Compulsory mines and collectors upgrading for better Economical Balancing

Inactive bases are not so much removed, but sinking, like a ship taking on water. With each raid, they usually lose trophies, either a little, from people getting 50%+ and being much higher in cups than the base, or a large amount, from people much lower and raiding it for 100% damage. Rarely do they gain trophies, and keep them afloat longer, but eventually they will sink to the sub 200 cup level, and become sunken treasures for people willing to dive down to get it.

Reason why you don't see many in higher Leagues is because they don't have far to fall to drop out of sight from that range, and sink through the ranks past the other Leagues, until they hit buttom, or get removed by SC.

I can actually see why SC has an interest in removing such bases, since abandoned bases are just 'sugar rush' rewards; getting huge rewards for minimal effort in raiding, all because you are willing to hit the [Next] button often enough to find it. It is poisonous to gameplay as people get used to such rewards, while getting bored with using the simple tactics to get the reward, then either complain about not finding enough loot when those bases with 'low hanging fruit' are gone, or complain about the game being boring. The complaint about it being boring is both true and false, since you can always use more interesting armies to bust into different bases, but the incentive to do that is lacking.

And yes, as you can tell in my signature, I don't run very complex army builds, and I do loot farm. To put it in context of a real life problem, 'just because I'm a smoker too, it doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite for complaining about people smoking. It is just hard to quit.' (I don't smoke, but the concept is the same. I wish I ran more advanced stuff, but I don't)

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Originally Posted by jamius19

I'd not say that's a pretty cool Idea!
Even if u have maxed gold mines at a production rate of 3500 per hour, with 7 mines you'll get only 7x3500=24,500 per hour....
and in 2 hours it is only 49,000 of per resources!

As for my technique, counting a raid in 2 hours will get me 100k of each resources!
Which is far better! :-)

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Sure, you can raid faster than resources collect. Heck, a decent farmer could farm far faster than collectors could collect while boosted.

That's not the point. No one farms 24 hours a day (except bots). How much you farm per hour is irrelevant. How much do you farm per day?

A TH8 with maxed resource collectors will get about half a million per day. It's easy to farm more than that in an hour. But for a casual farmer, or someone who's juggling multiple accounts, that 500k per day really helps out. If someone is juggling 3 accounts, that's 1.5M in "free" resources that they didn't have to farm.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Sure, you can raid faster than resources collect. Heck, a decent farmer could farm far faster than collectors could collect while boosted.

That's not the point. No one farms 24 hours a day (except bots). How much you farm per hour is irrelevant. How much do you farm per day?

A TH8 with maxed resource collectors will get about half a million per day. It's easy to farm more than that in an hour. But for a casual farmer, or someone who's juggling multiple accounts, that 500k per day really helps out. If someone is juggling 3 accounts, that's 1.5M in "free" resources that they didn't have to farm.

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Someone that actually posts a good counter point. I do have to point out that 'casual' is a little subjective, since even though I could easily be labeled as a non-casual player, with how active I am, I have said I 'casually' raid while watching TV and whatnot. Anyway, wanted to point that out, but all-in-all, there is more or less a standard 'feel' of what 'casual' means in regards to gaming.

That said, having a passive income for when you are not one of the people that sits down and does a raiding binge can be helpful. Unfortunately I have a hard time picturing how it would still be very helpful, given how a person can still get raided, and lose a good chunk of that passively earned income. If trying to save it in storage, there is a real chance of just breaking even, as your income just keeps your storages up to a set level, as raiders pulls a percentage of that out of your base. Even with a farming base, it only delays the inevitable, as it just makes your base more stuffed with loot, grabbing the attention of someone passing by with a good enough army to take an even larger chunk of loot from you at a time, but with less frequency since one Town Hall snipe will save your loot for awhile.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Someone that actually posts a good counter point. I do have to point out that 'casual' is a little subjective, since even though I could easily be labeled as a non-casual player, with how active I am, I have said I 'casually' raid while watching TV and whatnot. Anyway, wanted to point that out, but all-in-all, there is more or less a standard 'feel' of what 'casual' means in regards to gaming.

