Why all the hate for healers?

Hey all, just a random post because I keep seeing healer-bashing going on in many forum posts.
Firstly I am a pretty well-developed TH10 (level 121) and I will say that I rarely use healers anymore because of playing in masters and champs. But anyway..

As a TH7-9 I used the giant-healer combo a lot, and I had a huge amount of success with it against storage bases. Giants would go in with wallbreakers, take out an air defence and then I would drop my healer (or two). The giants would then proceed to trash most of the defences, allowing me to take the majority of the base's loot with my other troops.

This strategy was incredibly useful, reasonably cheap because of the lack of spells, and as someone who raids once every few hours I had no issue with troop training times. I will accept that healers (even at level 4) are past their best at TH10-level, but they are awesome between TH6 and TH9, and it would appear that is the level of gameplay that they were designed for.

I just wondered if anyone else has the love for healers that I do? Let me know what you guys think :)

EDIT: The forum exclusive for the sneak peek says that healers will no longer trigger air traps - seemed like a common complaint in this thread so people have got to be happy with that.

I just upped them to lvl4 for Valhalla's CoC Girls event. I know Nio regularly uses valks and healers in his valk tornado combo with great success in masters league. Going to give her a try but i feel she just needs some tweaking, either an extra level, or changing to a multi target system instead of area splash.

Th9s are similar to th10s. Even th8 they were starting to become redundant, only up to th7 are they useful. But due to training time even there they are not worth farming with.

Once hopped in a korean clan for a while and view a random defense attack on their base. Watched a level 20 or 30 AQ + maxed healer alone could bulldozed a TH8 base. That was stunning.

Guess i'm in the minority cause I love my healers. They're maxed, I use 4 at a time with 12giants, 12wb, 40archers, 40barbs which is a 32 minute army. If King & Queen available it just makes looting a decent TH9 too easy. cost about 120k so hitting
4 less than 250k in elixer is not & option.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Th9s are similar to th10s. Even th8 they were starting to become redundant, only up to th7 are they useful. But due to training time even there they are not worth farming with.

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I do not agree, I'm maxed out TH8 and I still use healers now and then. They are pretty usefull if u know how to use them.

But I also think, it depends on the person, we all have that one troop we dislike right?:)

Interesting to see people's thoughts - I think one of the main problems people have with healers at TH9 and above (a problem that can be solved by luck or deployment skill) is that below that level healers often stay alive for the entire attack, doing a huge amount of healing, whereas at higher levels people can't accept the fact that even if a healer dies reasonably early on in the attack she has still prolonged the life of your troops as a heal spell would but at half the cost.

But as has already been said, I guess it's just down to personal preference as with any troop :)

They don't heal air troops and since I always use dragons and I don't ever use healers anymore. :(

TH10 and i never use healers, haven't since i was TH8.

Healers are an expensive waste at TH10. Don't see why no option for 'Used them before but not now?' At lower TH's they were great with a swarm of giants but fodder now..

Last time I used healers was TH8.

At TH9 there are too many Air Defences & Seeking Air Mines littered around ready to pop them. That just get's worst at TH10 with Infernos disabling Heal.

Add that to flakey AI which can leave the healer trying to save a smaller pack of troops over a larger one.

I'd rather use that cook time, elixir & 14 troop spaces elsewhere. If I am that desperate to heal I'll make a spell.

I used to use healers all the time as a TH6 and TH7, but I haven't used them for a long time. It's not worth waiting 15 minutes to use them in every attack. :)

They get OHKO by mines, (instantly wasting 14 troop space)

infernos disable healing
they can't heal air troops (that would be OP if it happens though)
from my POV, she's not really that needed :(

If her Training time gets lower I might consider using her to farm

lvl6 GiBarch is enough to do a storage raid, I don't need my giants to live through the raid, just to destroy enough to let my Barch do the looting

The last time I used a healer was at Th6. I just remember watching my base being trampled by a bunch of giants and 1 healer. I though it was the most OP strategy ever! But I think I may of been a nub and had my air defense on the outside...:rolleyes:

Healers are just too unreliable, and too many traps one hit kills them. I gave up on healers because they are a joke... who hasn't used healers and seen them turn away from a group of giants to a single barb or archer trying to destroy a wall being hit by nothing? It was funny the first few times, but it happens waaaaaay too often.

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Originally Posted by duuuncaaan

Hey all, just a random post because I keep seeing healer-bashing going on in many forum posts

This strategy was incredibly useful, reasonably cheap because of the lack of spells, and as someone who raids once every few hours I had no issue with troop training times. I will accept that healers (even at level 4) are past their best at TH10-level, but they are awesome between TH6 and TH9, and it would appear that is the level of gameplay that they were designed for.

