"Walls don't matter" Philosophy

Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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Because they cost so much, not everyone has time to punch out walls after lv 7 or 8.

Lazy? Bored? Get a better defense quicker? Better army? Dunno.

walls aren't cool anymore

I actually prefer doing walls over defences first. I'm level 96 with full legos and about 50 lavas and still doing lavas. Although I started maxing my defences now. Only have 3 AT, AD and teslas left.

It's mostly a time tolerance factor.

I i like em as a sign of farming strength, how much of a difference they make in defences compared to a level or 2 down is fairly small.

But they do add up over time.

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Originally Posted by LightBeatz

walls aren't cool anymore

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What are you talking about? It never was a "cool" factor, it is a philosophy of use factor. Level 7 and below walls are useless in high level gameplay.

Plain and simple, I have better things to spend my money on. Level 9 plus walls are freakin expensive and time consuming!!!!!

I know I'm not the majority, but for me its the opposite. :) I'm a TH9 thats going to finish lavas very soon, and I've only maxed half my defenses. I've had 4 builders working on them 24/7, I've just been farming so excessively!! I'm now starting to contemplate whether it will benefit me to go to th10 before getting those other defenses up or not, just so I can farm zaps! :cool:

Maxed walls is my pride as a clasher :)

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Originally Posted by Xejj

What are you talking about? It never was a "cool" factor, it is a philosophy of use factor. Level 7 and below walls are useless in high level gameplay.

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Wrong. Walls are the biggest aspect of the game in which people like to brag about. There is a massive "cool" factor when it comes to walls in the CoC community, especially on the forums. All you have to do is look at peoples sigs here on forums as most love to show you just how high their walls are in lv. I've always thought that walls are the most overrated thing on CoC in which people obsess about. No convincing me otherwise.

You say Lv7 walls are useless in high lv gameplay but look at high masters and low Champs. Every second base these days are people with L7 walls or skulls. They obviously work fine for enough people. We war 24/7 as well and almost every war my mirror will only have L7-8 walls even though they are defensively maxed or darn close to it.

As others have stated. It is a time thing. A veeeeeery large % of people playing clash are casual gamers who don't have the time to farm 2-16 hours per day while boosting racks to get those lavas and zaps over time. More people value their real life time in comparison to the value they get back in game for them.

The only reason my walls are where they are today is because I have been structure and lab maxed for over 4-5 months and have no other need for my resources so into walls they go. I think zaps are incredibly ugly and it pains me every time I drop 4 million on one... only to have people use Lavaloon of massive ground armies with jump spells anyways.

Heck, my fave thing to do is find people in high masters or champs with L10-11 walls and just giant/wiz blitz their de and TH with a jump spell and some wb. Love it.

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Originally Posted by Terraist

Wrong. Walls are the biggest aspect of the game in which people like to brag about. There is a massive "cool" factor when it comes to walls in the CoC community, especially on the forums. All you have to do is look at peoples sigs here on forums as most love to show you just how high their walls are in lv. I've always thought that walls are the most overrated thing on CoC in which people obsess about. No convincing me otherwise.

You say Lv7 walls are useless in high lv gameplay but look at high masters and low Champs. Every second base these days are people with L7 walls or skulls. They obviously work fine for enough people. We war 24/7 as well and almost every war my mirror will only have L7-8 walls even though they are defensively maxed or darn close to it.

As others have stated. It is a time thing. A veeeeeery large % of people playing clash are casual gamers who don't have the time to farm 2-16 hours per day while boosting racks to get those lavas and zaps over time. More people value their real life time in comparison to the value they get back in game for them.

The only reason my walls are where they are today is because I have been structure and lab maxed for over 4-5 months and have no other need for my resources so into walls they go. I think zaps are incredibly ugly and it pains me every time I drop 4 million on one... only to have people use Lavaloon of massive ground armies with jump spells anyways.

Heck, my fave thing to do is find people in high masters or champs with L10-11 walls and just giant/wiz blitz their de and TH with a jump spell and some wb. Love it.