That said, having a passive income for when you are not one of the people that sits down and does a raiding binge can be helpful. Unfortunately I have a hard time picturing how it would still be very helpful, given how a person can still get raided, and lose a good chunk of that passively earned income. If trying to save it in storage, there is a real chance of just breaking even, as your income just keeps your storages up to a set level, as raiders pulls a percentage of that out of your base. Even with a farming base, it only delays the inevitable, as it just makes your base more stuffed with loot, grabbing the attention of someone passing by with a good enough army to take an even larger chunk of loot from you at a time, but with less frequency since one Town Hall snipe will save your loot for awhile.

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True about the passive income. Assuming you don't have time to farm for several days, but you do have time to log in before shields expire and collect your resources, you can still maintain a decent baseline of loot.

For example, I'm a TH8. My collectors are not maxed. I have a mix of level 10/11 gold mines, a mix of 9/10 elixir collectors. It's good for about 400k gold, 340k elixir per day (rough numbers). This is out of a possible 504k per day from maxed collectors.

My base layout isn't awesome, but it's not ♥♥♥♥ either. Assuming I even have enough resources to invite a full raid (rather than a TH snipe), I'll either lose 90% of 14% to a TH9, or about 50% of 14% to a TH8 (assuming the TH9 gets all my loot, while the TH8 only gets half).

Worst case scenario, I somehow lose the full 14% (to a TH8). But on the average, when I'm maxed on storages, I'll tend to lose about 11-12% from full raids.

So, 400k per day, 200k every 12 hours. Assuming I lose 200k per raid, that's about 12% of 1.7M gold. That is, I should be able to maintain almost 1.7M gold just from my gold mines replacing what I lose in raids. This is assuming 12 hour shields. 16 hours would be even better, assuming I lose the full 14% in a 3-star raid. Since my elixir collectors are a level lower on average, I'd be able to maintain 1.4M elixir.

With maxed collectors, I'd be able to maintain about 2M of each.

Note, this is a baseline. If I'm below this, I will slowly inch my way up to this baseline level. If I'm above it, I'll slowly decay down to it. And once I'm ready for a session raid, it's my approximate starting point. Take several days off (while still collecting resources actively), and I'll already have half the gold I need for a level 6 wizard tower, or half the elixir I need for a lab research.

I would say that instead of making you upgrade they should make upgrade time a bit smaller and make you get more from the pumps/mines. And you don't have to pay as much. That would make more people upgrade because it takes less time, and you get more from them, and it costs less to upgrade. That way we wouldn't have TH 6 with all lv 5 mines/pumps.

First off, to the notion of requiring collectors to be XXX level before you can upgrade your TH I declare shenanigans. TH rushing while usually foolish can be done to great effect for a couple of reasons. I also don't like the notion of requiring certain buildings to be upgraded a certain amount before you can upgrade other unrelated structures in general. Moving on . . .

I have three accounts of my own and my wife recently-ish started one that I have had a great deal of influence in the growth of. Each one learned from the mistakes of the previous. My first is now TH9 with nearly maxed defenses and walls that need quite a bit of attention (mix of pink and purple). All collectors and elixir buildings are maxed along with most troops. I won't be upgrading to TH10 until something is done with the loot structure. I kept my collectors maxed as I progressed this account which I now consider folly.

The second account I created 100% to be able to donate to our newly formed clan. I rushed it to TH8 as fast as possible and used it ONLY to manufacture dragons for donation. For this purpose I maxed out the collectors as fast as possible so I would not have to farm on two accounts. For it's purpose this base worked VERY will. As time went on it is now a 100% maxed TH8 as far as structures go. There are a couple of troop upgrades left to do and I am just starting on skulls with a lvl8 king. I do not suggest this strategy to anybody but it served it's purpose. I won't upgrade this one to TH9 until all troop upgrades are finished.

