limited dragon use in clan wars.

My clan always loses wars. Why? We don't suck. We just refuse to use 10 dragons to attack a war base. It's not economical or competitive. I know it's not what you had in mind when you created wars. " hey, let's create a contest to see who can 'drag bomb 'who first." I truly hope that conversation never took place. Add a new algorithm to limit dragon use in clan war attacks. 3-4 per attack would be a max number I think. Wars have become a contest to see who can drag bomb who the fastest. Those of us who can use strategy in a game based on strategy are punished by this flaw. A flaw that can be fixed. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Drags have been nerfed already. Unfortunately for people like us who find it boring/uneconomical/non-sporting/etc. to train 20+ drags and 6-8 rage spells and see who can find the best corner to tap (oh but they dropped a few at first to knock out two or three ancillary structures so the others would move further into the base before fanning out in a circle...what a scholar) we will continue to deal with this until we get to the level where semi-thoughtless drag attacks are obsolete. My clan is currently losing to a How To Train Your Dragon clan as well. I refuse to take part in fighting with all drag armies and also refuse to believe that there was any difference besides total luck between the first L3 "drag bomb" (as you call it) that yielded the attacker only one star and the second one that yielded 3....I suppose I will admit that one can get (some version of) "good" at finding the right dumping point and making a trail of rage spells...but almost seems like getting "good" at killing all the chickens in a coop with a grenade...congrats? Don't think troop limits will ever be imposed.

See the thread right next to yours from a guy wanting stronger dragons. Everybody has an opinion it seems.

If you want to defend better against drags, upgrade your Air Defenses and Archer Towers. Simple.

As a clan, we go all out to win wars, regardless of the cost. We swap between around 6-8mof us who make about 2 million in losses each war.

In wars, we are willing to pay anything to win, and that includes all dragon IF the air d's are not upgraded.

But, if you design your base right, and keep defences up to scratch, it is relatively easy to hold all dragon attacks to one or two stars. My current war base is completely anti-drag, and hence rarely 3 starred by them.

my clan designed our bases to counter dragons and we changed our attack style. We are about to win our 63rd war with a clean sweep of 3 stars on every enemy base. The enemy is having trouble getting 2 stars on ours with mass dragons. Dragons are fine the way they are.

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Originally Posted by uncageoffy

My clan always loses wars. Why? We don't suck. We just refuse to use 10 dragons to attack a war base. It's not economical or competitive. I know it's not what you had in mind when you created wars. " hey, let's create a contest to see who can 'drag bomb 'who first." I truly hope that conversation never took place. Add a new algorithm to limit dragon use in clan war attacks. 3-4 per attack would be a max number I think. Wars have become a contest to see who can drag bomb who the fastest. Those of us who can use strategy in a game based on strategy are punished by this flaw. A flaw that can be fixed. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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Umm, you dont need to use dragons in war. There is GoWiPe, GoWiWi, GoWiWiPe, Lavaloonion, Barch (which is suprisingly effective sometimes), and many more strategies. Why limit a troop that is supposed to be awesome? Its like saying, "Hey, lets limit the number of barbarians to 40 per attack."

Just upgrade air defenses..Makes it extremely hard to win...

Not only do I agree with op but cw should only allow wallbreakers to attack.

/sarcasm off

Dragons become ineffective the moment you start attacking TH9s. You're going to have a very, very hard time getting a three starr with dragons when someone has four level 7 Air Defences (read: almost impossible unless the base is a terrible design).

Absolutely do not support any restriction like this. Use what you got or don't war. Just be content with farming for resources. I don't look at war as the best way to gaing loot. It's the competitive part of the game.

I got 3 star by dragons and I'm to cheap to dragon them back waaaaaaaaaa cry! Its so hard to read fresh spawn comments

If you are in CW's for the LOOT no wonder you aren't winning. The setup for CW's is based upon a team effort to crush an opponent! You you want resources, just play farmville. Let's say you don't use drags, but Gowiwi... Then are you upset about the dark E cost? Lastly... If your entire clan (TH8s included) are getting slapped around by drags, you have a clan issue to deal with. Quite easy to defend drags with a good layout and upgraded air def/tesla/arch towers.

