"Walls don't matter" Philosophy

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Originally Posted by Xejj

What I have noticed in my visits to OneHive is that Th9's with Th8 point defense and lavas will defend better than a max Th9 with level 7 walls against the GoWi attacks. Seems I have hurt others feelings with the blatant truth, but oh well I could care less.

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A little surprising, considering that many people notice the opposite, i.e that the max th9 would defend better. Oh well, your choice.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

WHere did you get that from? I never said walls are more important, but you truly need to stop kidding YOURSELF if you think walls aren't justifiable. That "marginal difference" is the the difference between a two and three star in war when it comes to the "GoWi" attacks.

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I said barely justifiable, I am not going to explain that for you. Whether it is or it isnt depends on how much the person values builder time, how long it takes to do them, and how much they value the cost of farming them (mind numbing effort).
For a maxer who doesnt mind if walls are not maxed, there is no concern for free builders or time it takes to do them so the cost of doing walls is far lower.
Whether someone has legoes or lavas will not change the outcome of every raid in war, only some. Lets say half the raids are done by gowi, and of that half most would be two star raids with 1/5 three star (quite high). That means it would make a difference of one star every 10 defences, does that justify spending several months more at th9? Enough time to be a near maxed th10?

As I have already said people who value builder time will not be spending several months of builders just to do one level of wall which may make a slight difference every now and then in wars (for normal raiding they would be better off going up and getting infernos obviously). It is also mind numbingly boring so you have to factor that into the cost along with builder time.

They think it doesn't matter because they are too lazy to farm. If you can barch a few million per day you will always have some leftover resource to upgrade walls. If you are sitting on collectors you will get just enough resource to upgrade defense and other important structures, which is what many people are doing right now.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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"Everybody" is an exaggeration, especially on these forums.

Look at the many "am I ready to upgrade yet" threads, and you'll see that most people who say to max the current town hall include walls. In addition, those that don't aren't saying that they don't matter, rather that it is more important to have builders and the lab busy than to grid out walls.

Also, a lot of people are using lavaloonion these days, so it's interesting that you said that "everybody" has fallen into the gowipe "rut" now, as though it's more popular than ever.

Oh no.....the straw man is back.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

Not going to be a huge thread, but I felt I needed to start this discussion regardless of how much I want to type....Anyways why is it that everybody these days preaches the maxing bible until it comes to walls? And not only that why do they claim "walls don't matter"? Sure hogs and loons etc do not matter when it comes to walls, but in wars these days with everybody falling into the GoWiPe rut, walls ARE the deciding factor in raids!! So please give your thoughts as to why people quit doing walls at level 7 and 8 because I personally don't understand it.

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Ten reasons why:
1. They cost too much
2. They cost too much
3. I would rather upgrade defences
4. They cost too much
5. With the lv13 cannons ground raids will slow down
6. Why mention hogs? They are dead
7. They cost too much
8. They cost too much
9. We want elixir walls back for lower wall levels
10. They cost too much

I'm TH10 with lv7 walls but almost max defences. Never been more than 60%ed.

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Originally Posted by Xejj

See my last post. I am strictly talking about the large majority that has in fact fallen into the rut of the GoWiPe attacks. In the eyes of a th9 harcore war player, walls are everything but worthless.

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So now we are just talking strictly about war? In that case anything with marginal weight like walls and supposedly heroes should be maxed, ignoring all other factors such as time and effort. Nobody is saying they are worthless, just that the cost/time doesnt justify months of free builders.

Besides it is easier to gowipe a th9 with lavas than a th10 with legoes (if we are talking about maxed troops and defences for both). Also I personally have three starred a maxed th9 with mainly lavas with gowipe as a th9

I enjoy my walls :)

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Originally Posted by Polaris

Oh no.....the straw man is back.

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Actually, to be a straw man argument, I would have needed to have picked up a minor point in TC's argument to distract everyone from the main issue.

Given that his main point is that everyone preaches maxing except walls, I'd say that my argument is perfectly legitimate.

Has anyone read my sig?

Even with loonian, lvl 1 walls scare me.