I am a town hall 7 with level 2 dragons and they get the job done but maybe a little too much, I 3 starred a decent town hall 9 and it seems as if the dragons are overpowered because a town hall 7 shouldn't be able to 3 star a decent town hall 9.
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I am a town hall 7 with level 2 dragons and they get the job done but maybe a little too much, I 3 starred a decent town hall 9 and it seems as if the dragons are overpowered because a town hall 7 shouldn't be able to 3 star a decent town hall 9.
If a th9 got three starred by level 2 dragons, I wouldn't describe him as "decent".Quote:
Originally Posted by PatKessinger
Define "decent" if he had air defense level 6 and his xbows weren't air that explains why..
no they're not
take a pic of the said "decent" TH9
your "decent" might be different from the "decent" of the general consensus
Well if you 3 stared a th 9 with lvl 2 dragons, it is no decent th 9 in any way, and no, dragons are not op.
IMO they should just decrease the HP and DPS of Dragons lv 1 and 2. Dragons are only op when they're attacking Th7s and TH8s. When attacking an advanced Th9 with 4 ADs sometimes it could be difficult to even 2 star without a plan/bringing some balloons maybe
Dragons are only OP at TH7, after that, you aren't going to get easy 3 stars on truly decent TH8s and up.
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Originally Posted by Cowbug
Th7vsTH7 = dragons OP
Zap the 1st AD = game over
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Originally Posted by PatKessinger
Nice lie lol. No lvl 2 dragons didn't 3 a decent th9 sorry.
No TH8 or lower can 3 star a decent TH9, period.
My level 4 dragons are under-powered enough that I have no use for them.
I'd call a TH 9 with 4 level 6 ADs decent depending on the other defenses; I mean 10 level 2 dragons plus a CC wouldn't 3 star a base with 4 level 6 ADs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenya
not true, I find my lower town hall clanmates love them 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
At TH7 possibly...but just about everything is overpowered against TH7 anyway which makes it a moot point.
Decent TH8 and up, Dragons have to be used very well to be successful.
Pic or it didn't happen.
For a 300K + Elixir Army, it does what it's supposed to do at TH7-TH8.
To be honest i dont really use dragons due to the training time, they are pretty good tho but i find without them being a decent level they struggle to cope against good air defense, im finding lava hounds pretty good!
Th7: OP
Th8: Extremely strong
TH9: Only good in war on early th9s, mixxed with max loons
Th10: UP
IMO of course.:)
Can you show us a pic of this "decent" TH9 you 3 starred?
I have dragons. Let me tell you one thing. I will never train a single one. They cost too much. The only reason i have them is so I can get the PEKKA and for visual looks.
Provide pictures of this so called "decent" TH 9...Quote:
Originally Posted by PatKessinger
If not, then this post is all bullsh*t..
For me dragons are between healers and goblins on the useless-o-meter.
They are only good at th7
I'm a th9 and level four dragons can't even 50% me. If they do it's barely 50%. The last war a th10 47% me with all lvl4 drags
any th9 that got 3 starred by level 2 dragons is nowhere near decentQuote:
Originally Posted by PatKessinger
can 3 star most th8'sQuote:
Originally Posted by kcfan491
Id personally think they are over priced esp at lvl 3 and 4
I think for TH7 vs TH7 definitely OP. I think the intention of SC is that you dont need a 250k-300k army for that.
TH8, good luck vs 3 Lvl6 AD.
TH9, pathetic if still running around with a bunch of lvl 3 drags 2-starring maxed TH8s.
Seriously from mid TH8 onwards WiPe does the job and cheaper
If only they became more like the dragons in the commercial... instead of fast and awesome, they are slow and worthless at th9 and 10.
The last dragon attack on my base was during the event and level 3 dragons were crushed by level 7 ADs before they even made it to the wall after the lower outside buildings.
if you plan well and use spells appropriately it can be done, level 6 loons in cc helpsQuote:
Originally Posted by mhwong
I have said this before...OP at th7 sure, but after that, any base can defend a 3 star from Dragons. They seriously need a buff for TH9 or TH10, because they are currently useless for TH9 and TH10.
Mass drags stops working mid th9
Um....I did. I was th8, went again a th9 in war, three stared him with all drags, mostly cause ik how to use them right. He had lvl 6 air defences too. So ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonmango42
Mind taking a screenshot?He probably had a bad base and honestly,"Ik how to use them right"makes me laugh,let's face it,drag takes no skill if you're just zapping one ad and spamming the rest in a line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew22
Op got pwned
Can i see the base you 3 starred?Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew22
Well, that "decent" TH9 guy must have been rubbish. Dragons are not OP. They are very expensive, have a high train time and, worst of all, are stupid. These guys must be programmed to avoid attacking air defences.
that's not true. A good hog strategy will take out decent TH 9, assuming its not a heavily anti hog designQuote:
Originally Posted by jonmango42
dragons are pretty easy to defend against once you have the third air defence and have upgraded telsa and archer tower. Once you have 4 air defence then its pretty much game over.
I have always been wondering if a ladrag ot ladragloon attack would work.