I just wondered if anyone else has the love for healers that I do? Let me know what you guys think :)

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Used to use them quite a bit. Cheaper than heal spells & quicker to make. However I stopped using them after people were able to buy and upgrade seeking air mines with gold. Previously due to their relative expense few people had them. You may come across one (or two on the base if you were unlucky) before the changes but since then healers, for me at least, weren't worth training. Their cost, train time and housing space is too much for me to justify training them when they last a few seconds in the battle field.

That said it may have just been the way I use them. I have been attacked by people using a few of them which did work in my TH9 base. People on the forums have suggested taking some balloons to trigger any seeking air mines. Clan mates have also used them at TH9 in clan wars quite successfully too.

I prefer barch for farming, also, I have bad luck with healers. Once I got 4% with 200 spaces at TH7 vs. TH7. I quit Giant Healer!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: and there went 26 trophies as well... :(

I'm th9, I use healer/Giants combo a lot. I find it more effective then barchering, easier to take out defences, it costs a bit more, but its worth it. Healers are awesome.

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Originally Posted by Holps

Healers are an expensive waste at TH10. Don't see why no option for 'Used them before but not now?' At lower TH's they were great with a swarm of giants but fodder now..

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Expensive? Really? 10,000 elixir? That's less than three giants. If you can keep the healer alive for even 15 seconds it will offer more benefit to your attack than three giants.

Having great results with healers on TH8:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...WiHe-%28TH8%29

They are totally worth their housing space. They contribute like 10k to 20k HP to tanking troops on my attacks. To get that same amount of HP I would need to bring 2 or 3 golems, but those 2 or 3 golems won't have the attack power of PEKKAs. Or I could bring a heal spell or two, but then I would be sacrificing the attack power of one or two rage spells.

That is what makes all the difference. When under the effect of a rage spell, each of my healers has more healing power than a heal spell. So with three healers that's more healing than what 3x heal spells could achieve. Can refill a lv2 PEKKA from near zero HP to full in 11~12 seconds.

I used Healer a lot up to th 9. Yet at th 10 vs th 10, there are too many SAMs while Infernoes make them problematic.

Giant healer was my combo until i hit TH8. By then, most people are keen to it and centralize ther AD for such attacks. It became far less effective against TH8, and definitely terrible against TH9 and 10.

I think the biggest issue is the seaking air bomb. One takes out a fully health healer.

I use the healer a lot while farming Masters II. I look for blind spots in defenses and then sorta use the giants like golems. The new level 7 giants can stand up as long as their is a little breathing room.

As Slaskio said I use the Valkyrie Tornado, which means I bring 8-10 Valkyrie along for the ride. This is basically my secret as they do allot of damage in a short period of time. I use the healers/giants to basically set up an attack. Usually I split the giants, much like a GoWiPe attack, and once I have a path I send in my Valks/Heros/ and brunt of my wizards. Ideally an AD is placed smack dab in the middle. This way I create a large area where the healers can roam free.

As far as traps go, I actually usually do fine because of this tactic as well. Because of LavaLoonion you can almost guarantee that the seeking air mines will be next to the AD. Since I use Valkyrie for a surge, I can often avoid putting my healers anywhere near the AD. The trap radius is low, so I usually do quite well.

Trap bases are a no no though, and as I said before I need breathing room and a blind spot. I also avoid high level heros, unless in the core where the Valkyrie are going to hit. But if I have those things I can often hit maxed bases for 2 stars (I have high level heros). Even with my queen down I was able to farm lower Masters II, just had to be picky.


Honestly I think if they added a new healer level, one with a good bump, I could make her work as a much more lethal combo.

Masters II is also a good place right now because loot is good and often the CC is empty because you have enough pushers that take bases out of the queue right away, but still players that care about loot so don't boost their heros or make sure their CC's are full.

EDIT: I didn't technical answer the question


Healers require that you analyze a base. Many players do not adapt after Th7 to the additional Air Defenses. They also don't mix in other troops to help compensate for the giant/healer's major weaknesses (their slow and don't do much damage). Hog riders will work well also in a similar attack fashion.

Since using a healer is much trickier after Th7, many players just opt for the much safer healing spell. Many don't realize its not an either/or choice. Often a heal spell can be used to offset the healer AI, or give you room for more rages. Also at Th10 you'll need freeze spells, so the added healing is actually quite helpful.

I am not saying Healers are war worthy, as their risk is hard to ignore. But they are must more useful then they are given credit for.

Yes, I have used them;)

I have two questions:

If my clan donate one HEALER along with two WIZARDS to my CC, if the CC area got acessed, will the HEALER support the WIZARDS?