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The reason why I say they are useless goes back to the GoWiPe rut I mentioned before..In wars I have been in, the only people getting three starred by GoWiPe are the guys with level7 and below walls since the pekkas rip through them like butter. And as for putting my walls in my signature? That is solely for a joke with my friends, note the "LOL" at the end? It's quite laughable to me when I see people putting wall numbers in signatures so I mock them. And yes sure maybe others don't have the time to upgrade them, but don;t preach the maxing bible if you are going to skip walls, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

Ok fine then you do that. I am sure 3 walls will help you more than inferno towers. Because thats what you are tying to say by saying people are wrong to upgrade defences instead of walls.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

The reason why I say they are useless goes back to the GoWiPe rut I mentioned before..In wars I have been in, the only people getting three starred by GoWiPe are the guys with level7 and below walls since the pekkas rip through them like butter. And as for putting my walls in my signature? That is solely for a joke with my friends, note the "LOL" at the end? It's quite laughable to me when I see people putting wall numbers in signatures so I mock them. And yes sure maybe others don't have the time to upgrade them, but don;t preach the maxing bible if you are going to skip walls, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

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And if you want to say otherwise that's fine, but please leave me a link to a raid where you three starred a base with Lavas in wars with GoWiPe, it's grinding the fine line of impossible bud and you should be smart enough to understand that.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Ok fine then you do that. I am sure 3 walls will help you more than inferno towers. Because thats what you are tying to say by saying people are wrong to upgrade defences instead of walls.

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Never said defense doesn't matter, but walls essentially increase the HP of the building behind it.

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Originally Posted by daz258

Because they cost so much, not everyone has time to punch out walls after lv 7 or 8.

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This. Also, why waste time on walls when you're enemy is just going to lavaloonion you anyway? Sure it slows down their heroes but lavaloonion will two or three you anyway no matter what layout you choose.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

The reason why I say they are useless goes back to the GoWiPe rut I mentioned before..In wars I have been in, the only people getting three starred by GoWiPe are the guys with level7 and below walls since the pekkas rip through them like butter. And as for putting my walls in my signature? That is solely for a joke with my friends, note the "LOL" at the end? It's quite laughable to me when I see people putting wall numbers in signatures so I mock them. And yes sure maybe others don't have the time to upgrade them, but don;t preach the maxing bible if you are going to skip walls, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

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They advocate maxing so you have time to do troops and do as many walls as you can. To stay after that is when even some maxers decide that the marginal utility from slightly easier wall farming is less than the marginal utility of builder time.

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Originally Posted by daz258

Because they cost so much, not everyone has time to punch out walls after lv 7 or 8.

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I think this is the key argument right here. Walls "don't matter" "because they cost so much"

To put it another way, high level walls are extremely expensive and, because they cost so much, some people say they don't matter.

If they were free, everyone would have max walls.

ergo to conflate the cost with the utility is a fallacy.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

Never said defense doesn't matter, but walls essentially increase the HP of the building behind it.

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But you still think walls are more important? Stop kidding yourself, walls make a marginal difference that barely justifies the time/effort to do them.

you pretty much have to be a hardcore farmer to do 250 walls to the next level quickly but the main reason is because in most attacks how many walls are actually touched? I'd say at most 20 maybe 25, which is 10% of your total walls.

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Originally Posted by bluebird22

I know I'm not the majority, but for me its the opposite. :) I'm a TH9 thats going to finish lavas very soon, and I've only maxed half my defenses. I've had 4 builders working on them 24/7, I've just been farming so excessively!! I'm now starting to contemplate whether it will benefit me to go to th10 before getting those other defenses up or not, just so I can farm zaps! :cool:

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You are pretty much the only type of player that I would ever recommend going up in town hall level before finishing your defenses. If you farm so much that you have full lava walls and still are not done with defenses and you wish to keep farming at a high rate (rather than take a break to just do buildings) then I would recommend that you go to town hall 10 and start working on your level 11 walls. You never know how long your farming stamina will last and you don't want to waste it by not working on zaps when you can.