The third was a sort of "lessons learned" experiment. I did not upgrade any collectors unless I had a lazy builder and some extra loot before bed. I raided and upgraded as feverishly as I could maxing everything including walls (not unused troops) as fast as possible. A sort of race through maxed villages using raided loot only. I considered the experiment over when I got to TH8 and now play that account only passively. Since it is now passive play all of the collectors are now maxed out simply because they were the cheapest ones to keep builders busy. This is my suggestion to all new players and it is working very well for my wife's first village.

In short, TH1-6 are a race and TH7 is the finish line. Collectors only slow down your progression if you play actively. At least until TH8 they are. They only serve to tie up builders who can be working on more important defenses and army buildings. Once at TH8 I was not able to farm enough loot in a single sitting to start my next upgrade the collectors became easy fodder to keep buildings busy and their production potential was finally high enough to make a difference. I have what may have been the fastest rushed TH8 ever now maxed out with collector loot, war winnings and an occasional farming run when there was NOTHING else more productive to do in life or the various games I play. That base alone is proof that maxed collectors are worth the time/effort at TH8. TH7 and below that I have a lot of experience that tells me collectors are a waste of time. YMMV.

Like I said earlier if Supercell made collectors less expensive to upgrade and so you got more loot from them per hour, and made the upgrade time less then more people would upgrade them, instead of just going down by trophie level and raiding people for the extra loot because they are higher up.

here are the reasons why and upgrade like this would be really helpful -

- More people would upgrade their collectors.
- Players wouldn't drop Trophies to get extra loot from lower TH Levels.
- Players would attack less and upgrade more.

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Originally Posted by NF2335

I agree that there should be more incentive to upgrade collectors/mines.

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1) More loot while I'm idle. What's not to love?

2) Less likely for attackers to bust into my storages. Those are where my reserves are. If they steal that then I'm actually losing loot. Loot in my collectors doesn't count towards my total, so if they steal that, then I don't actually lose anything. Its like the difference between someone stealing a check made out to me that I haven't deposited, or backing my bank account and stealing directly from my savings.

3) They look so cool.

So you can say there are not enough incentives, but for me those are plenty, and I'm sure for most players it is also incentive.

Cheapest bandaid solution is still the achievement rewards for getting all of your resources leveled up to a set level. Just two sets, one for gold and one for Elixir, set it up for like lvl 8, lvl 10, and lvl12 for each star level, slap on 20-50 gems for rewards or something that'll lure players to upgrade, and you're likely set.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Cheapest bandaid solution is still the achievement rewards for getting all of your resources leveled up to a set level. Just two sets, one for gold and one for Elixir, set it up for like lvl 8, lvl 10, and lvl12 for each star level, slap on 20-50 gems for rewards or something that'll lure players to upgrade, and you're likely set.

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I like the idea. And I think 8, 10, and 12 are good end points. They're the first levels that require a full day or more to upgrade. I'd say 5/10/20 gems. It's not a ton, but 5/10/20 is similar to what you get for GG and EE achievements, I think, and 100 million takes a long time if you're only farming 1-2M per day. (And longer if you farm less, obviously...).

And if they had one achievement for mines and another for pumps, that'd be 40 gems available at TH8 for spending the 60 days of total builder time to upgrade level 11 to level 12. If you consider the cost the total build time to go from level 10 to level 12, that's 108 days of builder time. 40 gems is a pretty small incentive to lock up your builders for 108 days, I'll admit. But I figure Supercell would balk at offering 50 gems each, total of 100 gems. Guess it wouldn't hurt to ask? I mean, they give away 450 for getting to 1250 trophies. They give 50 gems for destroying a single X-Bow, something I did as a TH5. (It was outside base, under construction.)