I was attacked three times two wars ago. One with mass level 4, mass level 3 and another mass level 3. You know how many stars they got? 1. TH9 and i had xbows and skellies both set to ground!

I drag 24/7 cause I'm lazy. Sorry to those destroy but seriously I'm a th lvl 8 (almost 9) and I'm sorry to say it but there isn't a base I haven't at least 2 stared and yes these are lvl 9 and 10 bases. But seriously it's heavy cost for heavy gain or gold. Also my base has never been 3* only every 1 and that's from drags, hogs and gowipe. So sorry but leave the game as it is.

Ps drags only go for low lvl air defence people even if they have infernos and x-bows.

Go game of thrones raid.

this is one of the most ridiculous statements ever. i dont like getting attacked by maxed out golems. can we limit attacks so that you can only use 1 golem in war. that would make me happy and a million ppl that attack with golems mad. thats fair right?
upgrade ur air defenses and stop whining.

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

I was attacked three times two wars ago. One with mass level 4, mass level 3 and another mass level 3. You know how many stars they got? 1. TH9 and i had xbows and skellies both set to ground!

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I'm with Axion. Mass dragon raids are fun to watch, because the usually end in a defensive win for me. If you're losing to mass dragon raids- change your base. Dragons are slow and clumsy, limiting them is entirely unnecessary.

Honestly the number of ppl coming on the forums whining about losing a defence to drags is getting annoying, SC fixed this issue at the higher lvls, if ur a th8 or th7, deal with it! That person wasted way more elixir than they got, it's ok, if ur losing clan wars because of that, y not use the same stragety, since when did this game get ethical? Ur stealing loot from other players, destroying their property, and all of a sudden there is some sort of ethics invovled? Or even hard work? It's a game, everthing is earned, whether u put little effort or a lot of effort.
Also, putting a restraint on the number of drags that can be used is unfair, and way to complicated. It's hard to accomplish, and no algorithm will help accomplish the task, each person's account is different, putting a restraint on a select few is hard to do. Idk where u got this idea from but it is bad. If u want to nerf drags at lower lvls, think of something better and easier.

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Originally Posted by uncageoffy

My clan always loses wars. Why? We don't suck. We just refuse to use 10 dragons to attack a war base. It's not economical or competitive. I know it's not what you had in mind when you created wars. " hey, let's create a contest to see who can 'drag bomb 'who first." I truly hope that conversation never took place. Add a new algorithm to limit dragon use in clan war attacks. 3-4 per attack would be a max number I think. Wars have become a contest to see who can drag bomb who the fastest. Those of us who can use strategy in a game based on strategy are punished by this flaw. A flaw that can be fixed. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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Whoever uses all dragons is not going to get a good return on that with clan war, it is their choice, better to use loons and get loot back, or barch and just get one star and 200k, wars are not a money spinner, it is just fun, many times you lose out but it tests your skills against tough bases for no penalty. If they wanna use drags then that is their choice, you can't put a limit on it that's just sour grapes on your part.

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Originally Posted by uncageoffy

My clan always loses wars. Why? We don't suck. We just refuse to use 10 dragons to attack a war base. It's not economical or competitive. I know it's not what you had in mind when you created wars. " hey, let's create a contest to see who can 'drag bomb 'who first." I truly hope that conversation never took place. Add a new algorithm to limit dragon use in clan war attacks. 3-4 per attack would be a max number I think. Wars have become a contest to see who can drag bomb who the fastest. Those of us who can use strategy in a game based on strategy are punished by this flaw. A flaw that can be fixed. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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Your bases obviously aren't upgraded or laid out very well. I haven't been 3 starred by dragons since my second week at TH8. Each war the damage % went down as I got AD's, archer towers, teslas ,and wizard towers upgraded. The last 3 wars I haven't even seen a full on dragon attack because my air def is tough. It does seem that TH8 is the lvl everyone uses dragons the most, but the AI pathing is unreliable and they nerfed their damage already. Troop limits already exist in the form of camps, anything else will kill the game. Because if you limit one troop you have to limit them all. My advise is to quit rushing your base, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade(and I don't mean your TH), and research some good layouts. My clan sees tons of dragon attacks too but we don't lose much because we all have strong bases to deal with them.