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Originally Posted by bobthelob

you pretty much have to be a hardcore farmer to do 250 walls to the next level quickly but the main reason is because in most attacks how many walls are actually touched? I'd say at most 20 maybe 25, which is 10% of your total walls.

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So just upgrade those 20-25 walls. Oh, it's a different 20-25 each attack.

Too bad.

Upgrade them all.

Or don't. I don't care really.

If you don't that means easier raids for the rest of us. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Gama321

But you still think walls are more important? Stop kidding yourself, walls make a marginal difference that barely justifies the time/effort to do them.

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A straw man argument. Who says walls are "more important?" I have not seen that stated here.

This thread is about the opposite argument that "walls don't matter"

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Originally Posted by Gama321

But you still think walls are more important? Stop kidding yourself, walls make a marginal difference that barely justifies the time/effort to do them.

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WHere did you get that from? I never said walls are more important, but you truly need to stop kidding YOURSELF if you think walls aren't justifiable. That "marginal difference" is the the difference between a two and three star in war when it comes to the "GoWi" attacks.

I think walls do matter, but you cannot neglect the defense towers and traps for the sake of walls, that would be pointless. When you get up to lvl 7 walls, you start getting diminishing returns from the higher wall levels because of the price. That money is better spent upgrading defenses and troops then upgrading the 225-250 walls for what they cost.

Hmm. In my mind, walls are important, but only to a limited extent. While its true that a lava wall might stop that pekka from busting through, a max cannon would work even better against that pekka. See my point?

I mean that walls do have benefits, but they don't justify the costs, if we are going by benefits alone. The reason i get my lego walls is for bragging rights mostly, and also its a useful resource sink. Benefit-wise, it would be much more beneficial to upgrade defences rather than walls. So, while walls are important, they are still a low priority with me in comparison to the other stuff i can get.

I just do them when I have extra resources. I don't do dedicated wall farming sessions.

Yes walls are important in the game but time is more important in the game of life.. I have respect fo those who have farmed walls as a gamer but then I think about how much time they have put ibti this game farming them and it makes me sorry for them.. to each their own though.. its their life if they want to spend 8 hours a day on a game then be it.. as long as your enjoying it..

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Originally Posted by Xejj

Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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Level 7, Level 8, and level 9 walls all need 2 Max Wallbreakers to punch through- so if you are pushing through crystal or even masters, you can Focus on your Defenses(which by the way in comparison-is way cheaper than spending all your loot upgrading walls for the "cool factor"). You don't actually need that 3rd Wallbreaker until level 10 Lava Walls-
Your walls are only as good as the defenses behind them anyway- any GoWiWi or GoWiPe or GoWiWiPe attack guy is gonna bring wallbreakers- usually maxed as you get into the higher leagues and yield the same result on any wall 7 through 9- the real payoff between the 7, 8 & 9 walls is after the TH has been reached depending on the level of wall- the rest of the base will either be 2 starred or 3 starred- in other words the walls do matter but not as much especially since there are so many other attacks that walls are pretty much useless- and GoWIPe is so expensive- Loon raiders really clean up here as well as avid Skilled Hog guys- and let's not forget the jump spell commonly used by champ guys anyway in ground attacks-
Armed with that information- and the cost for level 9 and 10 or even 11 walls you gotta really consider - are they worth it? sadly, as expensive as they are- NO. But they look cool-
i GoWiWi'd and GoWiPe'd for a year- spending a ton on troops for what?
I now QuatroLavaLoonian and am having the best results- lovin the air attack- I'm 2 starring Maxed TH 10's with level 40 heros- Electric level 11 walls and all - And almost never have to drop my Heros unless I need some cleanup-lol

So yeah- Walls are pretty much near worthless- just now grinding out my 9's the level 10's are 3 mil per block- maybe I can grind those out by Christmas 2016- but I'm in no hurry-lol

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Originally Posted by Spawne32

I think walls do matter, but you cannot neglect the defense towers and traps for the sake of walls, that would be pointless. When you get up to lvl 7 walls, you start getting diminishing returns from the higher wall levels because of the price. That money is better spent upgrading defenses and troops then upgrading the 225-250 walls for what they cost.

