much over before it begins wasting two whole days, some people want to war but thier clans dont wanna war, this has zero downsidesQuote:
Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich
clan hop = still in war, you are already in the war anyway, you could go back and fight, but why do that when you could just fight outside the war in another clan, you cant join multiple wars can you? but this way if you are in a war and you leave or get kicked, you are still in the war and still get to make your attacksQuote:
Originally Posted by FishFishFish
you cant exploit attacks in war, you could lose on purpose but who does that hurt? you thats it
you could snipe exposed th? well anyone could do that and they would get kicked, but they would still get the loot now, also they only get to do it once if you kick them they cant join the next war
fact is if you are selected for a war you should be able to compete in that war regardless of circumstances,
none of you can tell me a way this can be abused that isnt already a way it can be abused now, this just makes the game better and more fun
They added the solution to this. You don't wanna war you opt out. You wanna war then you can get 10 people in your clan to war and have someone start it. Half my clan doesn't war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
It doesnt discourage hopling. It'l breaks the system. I leave during war. I can still attack but this means I can go join another clan and just sandbag my attacks. IF they don't care enough to stay in te clan to war; you really think they'll care enough to attack? Nope. And they're already locked in a war. Only thing you're suggesting is being able to participate while not in a clan. That makes no sense. You don't start war solo for one.
major flaw:
I join a clan. I'm still listed as being in war and since I can attack my war menu shows my war. Well what if I already did all my attacks? I can't look at the clan I'm in war. All it shows is my old clan. So me looking at my new clans war would be impossible. And I would still get a bonus even though I wasn't there in the clan during war.
Sounds great
Join a clan for war loot. Leave after it starts. Never return.
maybe you dont wanna be in that clan, maybe they dont want you in there, either way if you are in a war its not fair on someone for you to not be fighting in that war, you dont get the next war, but this war you can attack and get loot bonus, clan can still win war, you cant do anything else war related untill its over and why should you lose out on loot and why should the clan lose out on the attacks you might make?
It hurts the clan when they sand bag attacks. Unused attack is the same as a 0%. And I just listed how it could get abused so:smirk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
BAM YOU JUST MADE THE POINTQuote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
You should lose out on loot because you bailed on your clan during war. You're weren't there to give donations.Quote:
why should you lose out on loot
Just get a loyal clan like damn it's not that hard
erm that happens now! in the war log you can view past wars and it then has an option ti view current war, that could be easily adapted to switch between the two, and even if you join leave an nver return the clan does not suffer cos you will use your attacks, or maybe you wont but thats your choice, and its a choice we have today, you have the option of going back to fight after you leave, im just saying we should change it so you dont have too, in case something happens like the player gets kicked, or the player leaves nobody is affected by thisQuote:
Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich
if you are goina knock my idea at least come up with a decent argument
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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich
or they kicked you for unrelated business, you were selected for war regardless, fighting in war is a way of helping the clan, if you bail they lose that option, but if you are in the war you can use your attacks. BOOM THATS MY POINT!
and you would be entitled to the loot if you attacked anyway and left, maybe you dont like the clan, maybe its not as active as you wanted, once you are in war you should be obligated to be in it till the end, and if you are the leader you have to make do with the troops at your disposal good or bad
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Originally Posted by FishFishFish
I browsed through his last 5-6 ideas and I'm going to have to agree with this statement.
sometimes new players get caught up in war and leave and you are left wondering why, they join new clans so you cant invite them back, they are part of your attack tho, it look bad if you have players missing so they should be available too you regardless
this is pretty much the system as it is now with one small change you dont need to be in the clan to attack in the war you are selected in, maybe you are two stars behind and one person with two attacks has left, if they see this they can use thier attacks, they can win the war for you and everyone is happy
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Originally Posted by AxionXD
wow all the trolls out today huh? nobody has given any reasons why it would be a bad idea tho, they say they are reasons why but its problems we have in game now so they dont have anything to do with my idea
then what is your issue with the problem? if you sand bag the attack then you could watch the clan win and think aww i could have had loads of loot, you hurt yourself, yes the clan loses attacks but right now they lose them anyway so the problem you say could abuse the idea is a problem we have already without the idea, so how is it relevant?Quote:
Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich
Yeah personally I think clan hopping is something that needs to be discouraged. And the reason this is bad is because if u want to hop it basically says if you get your attacks in see ya later clan and it's just another reason to hop
To be fair -- if they leave before attacking --- goodbye --- not interested in them being involved. If they still wish to be involved, they could request to rejoin --- but If I saw it before one of my co's accepted, I'd reject ---- ... why you want people involved, who have shown they dont want to be?.......:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thu mbsdown::thumbsdown:
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Originally Posted by Bwit51
that's if they attack, and people can do that anyway, i would rather they use their attacks and leave, than just leave. you dont want them in your clan, but they were selected for the war, thats two days, and it can effect the outcome, war is so strict with its times so if you have five members leave during prep day it ruins the whole war, all i am saying is you only lose the clan member, you dont lose the attacks, and the former clan member doesnt have to wait till he is not "war locked" it doesnt encorage hopping as the player is still a part of the clan (kinda) and he can see how the clan does, sometimes i have had members join and they say they wanna war, then they leave because they say the clan doesnt talk enough, now that is fair enough if he wants a more talkative clan thats his choice, but he wanted to war, and he is in the war at the expense of someone else. now i can chase him down in his new clan, but that is complicated as I cant just join the clan i have to leave my clan and then i have to find his new clan, to do that i have to search for it as the clan chat is gone. then i have to get in the clan, and ask him to come back which oddly enough looks like im recruiting him from the clan he just joined.