Honestly, drags are pretty much rendered useless at TH 9+ against other armies like Balloonian, etc.

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Originally Posted by jobro

Umm, you dont need to use dragons in war. There is GoWiPe, GoWiWi, GoWiWiPe, Lavaloonion, Barch (which is suprisingly effective sometimes), and many more strategies. Why limit a troop that is supposed to be awesome? Its like saying, "Hey, lets limit the number of barbarians to 40 per attack."

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Barch is correct. I have picked off a war base for a star that I never would of gotten because he had spaced out too much


Complainijg about an attack method are we? Do you wanam complain about lavaloonion too?

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

Barch is correct. I have picked off a war base for a star that I never would of gotten because he had spaced out too much


Complainijg about an attack method are we? Do you wanam complain about lavaloonion too?

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Not yet.. He is probably still th7/8.. He'll do so once he gets to th9 in some months. Unless he left ad at level 1-2.. He might still have to keep seeing more drags and complain about it.

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Originally Posted by conradlovejoy

Drags have been nerfed already. Unfortunately for people like us who find it boring/uneconomical/non-sporting/etc. to train 20+ drags and 6-8 rage spells and see who can find the best corner to tap (oh but they dropped a few at first to knock out two or three ancillary structures so the others would move further into the base before fanning out in a circle...what a scholar) we will continue to deal with this until we get to the level where semi-thoughtless drag attacks are obsolete. My clan is currently losing to a How To Train Your Dragon clan as well. I refuse to take part in fighting with all drag armies and also refuse to believe that there was any difference besides total luck between the first L3 "drag bomb" (as you call it) that yielded the attacker only one star and the second one that yielded 3....I suppose I will admit that one can get (some version of) "good" at finding the right dumping point and making a trail of rage spells...but almost seems like getting "good" at killing all the chickens in a coop with a grenade...congrats? Don't think troop limits will ever be imposed.

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Since when is there 400 camp space? The max amount of drags is 12 which is 240 space

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Originally Posted by firestar123

Since when is there 400 camp space? The max amount of drags is 12 which is 240 space

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he meant for both war attacks 10 dragon in each attack and 3-4 spells

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Originally Posted by uncageoffy

My clan always loses wars. Why? We don't suck. We just refuse to use 10 dragons to attack a war base. It's not economical or competitive. I know it's not what you had in mind when you created wars. " hey, let's create a contest to see who can 'drag bomb 'who first." I truly hope that conversation never took place. Add a new algorithm to limit dragon use in clan war attacks. 3-4 per attack would be a max number I think. Wars have become a contest to see who can drag bomb who the fastest. Those of us who can use strategy in a game based on strategy are punished by this flaw. A flaw that can be fixed. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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Originally Posted by conradlovejoy

Drags have been nerfed already. Unfortunately for people like us who find it boring/uneconomical/non-sporting/etc. to train 20+ drags and 6-8 rage spells and see who can find the best corner to tap (oh but they dropped a few at first to knock out two or three ancillary structures so the others would move further into the base before fanning out in a circle...what a scholar) we will continue to deal with this until we get to the level where semi-thoughtless drag attacks are obsolete. My clan is currently losing to a How To Train Your Dragon clan as well. I refuse to take part in fighting with all drag armies and also refuse to believe that there was any difference besides total luck between the first L3 "drag bomb" (as you call it) that yielded the attacker only one star and the second one that yielded 3....I suppose I will admit that one can get (some version of) "good" at finding the right dumping point and making a trail of rage spells...but almost seems like getting "good" at killing all the chickens in a coop with a grenade...congrats? Don't think troop limits will ever be imposed.

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Hmm, I thought I'd already posted in this thread, but couldn't find it...

Anyway, to the first two posts in this thread, all I can say is, you're doing a lot of whining, and not very much thinking.

Is it economical to build 10 dragons + 3 spells? I'll assume you're TH7-TH8, so the cost is going to be somewhere between 250k and 360k for dragons, and between 54k and 99k for spells, depending on levels and spell choices. And this is assuming that you get your 11th dragon in the clan castle for free.