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Very true, however when those defense are maxed, the walls increase the troops needed to get to those defenses making the possibility of a three star substantially lower. Makes all the difference in wars with clans that spam GoWi attacks hoping and praying they get anything higher than a one star. What I have noticed in my visits to OneHive is that Th9's with Th8 point defense and lavas will defend better than a max Th9 with level 7 walls against the GoWi attacks. Seems I have hurt others feelings with the blatant truth, but oh well I could care less.

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Originally Posted by Chadwick1e46

Level 7, Level 8, and level 9 walls all need 2 Max Wallbreakers to punch through- so if you are pushing through crystal or even masters, you can Focus on your Defenses(which by the way in comparison-is way cheaper than spending all your loot upgrading walls for the "cool factor"). You don't actually need that 3rd Wallbreaker until level 10 Lava Walls-
Your walls are only as good as the defenses behind them anyway- any GoWiWi or GoWiPe or GoWiWiPe attack guy is gonna bring wallbreakers- usually maxed as you get into the higher leagues and yield the same result on any wall 7 through 9- the real payoff between the 7, 8 & 9 walls is after the TH has been reached depending on the level of wall- the rest of the base will either be 2 starred or 3 starred- in other words the walls do matter but not as much especially since there are so many other attacks that walls are pretty much useless- and GoWIPe is so expensive- Loon raiders really clean up here as well as avid Skilled Hog guys- and let's not forget the jump spell commonly used by champ guys anyway in ground attacks-
Armed with that information- and the cost for level 9 and 10 or even 11 walls you gotta really consider - are they worth it? sadly, as expensive as they are- NO. But they look cool-
i GoWiWi'd and GoWiPe'd for a year- spending a ton on troops for what?
I now QuatroLavaLoonian and am having the best results- lovin the air attack- I'm 2 starring Maxed TH 10's with level 40 heros- Electric level 11 walls and all - And almost never have to drop my Heros unless I need some cleanup-lol

So yeah- Walls are pretty much near worthless- just now grinding out my 9's the level 10's are 3 mil per block- maybe I can grind those out by Christmas 2016- but I'm in no hurry-lol

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See my last post. I am strictly talking about the large majority that has in fact fallen into the rut of the GoWiPe attacks. In the eyes of a th9 harcore war player, walls are everything but worthless.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

What I have noticed in my visits to OneHive is that Th9's with Th8 point defense and lavas will defend better than a max Th9 with level 7 walls against the GoWi attacks. Seems I have hurt others feelings with the blatant truth, but oh well I could care less.

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A little surprising, considering that many people notice the opposite, i.e that the max th9 would defend better. Oh well, your choice.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

WHere did you get that from? I never said walls are more important, but you truly need to stop kidding YOURSELF if you think walls aren't justifiable. That "marginal difference" is the the difference between a two and three star in war when it comes to the "GoWi" attacks.

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I said barely justifiable, I am not going to explain that for you. Whether it is or it isnt depends on how much the person values builder time, how long it takes to do them, and how much they value the cost of farming them (mind numbing effort).
For a maxer who doesnt mind if walls are not maxed, there is no concern for free builders or time it takes to do them so the cost of doing walls is far lower.
Whether someone has legoes or lavas will not change the outcome of every raid in war, only some. Lets say half the raids are done by gowi, and of that half most would be two star raids with 1/5 three star (quite high). That means it would make a difference of one star every 10 defences, does that justify spending several months more at th9? Enough time to be a near maxed th10?

As I have already said people who value builder time will not be spending several months of builders just to do one level of wall which may make a slight difference every now and then in wars (for normal raiding they would be better off going up and getting infernos obviously). It is also mind numbingly boring so you have to factor that into the cost along with builder time.

