Extremely unbalanced wars

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March 2nd, 2015
Bowsta

Extremely unbalanced wars

For the second war in a row, we have been matched up against an extremely higher clan. We have 4 TH10s with not a single hero over level 15. Our enemy clan has 7 TH10s three of witch have level 40 Heros and several more have heros in the 30s and 20s. Two of these th10s have completely maxed bases except for a few walls. They have way more th9s then us. And we have two TH7s while they have 0.

I like this update with the clan leveling. But by putting so much emphasis on clan wars to progress your clan, I feel that supercell has a responsibility to give us similar clans to war with.

We have had bad luck with bad match ups in the past but it has never been this extreme. Something needs to be done about this. And I think I have a solution. When all clans que for a war they should be put in a 4 hour queue block. These four hour blocks will hold all clans wanting to start a war for those four hours and then at the end of that time there would be many many more options for clans to matchup together.

Then war preparation could be reduced to 20 hours down from 24 to compensate for the 4 hour war queue.

I feel this would be a decent solution. But please leave feedback both positive and negative but try to be constructive. Comments like "Just No" don't help anything.
March 2nd, 2015
Vimnock

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
March 3rd, 2015
KookyKO

Probably not a bug

Having two clan wars that seemed uneven may not be a bug. Right now it seems you might want to check your Attack strategy options and see what you can do to challenge yourself. Not everything in life is easy, and here is an example. Keep working on your defensive and offensive strategy regardless of the difficulty. Hard work pays off. Maybe you will surprise the clan you are paired up against next time with some amazing new skills. Good luck with future clan war pair ups.
March 3rd, 2015
Bowsta

No our attacks aren't the problem here. Our clan has over 100 wins and most of our members are very strong attackers.

I have seen it both ways. One time our clan was paired up against a much weaker clan. Which was good for us, but it still makes the game unbalanced. I have never complained about it until now. This current war that we are in is totally unbalanced. I wish I could take screen grabs of all the opposing clans bases and then show you ours but I'm not going to do that.

I really don't understand why some people feel strongly that Supercell is infallable and divine in their programming. If that were the case then there would never be any updates and the game would be magically perfect since the day of its inception. The simple fact is that Supercell is a company made up of humans, and humans can make mistakes, or even if there's not a mistake, humans can make changes to make things better.

There is some kind of issue here with the war balancing. Possibly some clans have found some sort of exploit using the war opt out function.

Again I understand that there are always going to be Supercell fanboys that worship the ground the devs walk on. But in the real world there can be issues that arise that if they are recognized can easily be fixed.

Thanks for for the feedback of saying that "You guys should just attack better" but how about feedback of my balancing idea? It seems it would make a much larger pool of clans to choose a better matchup with. And has no downside besides a shorter War Preperation day. Which I personaly feel nobody would be too heartbroken about missing a few hours of war prep in trade for much more balanced wars.
March 3rd, 2015
Turmoil

You mind linking me to the thread where you complained about facing weaker clans?
March 3rd, 2015
KookyKO

In the long run it will balance out

Here is my reply to a similar thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KookyKO

Take this as an opportunity to improve. Embrace the challenge. Chances are that if you are struggling you were unlucky and got matched up with someone slightly harder than you. However, if that is the case then your chances to be the stronger clan would be just as likely. Consider working on your strategizing too. Maybe you need to change your strategy based on their layout. Either way, I wish you good luck on your next clan war.

Here is a link to the thread: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...15#post4016815
March 3rd, 2015
Tchoa

one important rule, if the matchmaking take more than 5 minutes it's
better to cancel and retry, not to wait too long...

Is the matchmaking take long time to find the opponent ??
March 3rd, 2015
Kiamose

Bowsta, yes I like your idea, as 20hrs of prep day is still plenty of time, but, some clans declare very late so wouldn't see there match till the morning and I'm one for filling up our cc in 1st 1/2 hr. that's where my problem would be. I get nervous enough waiting 20 mins to see who we are up against, so 4 hrs would be far to long for me, so maybe 1-2 hrs instead of 4.

I to have recently noticed war match ups are now worse than they've ever been, so often we are outmatched badly, but never had it where we have had the upper hand, but it does make us want the win even more. But a few times it's not worked out for us.

SC needs to sort this out as we've been talking about the match up system since it started, and it seems they've still not approached this.

One last comment, how can they still ghost us to, I thought they were changing that as well.
March 3rd, 2015
keisko

we have also same issue, we've used in-game support to cancel the war (their nr35 is equal to our nr 11 lol), support member just posting read-messages, he don't care about anything.. just writing bla bla bla..

than I sent a few pms to anouska moderator, she don't reply.

I've just sent an e-mail to feedback.clash@.. waiting a reply.

There is something wrong, really wrong.. never happened before till recent update and maintance breaks..