For starters, forget the math. Blah blah, somewhere between 304k and 459k elixir, and typical war loot in the range of 200k-400k gold/elixir and between 300 and 1200 DE. So you'll tend to lose a little elixir, but the gain in gold and DE can be substantial. Unless you really need elixir for an upgrade/research, I'd say you come out ahead.

But you're not being creative enough. What's the #1 weakness of dragons? The Air Defense. I would put the seeking air mine at a close #2, but there's not a whole lot you can do about SAM's. However, you can do something about AD's.

Bring balloons. They're cheaper, and they target defenses. Use dragons as a meat shield, kinda like a cheap lava hound. Plus, running dragons and balloons, you can take consolation knowing that you're not just another mass dragon noob. Rather than "find the best corner to tap", try scouting the base and carefully planning your drops. Once the battle is raging, good plans can fall apart. But you can usually accurately predict the first 10-20 seconds of the battle, as far as what the first 2-3 buildings are that will be destroyed by each dragon, when the AD will lock on, and where to drop your balloons to target the AD. Plus, if you're trying to be economical, 3x lightning spells is cheaper than 3x rage, and easier to use.

For TH7 opponents, never run more than 8 dragons. Honestly, you should aim for 5-7 dragons, and the rest balloons. Don't bother luring the clan castle. That's what the extra dragons are for. If the base layout is really bad, you might only need 2-4 dragons, the rest balloons, maybe a sprinkling of minions for extra DPS.

For TH8, my last half dozen raids have been between 6 and 8 dragons, with the rest balloons. I don't use minions. Balloons in the CC.

TL;DR - You don't have to run all dragons to win wars at TH7-TH8. It's both cheaper and IMHO more effective to use some balloons as well. And you can say with a straight face that you don't use all dragons.

U need skills too to 3 star a base with dragons.

A maxed out th8 base doesn't always get 3 starred.. Depends on layout and attack strategies.

Th9 and 10s.are even more difficult to 3 star with dragons with extra defenses.

If your clan looses to dragons, so what,? You guys have the same opportunities too. You can also use dragons with skill and 3 star your opponents. Lol

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Originally Posted by uncageoffy

My clan always loses wars. Why?

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Perhaps you need better base designs?
Perhaps you should update your defences?
Perhaps your own attacks need work?

... that's probably enough to get you started.

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Originally Posted by Jxg

Dragons become ineffective the moment you start attacking TH9s. You're going to have a very, very hard time getting a three starr with dragons when someone has four level 7 Air Defences (read: almost impossible unless the base is a terrible design).

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That's right, 3 or 4 high level Air Defences in the centre, spaced so that they are just within range of each other, defeats all dragon assaults, helped by spacing out the outer building, and not putting archer towers too far out.

If you've just had max level dragons and four rage spells overcome your well laid out TH8 base, well you've just had a high level enemy clan member go low to get you, which means in terms of clan war strategy, you won that battle.

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Hmm, I thought I'd already posted in this thread, but couldn't find it...

Anyway, to the first two posts in this thread, all I can say is, you're doing a lot of whining, and not very much thinking.

Is it economical to build 10 dragons + 3 spells? I'll assume you're TH7-TH8, so the cost is going to be somewhere between 250k and 360k for dragons, and between 54k and 99k for spells, depending on levels and spell choices. And this is assuming that you get your 11th dragon in the clan castle for free.

For starters, forget the math. Blah blah, somewhere between 304k and 459k elixir, and typical war loot in the range of 200k-400k gold/elixir and between 300 and 1200 DE. So you'll tend to lose a little elixir, but the gain in gold and DE can be substantial. Unless you really need elixir for an upgrade/research, I'd say you come out ahead.

But you're not being creative enough. What's the #1 weakness of dragons? The Air Defense. I would put the seeking air mine at a close #2, but there's not a whole lot you can do about SAM's. However, you can do something about AD's.

Bring balloons. They're cheaper, and they target defenses. Use dragons as a meat shield, kinda like a cheap lava hound. Plus, running dragons and balloons, you can take consolation knowing that you're not just another mass dragon noob. Rather than "find the best corner to tap", try scouting the base and carefully planning your drops. Once the battle is raging, good plans can fall apart. But you can usually accurately predict the first 10-20 seconds of the battle, as far as what the first 2-3 buildings are that will be destroyed by each dragon, when the AD will lock on, and where to drop your balloons to target the AD. Plus, if you're trying to be economical, 3x lightning spells is cheaper than 3x rage, and easier to use.