They think it doesn't matter because they are too lazy to farm. If you can barch a few million per day you will always have some leftover resource to upgrade walls. If you are sitting on collectors you will get just enough resource to upgrade defense and other important structures, which is what many people are doing right now.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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"Everybody" is an exaggeration, especially on these forums.

Look at the many "am I ready to upgrade yet" threads, and you'll see that most people who say to max the current town hall include walls. In addition, those that don't aren't saying that they don't matter, rather that it is more important to have builders and the lab busy than to grid out walls.

Also, a lot of people are using lavaloonion these days, so it's interesting that you said that "everybody" has fallen into the gowipe "rut" now, as though it's more popular than ever.

Oh no.....the straw man is back.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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Ten reasons why:
1. They cost too much
2. They cost too much
3. I would rather upgrade defences
4. They cost too much
5. With the lv13 cannons ground raids will slow down
6. Why mention hogs? They are dead
7. They cost too much
8. They cost too much
9. We want elixir walls back for lower wall levels
10. They cost too much

I'm TH10 with lv7 walls but almost max defences. Never been more than 60%ed.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

See my last post. I am strictly talking about the large majority that has in fact fallen into the rut of the GoWiPe attacks. In the eyes of a th9 harcore war player, walls are everything but worthless.

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So now we are just talking strictly about war? In that case anything with marginal weight like walls and supposedly heroes should be maxed, ignoring all other factors such as time and effort. Nobody is saying they are worthless, just that the cost/time doesnt justify months of free builders.

Besides it is easier to gowipe a th9 with lavas than a th10 with legoes (if we are talking about maxed troops and defences for both). Also I personally have three starred a maxed th9 with mainly lavas with gowipe as a th9

I enjoy my walls :)

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Originally Posted by Polaris

Oh no.....the straw man is back.

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Actually, to be a straw man argument, I would have needed to have picked up a minor point in TC's argument to distract everyone from the main issue.

Given that his main point is that everyone preaches maxing except walls, I'd say that my argument is perfectly legitimate.

Has anyone read my sig?

Even with loonian, lvl 1 walls scare me.

Well I am a th10. I farm everything but at the same time I'm not a hard core farmer or gamer. I have max infernos, xbows, wiz towers. Every other defense is max th9. I am about to finish lvl 8 walls but also have 38 Legos done. They don't matter at certain times but I've learned without lvl 8+ you set yourself up for people to gowipe/ gowiwi. It's a matter of what you can control over what others decide to use.

I have 125/125 skulls/lego.

I use the 125 for core and compartments and the others are just funnels. I prefer maxing my defenses and offensive upgrades. After all, walls to max would be over 1billion gold, enough to max out a th10 from scratch.

I started my anti wall approach a long time ago. As one commentor said because they cost too much. Would I rather do a few walls or upgrade a Wiz tower? Well I chose Wiz towers.

Ill do walls eventually but as to your War post... I usually give up 1 star in war and get hit by drags the most. my weak walls majority at 7 havent been a big deal

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Originally Posted by Psyquack

Actually, to be a straw man argument, I would have needed to have picked up a minor point in TC's argument to distract everyone from the main issue.

Given that his main point is that everyone preaches maxing except walls, I'd say that my argument is perfectly legitimate.

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Just commenting on the use of "straw man" in general........it's been quite overused around here in the past.

because walls don't matter

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Originally Posted by Polaris

Just commenting on the use of "straw man" in general........it's been quite overused around here in the past.

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I see, I apologize for jumping to conclusions

Do walls while doing defense

Maybe people just lazy to do walls and most of them who says walls are hard they tend to upgrade the most cheapest building/troop in game first rather than the most expensive

Also they usually says " I would save up some elixir and gold / dark elixir " <- that's what I told my bro who play few months earlier than me and hes not even half th8

While me as a farmer I don't save resources I raid raid raid for resources

Both walls and defenses are important, however, the bang for your buck is huge for defenses when compared to walls above level 7.