If my clan donate one or two HEALERS to my CC and I place the CC with my KING, if the CC area got acessed, will the HEALER support my KING?

I'm not a fan of healers because of how easy they are to take down and take up a lot of supply. If I go a ground based composition then she'll be the target of every anti air mine / Air D the opponent has and it doesn't take much to bring her down.

I'd rather just have more giants / even a golem in my army rather than try to heal units.

Quick fix for healer at high levels would be that seeking air mines do only 50% dmg to healers and maybe that healers can heal a little (30%) through inferno tower fire.

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Originally Posted by SuperR0ck

I have two questions:

If my clan donate one HEALER along with two WIZARDS to my CC, if the CC area got acessed, will the HEALER support the WIZARDS?

If my clan donate one or two HEALERS to my CC and I place the CC with my KING, if the CC area got acessed, will the HEALER support my KING?

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Healers on defense will prioritize heros and ignore cc troops, have not tested what happens if no heroes present, though id assume theyd go for the cc then

I prefer air attacks, so I don't use them much, but you should try a mass wizard + healers attack sometime. 36 level 5 wizards + 4 healers. Just line the wizards up on one side of the base, put the healers behind them and let them go. The added range and firepower of the wizards help to reduce the chance of all the healers going down to AD, so it usually works very well.

I'm only TH8, so I haven't tried it on anything above that, but it can level a TH7 or TH8 base pretty fast, and it's fun to watch.

SAM should ignore healers like they ignore minions, that would help. Also, multi targeting heal instead of area, like an inferno tower. Better AI would be amazing too.

Don't hate healers but at th9 level6 troops are good enough to farm.14 spaces, 0 dps and 15 min training isn't going to cut it because farming is more about gold per hour than wrecking a base.barch or bam are more efficient when chasing that 1,2mil gold per

I love healer and dragon. And yes, I'm max TH9 (including wall and heroes). I farm to lv 20+ heroes using giants-healers.

If they make healers work even for inferno, I'm sure people would use healer much more.

Man, I wish they do that.

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Originally Posted by SuperR0ck

I have two questions:

If my clan donate one HEALER along with two WIZARDS to my CC, if the CC area got acessed, will the HEALER support the WIZARDS?

If my clan donate one or two HEALERS to my CC and I place the CC with my KING, if the CC area got acessed, will the HEALER support my KING?

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Healers will actually heal defense and buildings when in war castles. They are not a good choice, but a few battles it was fun to watch.

Healers arent good because your limiting already limited bases. You want targets with good loot/trophies not bases with exposed ADs. Unless you really like the next button this is mostly just people enjoying the challenge of it.

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Originally Posted by powerbottom

Healers arent good because your limiting already limited bases. You want targets with good loot/trophies not bases with exposed ADs. Unless you really like the next button this is mostly just people enjoying the challenge of it.

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It's a tradeoff. With healers you need to pay attention to the position of ADs, but you can in turn ignore the position of ground defenses (since their damage can be just healed).

Kinda like a heal spell.

I honestly don't think healers itself are useless, they can actually be pretty useful. I think the problem is what's on defense that makes them useless. Seeking air mines, air defenses and infernos all make healers pretty useless. There's too much going on for healers to be a success and people just prefer healing spells, where infernos are the only problems.

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Originally Posted by powerbottom

Kinda like a heal spell.

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Bringing a heal spell means not bringing a rage spell, which would instead provide extra firepower and increase the healing abilities of healer. It's all a trade off.

The one thing that makes healers a bit weak are seeking air mines. Having a 14 housing space troop taken out instantly is kinda harsh. If healers where scaled down to a lower housing space, then seeking air mines wouldn't hurt as much.

Possible solutions (implementing all 3):

1. Infernos don't neglect healers heal.
2. Healer L5 for TH10 (L8 lab). (min 1500 HP)
3. SAMs do 1/2 damage to healers.

Healers really seem to start getting useless at TH8, and that's when these effects will start to make a difference.