and all that just so he can use his attacks
well what if he could just use his attacks in his new clan, while waiting till the war is over, now he doesnt have to, he can just ignore it, but its in his best interest to attack because loot and stars are available.
after the war the next war will not include him, and you know if he comes back that this person left before, so you can decide not to include him
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Originally Posted by victort
yeah im not saying they get back in the clan, im just saying that the attacks are available to the clan, you dont have to let them back in, and they will only ever be in one war, but with the amount of time a war takes dont you just hate it when you are two stars behind and a guy who left has both attacks available?
i just dont see how it could be a bad thing, it would combat hoppers to be honest as they would still see how the clan is doing and then they would know they are in a war, how many join ur clan warlocked and dont even realise it?
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Originally Posted by Ectar
No, if they leave and we loose - np - next war is only a few days away... (only happended once, that somone left during a war, we won anyway - but even a loss np, win the next one....)
Nobody joins during war - we don't accept... simple.....
Only thing that combats hoppers is a closed/invite only clan --- allready got that thanks ..........
Personaly - If you leave - then you are gone for good -- not realy bothered about you getting your war loot or stars.......:facepalm:
again the issue is not them returning to the clan, its having the attacks available, and its not just them leaving they could get kickedQuote:
Originally Posted by victort
are you saying people cant leave a closed clan? cos they can, but what about the other clans who cant be closed, the new clans that are building up?Quote:
Originally Posted by victort
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Originally Posted by Ectar
Again, I dont care - they are gone - I dont give a rats ♥♥♥ about them - they are no longer in our clan - we will survive without them....
Re-your next post.
Of course people leave closed clans ... whats that got to do with anything? ....
Clans that start up from scratch will be plagued with hoppers - just like established closed clans were - thats tough on them --- but they will get past it, just like we did - this useless idea of trying to force players to be involved after leaving is just pure garbage....
Its all downside. You just don't see it. Not a good idea at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
Just because they are starting out doesn't mean they shouldn't be smart about stuff. They should still be paying attention to who they take and also taking precautions to filter off hoppers before trusting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
there is no forcing of anybody, they are already war locked they can not join another war till the previous war finishes, that being said why cant they use their attacks, they are a part of that war, maybe you dont wanna let them back in the clan, maybe they dont wanna come back, thats not what its about, its about the attacks, all i am saying is they can use the attacks that they already have in war, they never have to join your clan again they can get on with the game, but im just saying let them have the attacks its one war thats all after that they are on their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by victort
I didn't realize you were suggesting that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
You are penalizing then everyone that moves around for reasons other than to ditch a clan during war.
Your ideas are not well thought out I sadly have to say. I see you here arguing with everyone instead of getting that. I urge you to get that. Maybe you should step back and learn the game and culture better before pushing any more of this. You may feel you understand it but your responses give away that you don't. They are only showing you to be a guy that thinks he knows everything because he has no idea how much he doesn't know.
I understand ---the idea is just garbage -- if they leave, then goodbye. --- Why should they be able to attack? why should they get a big bonus if the rest of us win -- they have gone, they left, they are elsewhere --- what it is it you don't understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
To be plain -- if they leave during war - they cannot attack - yes, we possibly loose 2 attack slots - fair enough, we will make them up, or we will lose. I see no reason they would attack after leaving - and less reason why I should care.
THE IDEA IS GARBAGE
Ectar, problem with your idea is this . clan wars is not about "just your 2 attacks"
Its a "clan war". Meaning you help clan with donation on attacks and coordinate to see which base needs attacking and who should attack when and which strategy is better. You talk it out with your " clan mates "
Your idea is garbage because people are supposed to be in the same clan and war together.. Not go off on their own and try to get their share of war loot by just barching being in another clan.
No, we don't care about your little 2 attack. We will be fine without your "great help". We can win without it or we will lose because we let someone like you in clan war. Period.
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Originally Posted by rwelshjr
wow seriously you have resorted to name calling?
ok ima clear a few things up here
1. it's not well thought out?
A no it's not well thought out, it was a whimsical idea, i have them from time to time and i have to let the world know, thats why its on a forum, to be discussed i can take negative critisism but not negativity which is all im getting, you offer no arguments or help towards the idea, you offer no alternatives you simply say "rubbish" this is whats known as being a troll, if you dont like it you dont have to say anything, if you can think of a better way of putting it you can say that, if the idea is not possible you can say that, but none of you give me any reason why it cant be done, only that you dont want it too be done?
its a forum im not in charge of supercell, its just about talking about ideas of which this is one, you have said you dont like it, fine that should be the end of it, if you have any information to add those as to why it couldn't be implemented i would like to hear it, and i will give you my reply as to why it can work. but name calling is just childish.