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Originally Posted by Mystery93

Maxed walls is my pride as a clasher :)

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walls walls walls...
must love walls <3

I do walls in between upgrades. It makes no sense to do walls after everything is done and having idle builders while you're doing lavas, because you spent gems (real money equivalent) to get builders. As is, I can pump out 2-5 lavas everyday when one of my builder frees up. I'm expecting to finish lavas in 4 months, well before my defenses can catch up

I one sense they dont matter, I am a th 10 and mostly do gowipe in war. Typically do a few wall breakers d. jump spell and can 2 star any base. Really bad walls make 3 star possible but it is less important than other defenses. Also the cost is insane, working on lvl 10 walls and not worth it if you have other upgrades to do.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

So now we are just talking strictly about war? In that case anything with marginal weight like walls and supposedly heroes should be maxed, ignoring all other factors such as time and effort. Nobody is saying they are worthless, just that the cost/time doesnt justify months of free builders.

Besides it is easier to gowipe a th9 with lavas than a th10 with legoes (if we are talking about maxed troops and defences for both). Also I personally have three starred a maxed th9 with mainly lavas with gowipe as a th9

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share the video. I have never seen th9 wipe out another th9 with lavas using gowipe.please don't share a goho or golo and say its gowipe

I think wall are important and if you go to th10 with lvl 8 walls it shows, even if you don't think it does truth be told it shows to a certain degree your skill as an attacker

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Originally Posted by Xejj

Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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Walls are decorations to me. I have half lava walls. I think walls can also scare ppl away

Walls make you a bigger contribution to war.

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Originally Posted by Bwit51

I think wall are important and if you go to th10 with lvl 8 walls it shows, even if you don't think it does truth be told it shows to a certain degree your skill as an attacker

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No they dont. They just show how much you play this non stop. The higher lvl walls, the more you farm or gem. It has nothing to do with skill...

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Originally Posted by Counterpoint

No they dont. They just show how much you play this non stop. The higher lvl walls, the more you farm or gem. It has nothing to do with skill...

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Exactly. High level walls=Play a lot or gem a lot.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

See my last post. I am strictly talking about the large majority that has in fact fallen into the rut of the GoWiPe attacks. In the eyes of a th9 harcore war player, walls are everything but worthless.

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Umm yeah, nope, worthless- lol
good luck with that
peace

I only recently got on the max walls bandwagon about 2-3 months ago when my clan got matched with a clan with same level defenses but about 1-2 level wall advantage across the board... Needless to say we lost but since then we've been on a clanwide wall push and it has really made a difference. The game matching algorithm seems to give almost no weight to walls, which means a world of difference at high level th9 play when gowiwi and gowipe are your best options...

to answer the thread, i think players are just too impatient to farm for walls. I for one will not be going th10 until I get at least my center full lava... Just adds a "wow" factor...

I think walls are important. They have a certain intimidation factor if nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Effbom

I only recently got on the max walls bandwagon about 2-3 months ago when my clan got matched with a clan with same level defenses but about 1-2 level wall advantage across the board... Needless to say we lost but since then we've been on a clanwide wall push and it has really made a difference. The game matching algorithm seems to give almost no weight to walls, which means a world of difference at high level th9 play when gowiwi and gowipe are your best options...

to answer the thread, i think players are just too impatient to farm for walls. I for one will not be going th10 until I get at least my center full lava... Just adds a "wow" factor...