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Originally Posted by Jomarx3me

They get OHKO by mines, (instantly wasting 14 troop space)

infernos disable healing
they can't heal air troops (that would be OP if it happens though)
from my POV, she's not really that needed :(

If her Training time gets lower I might consider using her to farm

lvl6 GiBarch is enough to do a storage raid, I don't need my giants to live through the raid, just to destroy enough to let my Barch do the looting

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I whole heartedly agree with this ^

I neglected healers till recently. I'm a maxed th9. Working on heroes, so I only care about DE. Without heroes to aid the attack I need a force to sustain itself for a longer time. Started in the 1700 cup range (currently about 2050 cups) and have attacked hourly with a giant/healer combo. So in that time I can generate 2 heal spells. I try to avoid heal spells due to the cost but often use 1. Only attacking th8 to mid-level th9s and rushed th10s. Haven't failed to get a de storage yet in about 70 attacks. Use the heal spells as backup. Averaging about 1250 de a raid. Not seeing a whole lot of decently filled DE storages that aren't protected by infernos that i've haven't attacked. Most folks have skull wall or weaker. I figure when I get up to upper c3-c2 I'll switch to loonion. But I've seen no reason to change now. Really isn't many juicy full de storages in this range. Only playing casually so I prefer to keep the nexting under 50. Both heroes are upgrading (to level 13 and 11) so it has produced the de required. One of the things I'm trying to do though is to get to a higher cup range so the de is more plentiful. Kind of space still. Was settling for 8-900 de in the 1700-1850 range. Once I got near 1900 cups, 1000+ de has been easier to find.

I couldn't imagine using giant/healer if I was hardcore farming though. As a casual farm it's been quite nice.

I don't hate them... just ignore them..

I would like to see a dark troop that enrages troops around it.

Much like this idea, i think the healer should heal whatever she is flying over and with to a certain radius.

Hi,
first of all some information, i'm a th10 with maxed def and lvl 144.
I used them a lot th9 and lower, but not anymore at th10.
the answer is easy for me, for farming it takes too long to train, for pushing it doesn't make sense to use them, since they don't work against the best def of the game. Yes, the inferno tower blocks the heal. It's every logical, a fire tower can be freezed, but not healed...
cheers.

Strategy has been simple as well. 2 squads far enough apart to cover a decent portion of the base but usually close enough that wizards in between have cover. If the AD is 3 layers deep, then healer right away. 2 layers deep, heal spell then healer when ad is down. outer layer, just wait to use healer when the ad goes down, heal spell if the wizards are being silly. Not running across many outer walls that are stronger than level 7. Inner walls can be skull. Not concerned when the giants hit a wall. wizards usually have plenty to aim at. Giants are only there to tank. Usually a 2 star, sometimes a 3 star, occasionally 1 star. My few 0 star attacks have been on purpose only using a small piece of the army not including the healers. (Hey if you are going to give me a 1000 de I will donate you cups)

Honestly, healers were part of an amazing farming comp a looong time ago. But now there's newer and better comps out there, like Barching, BAMing, etc.

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Originally Posted by Cristian

I would like to see a dark troop that enrages troops around it.

Much like this idea, i think the healer should heal whatever she is flying over and with to a certain radius.

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No, no, no. That would mean she would either be healing the troops at the back (which don't need the healing) or sitting at the front getting hammered by AD rockets.

If people think targetting is bad with the current heal beams, these fancy ideas of multi-target healing or area healing would only make matters worst. At least now it is possible to have her focus the healing on a specific small group (if you know how to handle her AI) while she sits at the back of the attack group, putting some distance from potential harm.

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

Forum exclusive: Healers no longer trigger air traps - just keep clear of Air Defense!

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For the healer haters out there, WHOOOAAA!


This will make a huge difference to my Valkyrie Tornado tactic, which I just made a video for (waiting for it to be uploaded)


Not triggering air traps is a huge deal. This means you don't have to anticipate where trap locations are, or suffer an instant loss of your healer.

Awesome for Th9-10

Makes spring traps more important at Th8, but hey in war they weren't used that much anyway


Th7, your gonna get healer stomped - sorry

Normally barch farm, but will cook a healer and giants to supplement if I'm offline for a bit, then come back for a sweet storage raid.

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Originally Posted by Yoyobuae

No, no, no. That would mean she would either be healing the troops at the back (which don't need the healing) or sitting at the front getting hammered by AD rockets.

If people think targetting is bad with the current heal beams, these fancy ideas of multi-target healing or area healing would only make matters worst. At least now it is possible to have her focus the healing on a specific small group (if you know how to handle her AI) while she sits at the back of the attack group, putting some distance from potential harm.

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Not necessarily, its sort of a win win.

You can get your troops healed better but youre healer would be more exposed since she isnt healing from far away.

And troops in the back wouldnt need healing if troops in the front are being pounded. The healer is designed to heal the wounded not the healthy.

So much like the current system, the new and improved healer would heal bigger crowds but at closer range.

But this is merely an idea, no need to jump off our horses.

Because they take way too long to train and take up too much space to be useful past TH8.

Healers might have a comeback after this update.

Why are you all complaining when you dont even use them anymore

Tho for thread's sake, she needs to have better IQ. Seriously, like, why heal that one archer when she can heal the giant pack?