They must cancel those wars instead of send us rare replies.
March 3rd, 2015
TheRealchrism

yes the last 2 wars have been extremely unbalanced since update. the first (35vs35) one enemy was OP, we managed to tie them. Last war(30vs30), we were so OP 20 of the 30 enemy players left before war day started. Even using all their attacks available they only managed to get 9 stars. We have 2 new TH10's (lvl 20 heros's all legos, max th9 def and troops) 14 TH9's and a mix of TH8 & 7 for the rest. We stay in the 30-40 range on wars. The first war the had 8 TH10's - 2 of them with max hero's and defense, 10 of their 17 TH9's were max def and the rest were TH8's. Our attack skill and planning saved us in the first war since update. I do not like ties, but in this case I will take it. Starting 3rd war since update tomorrow, we will see how the matching stacks up.
March 3rd, 2015
TheRealchrism
Quote:
Originally Posted by keisko

we have also same issue, we've used in-game support to cancel the war (their nr35 is equal to our nr 11 lol), support member just posting read-messages, he don't care about anything.. just writing bla bla bla..

They must cancel those wars instead of send us rare replies.

Spell regeration time has been greatly reuced for all spells. MISSED
Spells can be queued SAME AS troops! MISSED
Use upgrading heroes in clan wars. MISSED
Mute members in chat. MISSED
Kick members from clan wars. MISSED <----- didn't miss, who ever starts the war has the ability to force opt in/out for members. pick and choose war participation.
1. Co's and leader when starting war search have the ability to force opt in/out for clan members. basically you can pick and choose who you want to war.
March 3rd, 2015
Pono

This is a recent problem for us as well. The last 3 wars, in 1 we were OP, in two our opponents were completely OP. We have two new th10's and our last enemy had max defenses/troops, they had more th9's with heroes above lv15 while our th9's are new/mid leveled, they had about five more th8's, and while we have four th6's they had th7's as their lowest. Please fix!
March 3rd, 2015
THEBIGCLASH3R

War matchmaking is horrible

I normally don't complain about war matchmaking but it is bad this time. I'm a max TH8 and I was matched with a TH9 with level 2 xbows and he had his archer queen... how in anyway is that equal??
March 3rd, 2015
Pono

I'm nearly maxxed minus only about 80 walls, I've had two th9's low level, in this upcoming war my enemy has his AQ too. I feel like skipping the walls and upgrading already, but wait, that might give us even harder wars lol.
March 3rd, 2015
Rejaul76

I feel and i hard of that if u maxed everything including walls, this might bring enemy on higher th with strong troopd and deffense but low level of walls. Cause walls also count as part of ur strength while war search! Have u noticed if the opponent has low level walls but strong troops and deffense compare to ur low th and strong walls?
March 3rd, 2015
Pono

Yes my current opponent has all purple walls, mostly maxxed th8 defenses with lower levels for the extra wiz/AD, level 1 AQ, both xbows. I feel like its not worth the wait like going from th7-8 was. I might start the upgrade soon and try to grind hard for my walls.
March 3rd, 2015
Bowsta

Something with this last update broke the matchmaking. We just started another war and its our 3 TH10s versus 8 th10s.

Even if we did get matched up against a clan that's much weaker then ours, that's not what I want. I would like a balanced, somewhat even, fair war. Wars should be won by attacking and defending, not decided the second that war is declared because of extremely uneven match ups. I realize that no two clans will ever be completely equal. But they could tighten the matchmaking algorithm a little more then this.

Besides allowing a lot more time for the war finder to give a matchup, does anybody have any other ideas on a possible fix for supercell? They often read these threads and if we were to think of a elegant solution to this problem they may entertain the idea and possibly even impliment it!
March 3rd, 2015
Bowsta

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rejaul76

I feel and i hard of that if u maxed everything including walls, this might bring enemy on higher th with strong troopd and deffense but low level of walls. Cause walls also count as part of ur strength while war search! Have u noticed if the opponent has low level walls but strong troops and deffense compare to ur low th and strong walls?

In the last war, no they didn't have lower level walls. But in this current war we just started where it's our 3 TH10s vs their 8 TH10s they do apper to have lower walls generally speaking. That's a good observation Rejual. Maybe if they remove walls from the matchmaking algorithm altogether it would balance wars based on defenses and hero levels more so then giving higher value to walls.
March 3rd, 2015
Richmuis

Yes I agree somthing is going on we just started a war we have one th 10 and are up against eight th 10s makes no sence and we are on top of cancelling if we don't get matched up within 5 mins. But this seems like a on going problem we will have one even matched and then three were its like what is going on here
March 4th, 2015
keisko

i believe they dont care... I sent email, pm and ingamr mail... I got nothing... We are preparing for a big protest against Supercell.. We pay but they dont answer us... Somethings must change because ingamr support team feel himself like a God.
March 4th, 2015
thegasman

Does anyone know know how matchaking is actually done?
Presumably each clan is given a score, and then matched to another with a similar score.
But what contributes to the score?
Presumably town hall. Walls and heroes have been suggested. What about cannon / mortar/ wizard tower levels etc? What about troop levels?

It could be that upgrading your defenses will simply match you against stronger clans and be counter-productive. Maybe we should keep for example wall levels low, and increase offensive strength only to win wars?
March 4th, 2015
TheRealchrism

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegasman

Does anyone know know how matchaking is actually done?
Presumably each clan is given a score, and then matched to another with a similar score.
But what contributes to the score?
Presumably town hall. Walls and heroes have been suggested. What about cannon / mortar/ wizard tower levels etc? What about troop levels?