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Ok- good point- from a "WAR" point of view in matchmaking, that makes complete sense-
In my experience, Defense, Clan Castle, and Hero strength are the main factors that determine the outcome, but you run a War search and true, walls really aren't factored in- that would be the tie breaker- especially if troops and defenses are the same-
i agree-
The bottom line is regardless of how great your walls are- they are only as good as the defenses behind them- and that is why most people don't focuss on them- it's not impatience- it's strategy- kinda the point
So the idea that walls are worthless may be too harsh a statement. But when you have to budget an xbow upgrade and 2 wall blocks cost the same- where is the payoff?
Personally, I skipped my level 8's altogether because I didn't see the point- if level 10 lavas were 3mil per block, skipping the 8's only cost 1.5 mil per block- to level9- why not? Same amount of wallbreakers to punch through- but that's me.
I say max your builders, and leave 1 free to hide your resources into your walls, but there is no need to rush and farm the walls just for the sake of farming walls- they are not that important- just my opinion-

at any rate, my level 9's are nearly done- I heard the update coming up may have decreased cost of walls level 8 and up- hope it's true- then we can both have that "wow" factor much sooner-
peace

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Originally Posted by Bwit51

I think wall are important and if you go to th10 with lvl 8 walls it shows, even if you don't think it does truth be told it shows to a certain degree your skill as an attacker

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Dude you thing says you are a th9, trying to act like you know what is up with th10. As a th10 mid way through being max I assure you nothing wrong with lvl8 walls. They are high enough to scare off most people as most people aren't building go armies to farm. Its mainly loons, and walls don't do anything about that.as for walls in general at the very least they make an attacker waste army space carrying WB.

Without nice walls, you will be done maxing your base very quick, and if you want nice walls then it is much harder as a th10 due to th loot penalty.

Some people play to farm and have nice base, some people play to smash. Whatever floats your boat.

I don't understand why people say those with high level walls play for hours. I raid for 3 minutes, log off, and raid again in about half an hour or so. My total time spent playing the game is probably half an hour to an hour total and I net around 6-7 million gold per day. Who says you have to constantly stay online to farm for walls?

Walls matter to a certain extent... but not enough to justify the time and effort spent farming for it... Yes occasionally they are the deciding factor between a 1 star or 2 star Gowipe raid, but thats about it really... You still get 2 stared by air raids anyways... With LavaLoon the OP strategy these days, they matter even less....

In War it matters when you are attacked with GoWiWi or GiWiPe but its useless if its an air attack.
Walls are psycological + zaps look cool when you are a maxed th10 i guess
im currently working on my Heroes and doing Lavas on the side . keeping one builder free to just drop Gold when waiting for upgrades to get done. whats the point of sitting on full storages for a week until your next upgrade?

Zap walls are a difference maker, no doubt about it.

but every other level of wall just gets cut up in clan wars...so what's the point? I think that's why people say walls don't matter.

my clan is an older clan, almost everyone is th10 with max defenses. We had a guy join who had better walls than most of us, but defenses were lagging behind a little. After he was 3s in clan war he left...I bet he was pretty upset.

I sported L8 skulls for over a year and I was fine. I'm doing Legos/lava now just bc there is nothing left to do but those and heros. My advice to younger players is to go ahead and get your Skulls but after that put your resources in to other upgrades

They dont reward enough for the price. Its by design the money pit.

walls separate the wheat from the chaff:rolleyes:

Because a lot of people don't pay attention to their own habits. If they did they would realize that the first thing they look at after amount of loot available are a persons walls. And sometimes it's the first. lol.

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Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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Walls are psychological.

What I'd like to know is what the walls-don't-matter crowd plans to do once they've maxxed their defenses at TH10.

Will they finally start working on their walls, or simply rage-quit "BECUZ SOOPERSELL IZNT RELEEASING MOAR BILDINGS AND TREWPS!!!!11!!"

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Dude you thing says you are a th9, trying to act like you know what is up with th10. As a th10 mid way through being max I assure you nothing wrong with lvl8 walls. They are high enough to scare off most people as most people aren't building go armies to farm. Its mainly loons, and walls don't do anything about that.as for walls in general at the very least they make an attacker waste army space carrying WB.