2, learn the game culture?
A not sure what this means, ive been playing this game longer than i can remember, maybe 2011 onwards?, i have ipad iphone samsung galaxy, i play this game every day, i have recently started to come on the forums as i wanted to try them out, but what culture are you speaking about, i am speaking from my many years of experience playing the game.
3. They are only showing you to be a guy that thinks he knows everything because he has no idea how much he doesn't know?
A i have never said i know everything, nor would i, you come across as though you are saying "you dont agree with me so you are wrong" which is what you are accusing me of, which is silly cos i am just trying to get feedback on an idea that i have recently had to make the game more enjoyable, i never said i knew everything and for you to assume otherwise says alot more about you than it does me
all i have asked for is a proper reason why my idea would not work, all you have come back with are things that are already in game as issues and have nothing to do with my idea, in fact my idea would combat most of them anyway.
if you dont like it dont comment, but then again you are trolls so this is what you live for :)
from this point on i will discuss serious posts about my idea only
Actually you yourself were called no names. Your ideas were called 'not well thought out' (its pretty much all others that have been saying 'awful', 'rubbish, and I think I saw 'garbage' too.) but its an accurate statement so you will have to live with that. I will admit I did point out that you are very short on knowledge, but that is something you yourself have been proving, not me. You even went on a long rant after that about how much of what I say you don't understand. Maybe you should walk away until the day you understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
You are not even aware of what your own self is saying. At one point you call it a just whimsical idea, then you say you will only accept serious discussion of it? Pretty much everything that has come from you is off any sort of mark.
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Originally Posted by rwelshjr
this doesn't seem like you are talking about the post, therefore i have decided to ignore it, but i welcome any intelligent discussion regarding the original post, even negative criticism should it actually be about the original post.
Yes, I am talking about the post. It can't be discussed intelligently on your terms. You have had lots of intelligent discussion why it is wrong and the problems it would cause. But you actually aren't interested in intelligent conversation if it disagrees with you. What you are saying is you want only feedback that agrees with you. But that would not be intelligent so we have a catch 22.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
So far this thread has been nothing but you arguing with the all other comers. I think the thread is unanimous that your idea is not something that should ever be pursued. If you can't get that then fine. If you want us to stop telling you what's wrong with your idea we can do that and it can just roll off the feed.
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Originally Posted by rwelshjr
no i have been given many reasons that do not involve my idea, everything that has been said is already in the game and my idea combats them all, i am arguing because this is no longer about the idea and more about you attacking me,
people leave clans, people get kicked out of clans, sometimes it is during a war, all the idea was is that you do not have to be in a clan to view the warmap and use your attacks, it saves time trying to track down a player to make his attacks, it stops clans from banishing players from war on a whim. you have taken this as a personal vendetta because it is my post, and obviously i'm not going to back down, you could ignore this post and it would go away, but you wont because thats not what a troll does is it,
Ah, now we do get our first instance of name calling. Well done sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectar
So if this is your idea then it makes my point for me.....
"people leave clans, people get kicked out of clans, sometimes it is during a war, all the idea was is that you do not have to be in a clan to view the war map and use your attacks, it saves time trying to track down a player to make his attacks, it stops clans from banishing players from war on a whim."
I actually had not called that specific suggestions 'poorly thought out' before but I will say it now so its official for you to whine about.
Its not a personal vendetta to call this a poorly though out idea. Just like its not a personal vendetta against the sky to call it blue. And you are not stating accurately that guys have not given you intelligent arguments that spoke to what is wrong with it. and I see you know that because you replied to their arguments. (replied with nonsense, but replied)
What's interesting is that it was other guys calling your ideas 'awful", "garbage" rubbish", and stuff like that. I simply disagreed without much comment. I think you might have been too busy writing arguments to everyone to read.
Now, you also mentioned at one point a different idea of having guys locked out of clans until the war ends (I bolded it for you in my earlier quote.) That was the one I called you out on said it was 'not well thought out' and that's the comment you got all excited about. I also in that post gave you the intelligent argument what was wrong with that idea and I was spot on. And you had to face you had not thought that through what you were really suggesting I think. That's why you had to instead resort to crying about feed back that disagreed with you calling it a 'personal vendetta against you'. It was a misdirection because you had no answer to my (nor anyone else's) counters to your ideas.
what were those counters again then?, if i missed them i will address it right now although i dont remember a single one having anything to do with my idea of people being able to complete war attacks outside of the clan they are warring with.Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
You post ideas wayy too often
i only have 200 postsQuote:
Originally Posted by Json8r
4 pages in, and still no one can see any merit in this ludicrous idea. It appears that no one wants it, and no one needs it.
Plainly everyone else thinks that if someone leaves a clan during war, then they have left, and take no further part... Quite obviously how it should be......
Reported this thread, rated it one star, all that jazz. Please close this flame wa--oops, I mean thread.
Sad to see the IFR's state has worsened since I last visited the forums.
you know if people just didnt comment on it it would have gone away ages ago. but haters goina hateQuote:
Originally Posted by mmf01