For TH7 opponents, never run more than 8 dragons. Honestly, you should aim for 5-7 dragons, and the rest balloons. Don't bother luring the clan castle. That's what the extra dragons are for. If the base layout is really bad, you might only need 2-4 dragons, the rest balloons, maybe a sprinkling of minions for extra DPS.

For TH8, my last half dozen raids have been between 6 and 8 dragons, with the rest balloons. I don't use minions. Balloons in the CC.

TL;DR - You don't have to run all dragons to win wars at TH7-TH8. It's both cheaper and IMHO more effective to use some balloons as well. And you can say with a straight face that you don't use all dragons.

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Definitely agree. However, a circle of a few minions (~10) behind the dragons helps destroy scattered outer buildings faster helping the dragons move towards the centre faster, drawing AD fire sooner, at which point the balloon can be sent in.

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

Barch is correct. I have picked off a war base for a star that I never would of gotten because he had spaced out too much

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Tempting an inexperienced player to attack for one star, by having many spaced out buildings, or even an exposed TH, is one of the tricks to win wars. A one star attack counts as a loss in my books. To win a war, I find you need at least 1.5-1.6 new stars per attack.

Sniping in a war for one star means that another, stronger, player needs to attack it again.

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Originally Posted by George1971

Tempting an inexperienced player to attack for one star, by having many spaced out buildings, or even an exposed TH, is one of the tricks to win wars. A one star attack counts as a loss in my books. To win a war, I find you need at least 1.5-1.6 new stars per attack.

Sniping in a war for one star means that another, stronger, player needs to attack it again.

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I have to agree. I see no use for barching in war. Always obliterate.

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Originally Posted by George1971

Tempting an inexperienced player to attack for one star, by having many spaced out buildings, or even an exposed TH, is one of the tricks to win wars. A one star attack counts as a loss in my books. To win a war, I find you need at least 1.5-1.6 new stars per attack.

Sniping in a war for one star means that another, stronger, player needs to attack it again.

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There is an advantage in it in certain circumstances though. Not saying its always the case. But there is definitely room for it.

For example. We have only 1 th9. Rest th8 and few th7.

So when we were facing a th10 with 2 inferno. Our th9 said he can 1* it. But 2* he nay miss. There were 2 th9. So we asked him to take out two th9. We all cleaned up rest of th8's

In the end we were going to get tied. So, I barched #1 being a th8 and used wiz in cc behind bk lvl10 to get some defense. I did get 51% with 2 lightning and 1 rage. So. We won that war with 2 star margin.. They didn't use last attack as there was no base left with 1* on our side. So they didn't had winning chance. So barching for 50% by weaker member and using stronger attack(th9) to 2-3* other th9 instead of wasting attack on th10 helped us win a mismatch..

So dont write off batching:)

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Originally Posted by Deadlyxda

There is an advantage in it in certain circumstances though. Not saying its always the case. But there is definitely room for it.

For example. We have only 1 th9. Rest th8 and few th7.

So when we were facing a th10 with 2 inferno. Our th9 said he can 1* it. But 2* he nay miss. There were 2 th9. So we asked him to take out two th9. We all cleaned up rest of th8's

In the end we were going to get tied. So, I barched #1 being a th8 and used wiz in cc behind bk lvl10 to get some defense. I did get 51% with 2 lightning and 1 rage. So. We won that war with 2 star margin.. They didn't use last attack as there was no base left with 1* on our side. So they didn't had winning chance. So barching for 50% by weaker member and using stronger attack(th9) to 2-3* other th9 instead of wasting attack on th10 helped us win a mismatch..

So dont write off batching:)

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Yes, if the complex situation means choosing between one star plus three stars or risking failing two stars each, there is merit in a weaker player attempting to barch a strong opponent for one star. But barch is surely improved by adding some giants and wall breakers, no?

At TH4 barching is still good. Those level 1 balloons are very delicate, and so often the enemy player doesn't understand how walls work.