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As a ten who in fact went to ten with level 8s I can say as I upgrade more and more walls to lava I do see a marked increase in defenses won.....and I can count on 1 hand the number of times I've been looned in the last six months so I think those that get hit with them a lot have more of a design issue than anything else. Basically my feeling from my own experience is if you are already a 10 with less than lava just continue of defenses while dumping excess......but if you're a 9, why not do lavas? They are so insanely easy to do at th9...I'm about 3 raids from doing 159 & 160 at the moment.....with no fear of logging off.

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I don't understand why people say those with high level walls play for hours. I raid for 3 minutes, log off, and raid again in about half an hour or so. My total time spent playing the game is probably half an hour to an hour total and I net around 6-7 million gold per day. Who says you have to constantly stay online to farm for walls?

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This is so unlikely. Lets say you raid 3 minutes and log off. Thats 10 raids in 30 minutes. You would need to be super lucky and find 600,000 gold raids everytime you come in to make 6mil gold a day playing so casually.

If nothing else, they look way better. Have you seen a TH9/10 with full lego+, the base looks sooooooo much better and more intimidating then if you saw pink/purple walls. Walls do stop a lot of normal raids, where people aren't coming at you with hounds, hogs, dragons etc.. It has deterred my raiding of many villages.

When you see high level walls, you also assume that they have max level teslas etc.. If you see a village with low level walls, they look like an easy mark.

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Walls are psychological.

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No doubt at all :)

I'm a completionist, and for me that means efficiency. If I upgrade to TH10, I'm going to lose at least 10% loot unless I only ever attack other TH10s. That raises the effective price of walls a hell of a lot. Infernos are tempting but not worth it to me. My TH is always outside and the times I get raped is so rare that I really don't need them. It's not like I usually have any loot worth stealing anyway, because I'm constantly dumping it into walls and heroes.

When I do finally upgrade to TH10, I'll have lavas AND infernos. Come at me, ♥♥♥♥♥es

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Originally Posted by Xejj

Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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walls do matter @1

No idea. Doing walls is rewarding. I love logging on to clash and looking at my beautiful level 8 walls. (I'm th8)

Walls, to me, are like "stand in front of Orgrimmar Auction House for noobs to gawk at your elite gear and/or mount".

As a lvl100 th9,i wanna put in my input on walls. I started as th9 with lvl7 walls(embarrassingly enough, I didn't know how to farm then). I kept getting rekd, so I decided to start upgrading my walls to lvl8!they took me awhile but I eventually finished. After finishing I upgraded my mortars but upgrading defenses didn't feel the same. So I started upgrading my walls to lvl9.after a lil over a month I finished! I barely get attacked now because they look pretty intimidating!!! I upgrade some walls to lvl10 now but I've focused on defenses. Peace ✌
-Awesomeness

I still had gold walls as TH9, and now it's pinkie lol

At least in regards to CW matchmaking, walls aren't weighted in proportion to their actual worth. For example, look at your direct opponent in CW. There can be 2-3 level discrepancy between you and your opponent. That's why I recommend upgrading walls.

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I don't understand why people say those with high level walls play for hours. I raid for 3 minutes, log off, and raid again in about half an hour or so. My total time spent playing the game is probably half an hour to an hour total and I net around 6-7 million gold per day. Who says you have to constantly stay online to farm for walls?

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I don't understand why people have to lie to themselves and others on the message boards about how hard it is to farm walls.

You don't play half an hour to an hour a day and net 6-7 million gold....it's impossible. It's a grind and you play far more than you're letting on, just admit it.

As far as walls go, imo, if you are serious about finishing them Lev 8 and up you should leave a builder open and finish them up 1st, while keeping the other 4 builders busy.

At TH 9, this allows you to dump all excess resources into walls and play with ZERO storages. This will in turn deter attacks or raids.

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I don't understand why people say those with high level walls play for hours. I raid for 3 minutes, log off, and raid again in about half an hour or so. My total time spent playing the game is probably half an hour to an hour total and I net around 6-7 million gold per day. Who says you have to constantly stay online to farm for walls?

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First of rule about lying... make the lie actually believable or else you just end making a fool of yourself.