It could be that upgrading your defenses will simply match you against stronger clans and be counter-productive. Maybe we should keep for example wall levels low, and increase offensive strength only to win wars?

Just like the formula for Coca-Cola...the match making system metrics is a closely guarded secret known to only a few at SuperCell. They are sworn to secrecy and take a blood oath to never discuss the algorithm with anyone...ever. Discussion of said secret will endure the most extreme penalty. The best you will get is what defense/offense they consider for input. I hope this helps...maybe I have said too much...I think they are watching me.
March 5th, 2015
Pono

Their response to me was that "finding a match at all times for us is a priority", which is funny because searches take so long, we've had a few go up to 30 minutes. 30 minutes to find an opponent with two more TH10's than ours and max troops is kind of off. I think they should prioritize balance because we wait long enough as it is for these unbalanced wars.
March 5th, 2015
Burger101

Its just a conspiracy to ♥♥♥♥ you off and make you gem to catch up. I for one have seen this imbalance in clan wars for way too long(both ways). Worse match up ive seen for us is our 4 th9s vs 3 th 10s and 8 th9s. I dont expect them to fix it and neither should you. Gamemakers today are only concerned with money. Something that needs to be fixed will be addressed in the next version of the game after they have milked every dime from you that they could in this one.
March 5th, 2015
Odinhiem

Non of you have mentioned trophy count, keep an eye on it next time.
But to think that coc will find a similar clan that presses the war search within the same five minutes is kinda unreasonable. I like the idea of giving them time to pair up clans, like an hour.
I hope I'm not being naive, lol, but I would assume that they care about our concerns and want us to keep playing.
good luck guys ;)
March 5th, 2015
Pono

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odinhiem

Non of you have mentioned trophy count, keep an eye on it next time.
But to think that coc will find a similar clan that presses the war search within the same five minutes is kinda unreasonable. I like the idea of giving them time to pair up clans, like an hour.
I hope I'm not being naive, lol, but I would assume that they care about our concerns and want us to keep playing.
good luck guys ;)

I would happily wait more than we usually do to find a more even match. We wait 20-30 minutes, I'll wait an hour or more for balance lol. As for trophies, we beat one clan badly, their trophies were 17k ours was 15k. The one that beat us bad had 14k to our 15k. Maybe player levels have a play in it too idk... I added ours vs theirs in the last war, it was roughly 2200 them 2100 us.

Make us wait longer Supercell, time is not a priority, balance is.
March 5th, 2015
peke86

Whait no more than 10 min for balanced war
March 16th, 2015
dragonlo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odinhiem

Non of you have mentioned trophy count, keep an eye on it next time.
But to think that coc will find a similar clan that presses the war search within the same five minutes is kinda unreasonable. I like the idea of giving them time to pair up clans, like an hour.
I hope I'm not being naive, lol, but I would assume that they care about our concerns and want us to keep playing.
good luck guys ;)

We just tried this one to finally put the myth to rest we dumped trophs down to and it does lower the clans "total points" we got ours to 4548 b4 we hit match, (norm around 8-9k) the clan we got paired with has over 10000 "total points"(n based on their all 10 maxd to TH def and th8+s n some bases n such they was prob rightfully a 30k total point clan that dropped also!?seems to be a habbit lot of clans do another reason we thought it worth to test!?) they just finished 3 starrin our entired clan in only 12 atks in a 10v 10 war means they have 8 they didn't even use and this is not for lack of effort or lvls on our part just completely totally bogus match ups, so dumpin trophs if anything only made our offset of mismatch even worse AGAINST our favor IF it did anything at all...but most ppl have been havin major issues even more so than b4 since this past most recent update/maint so....!?!? just to put that to rest troph changes the alleged "total points" that are said to be used to match clans but yet they don't effect the outcome any..we was certain that ppl was over dumpin tophs n milkin the system in some manner which is why we decided test this theory...this is not how they are doing it but there is obviously some ppl who got that secret match makers formula and are putting the info to baduse!!! someone has been workin the system and it's becoming rather rampant so they either need to fix this ♥♥♥♥ or tell us all how it's done so everyone can be on equal standings....predetermined winners is a NO GO for a fun war game!!!! Your killin the fun of this game n pissing ppl offf better get on it or don't seems they don't care anyways..!?!?

also to go along with that pretty much also since the update it seems almost every member in our clan when we atk in wars our troops play ring around the rosey with the TH and all but completely ignore it like it's not even there...but yet when they enemies attack us they B-line to our TH then spraed out like a good war party used to do when directed properly...we do know a lil bit bout attacking n stuff lol this is somthing new goin on and not all "player error" something is goin on with coc ,h earing all these ♥♥♥♥s n ghost atckers n ♥♥♥♥ so what's really happening!?

Eventually you get tired of being ♥♥♥♥♥ed n start to look for answers...too bad no ones got em here