Dragons are insanely overpowered

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Originally Posted by Garithos

In TH7,they are OP.In TH8,you still have a chance.As a TH8 my only chance is that I have max level wizards in my war cc and hope that the enemy player will drop all of his drags in one spot so that the wizards can make short work on them.Otherwise,I am 3 starred.

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Hehe, I "lost" my first dragon raid yesterday due to those pesky wizards. My TH7 with level 1 dragons was attacking a TH8. I had it all planned out.

First, Triple lightning the AD deep in the core of the base.

Next, I needed to take out the AD at the top of the base. I dropped the first dragon to take out a barracks, out of range of the AD, but needed to make sure it didn't affect pathing later. I knew the dragon would path to a builder hut in range of the AD. As soon as the AD fired the first rocket, I dropped the second dragon to make sure I could take out the CC troops. CC was behind the AD. Then I dropped my CC full of level 5 balloons to take out the AD. Queue the CC deployment music.

In my mind, that AD was as good as gone, so I moved on to my next target, the AD on the right side of the base, reasonably well protected behind storages and defenses. So dragons were going to get stuck on storages, and balloons were going to get stuck on a wizard tower. Nasty spot.

I sent in 2 dragons to tank the AD. Sent in a scattering of balloons to approach the wizard tower from multiple directions, so they wouldn't get taken out by splash damage. Hmm, that's odd, 1 dragon is already dead. And where are my balloons? Send in another dragon and more balloons... Hmm, they're still dying pretty fast, what's going on? Holy ♥♥♥♥, why is the AD at the top still alive??? That thing was as good as gone?? Wait, are those wizards running around down there? ♥♥♥???

Yeah, I managed to salvage the raid for 1 star, so it wasn't a total loss. But it's the first time I haven't gotten at least 2 stars from my TH7 against a TH8 in a war attack.

In the replay, it was painfully obvious what happened. I had two dragons in play, tanking the AD, but neither was close enough to spring the CC. So the balloons sprang the CC, 5 wizards popped out, took out the balloons in one shot. The AD never hit the balloons, it was still shooting at the dragon. The wizards took out both dragons pretty quickly, 2 or 3 of them survived, as well as the AD, and I was zoomed in far enough that I didn't see any of this during the attack.

Lesson learned, pay more attention to the CC. You can predict the action of defenses, and you can even mentally account for a seeking air mine. But wizards are hit or miss. My dragons usually toast them in 1 or 2 shots. But I forget how fragile balloons can be.

Wouldn't have been an issue at TH7, because I wouldn't have had to divide my attention between two different AD's. TH7 can't survive a dragon attack.

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Originally Posted by elpresidente47

Cause you're playing against noobs. Back at th8 in 8 weeks I got 96 war stars. We had war 2 times a week. 10 dragons + 5 hogs/5loons.

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Yeah we had a few wars and I really mean A FEW wars when the opposite clan was bad. But most of the time we fight either good and coordinated clans or hardcore clans. If you are getting wasted all the time with full dragon attack at TH8 perhaps its time to change your war base.

Dragons are only used from th7 to an early th8 with no maxed ad. Once you get good air ad, (e.g. lvl 6) dragons are useless. Try going to th8. ;)

They are also extremely expensive!!!! 20000 elixer for lvl 1 right? 20000 x 10 = 200000 elixer.

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Originally Posted by mrkw

Dragons are only used from th7 to an early th8 with no maxed ad. Once you get good air ad, (e.g. lvl 6) dragons are useless. Try going to th8. ;)

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You can still 3 star easily even if the opponent have 3 level 6 A.D. Depends on the base. Some are harder some are easier. If at TH 7 all you got to do is lighten up 1 A.D. and then randomly throw your drags and watch at TH 8 some skills are needed. Just my thoughts tho.

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

Let me just sum up everyone's thoughts.
1. Go to townhall 8 and stop complaining
2. THIS IS THE IFR NOT LETS COMPLAIN FORUMS
3. Only over powered because you clearly lost a war so stop.
4. Try drags at townhall 9. Let me know how it goes.

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1. This response isn't really an answer to a problem with a clearly OP troop. It's an excuse to ignore any game imbalance below TH10. You can just snidely reply to someone that they should upgrade their TH.

The problem with dragons isn't that they're OP: as people point out, a solid TH8 with upgraded defenses can prevent 3 stars from dragons. A TH9 can probably prevent 2 stars most of the time. A TH10 probably just laughs when he watches a replay of dragons attacking his base. So the problem isn't that dragons are OP. The problem is that they aren't properly balanced.

Balloons get a 50% bump in DPS for every level up from 2 to 6. Health increases are almost as big (about 40% for the last two upgrades). Balloons go from so-so at level 3 to one of the best units in the game at TH10.

Dragons do the opposite. They get a tiny bump in DPS and health with each level. They go from insanely overpowered at TH7 (odd, that's the title of this thread ;) ) to very underpowered at TH10.

To say that dragons at TH7 aren't "insanely overpowered" is either willful ignorance, or callous disregard. ("Why don't you just upgrade to TH8?" is a typical response.)

So rather than "nerfing dragons" in general, we need to be rebalancing their stats across the 4 existing levels. Reduce the DPS at level 1 by at least 10, if not 20. Keep level 3 where it is. Buff level 4 a little. I could care less if we nerf level 2. It's not like the stats have to be in an arithmetic progression, like they are now. Have a big jump from level 1 to level 2, then a small jump to level 3, doesn't matter to me.

Edit: Haha, got a little long-winded on my rant, forgot points 2, 3, and 4.

2. Agreed, but some people assume that a complaint automatically implies a suggestion to fix something.

3. I haven't lost a war to dragons, and in fact I exploit them heavily to my advantage in wars. Our strongest player (mid-TH8) runs a BK, pekkas, level 5 giants, level 5 wizards, etc., and he typically gets 1-2 stars against TH8's. I'm have two accounts, early TH8 and mid-TH7. With dragons and balloons, I typically 3-star most TH8's, with the occasional 2-star. Got my first 1-star yesterday. I have weaker troops and my raids require less planning and execution skill, but I get better results. Yet I want to nerf dragons too. So it's not just the people on the losing end of dragon battles that want to nerf them.

4. Hahahaha... But no. Edit: Actually, I did use dragons against a TH9 before, but he had a bad layout, rushed base with level 2-4 AD's, etc., so I still managed 3 stars (barely).

Reply to above, specifically about buffing level 4 dragons. Maybe they need a little buff, but I for sure don't want th10 to be filled with mass dragons attacks every attack with no skill involved at all. Dragons are the troops for th7/8 and I'm fine with them staying out of the other levels. I'd rather them be spammed and OP for 1 town hall level rather than 4. Just my 2 cents

This could easily be balanced, just make the 5th archer tower avaiable at townhall 7 and maybe upgrade level 9


1 Archer tower is weak against dragons, but 3 archer towers make the same damage as an aerial defense.

Yesterday i only got 2 stars and 69% from a level 8 townhall, i was capable to destroy 2 ad (1 outside 1 in the main base) with my hog riders+ 2 healing spells. the last ad in the center was killed by dragons with rage spell.

2 seeking air mines and the level 10 archer towers than killed my 8 dragons.

They are not overpowered. We need level 5! And fast.

Well maybe try to position you air defense better next time ..... Just a bit of advice and a bit of leveling would help