No, why? Is there something wrong with them? You have 2 options: No and No.
Correct, i still use it when i'm sure i can't 3star the base and want to bring home 2 stars, drags always get the job done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Animal1223
Even with good placement and 'control' over how they go (with help of royals) you can manage to 3star a strong Th9.
But yes, dragons aren't OP at all, you need good skill with it above th8 to perform good in wars
No, they aren't overpowered at all. There is a reason why they die after TH8...
I wanna see the decent th9, could use a good laugh.
Probably decent by th7 standards.
Seems legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatKessinger
Weren't we all back then like waaaw, a TH9 i can 3star :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
I suspect OP is the "decent TH9" and got 3 starred by a TH7...ooops.
The Poll makes me laugh:rolleyes:
Well I am sat waiting for a picture of the decent town hall 9. :rolleyes:
Lame attempt at trolling, move along.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatKessinger
That Th9 needs to work on base design.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatKessinger
If your poll had stated are level 2 dragons OP, I would of voted yes.
Outside of Th7 they slowly loss ground as a viable unit
Yes they are overpowered and I will tell you why. This is THE ONLY ATTACK that TH7s and TH8s can use, to get a high chance of 3 star in wars vs THs even or higher to them. It's annoying in wars beyond words. As a TH8 who is just about max now, I am SOOOO sick of mass dragons in war. I am dying to get to TH9 so I have other legit options for 3 stars in war. I mean you can try other war combos, but they have a much higher rate of failure, so everyone uses dragons.
If dragons weren't such a high % 3 star attack, with minimum skill, then it would make war so much more interesting. Imagine having to use different troops, to get 3 stars, instead of just plopping a bunch of dragons in a spot and using a few spells?? It's comical at TH7-8, almost every attack is dragons. At least now at Max TH8 defense, I have only been 1 starred with dragons in the last several wars, due to L6 AD and telas. BUT, until that point, it was 3 star city, both ways, every time.
newb alertQuote:
Originally Posted by Micker99
cant u see the results of the poll
do u honestly think ur right over the majority
lol SMH
They're fine as they are- do not change them.
They are only an issue on lower levels.
They are pretty worthless at TH9 and 10
Dragons could use a buff at TH10 and even TH9. They're pretty worthless against any half-developed TH9.
Like the others said, that's not a decent TH9. Or was their base just that bad?
Ummm yeah I am right. Show me a better war option at TH7 or TH8 than mass dragons?? Dragons at TH9 and TH10 are useless, but at TH7 and 8 they are overpowered in war. You my friend are the one who needs to learn more about CoC if you don't think that dragons at lower THs are OP in wars. Maybe you didn't war as a TH7 or 8 or rushed to a higher TH level(don't know what TH you are at now), but ummmm.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ULTRAELITE
Every war, all the TH7s and 8s, use mass dragons on both sides EVERY TIME. Well there are a few that don't and get low to no stars, but they are just being cheap.
My point is not that dragons aren't overpowered in the day to day game for lower level THs, they cost a lot and have high training time. BUT in war that doesn't matter and it's sucks that it's really THE option if you want an easy 3 star and be safe. Too easy. Would be nice to have to find a good troop combo or strategy at those THs, but no sense doing anything but dragons.
Hmm. Let's see. At th7, i don't deny that mass drag is the only viable strategy to be used in wars. Unless you can confidently 3star with Giant Healer, of course. However, i won't complain, because you don't stick around at th7 for a long time anyway, its quickly maxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micker99
For th8 though, you're just wrong. There are several other strategies SO much better than mass drag at th8. Gowipe, Govape, Gova, Mass Hogs, Loonion, Wipe, the list goes on. And those are just the conventional attacks, i trust you can come up with strategies unique to yourself, or that have never been effectively used before.
So yeah, you're just overreacting to such a petty issue. Only reason mass drag is popular at th8 is because its so noob friendly. I've seen very few people who can regularly 3* max th8s with mass drags. I don't mean to get into any argument or whatever, im just displaying the facts.
Btw, you do know that you can just design an anti air base and watch your opponents flop their drag attacks on your base? Seriously, brains, dude.
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Originally Posted by Alisreal
There are other strategies at TH8, but they come very late into TH8 and using Dragons is almost always a 3 star or at worst a 2 star. So the people who do take time leveling their golems and pekkas etc, like I did, really have no advantage. Hogs have a high chance of failing at TH7/8. Seen so many attacks go wrong for people with a good dgb placement or layout.
My point is that using dragons is just too easy of a strategy at TH7/8 and it sucks that you really have no incentive to risk any other attack. There is nothing easier and more effective and that shouldn't be the case. Balloons are good and I have used them to 3star many bases, but still not as high % 3 star chance as Level 3 dragons. Now at TH9 with L6 balloons and hounds, it's a whole new world and your real options for 3 star armies really explodes.
Like I said before, I don't get 3 starred by dragons anymore, but I'm about two weeks away from TH9, with max defenses. I do have brains dude, I just know the state of TH7/8 raiding.
Maybe we can agree on this. Dragons are way overpowered in war only, at TH7-mid TH8. Max TH8 on, they are a non issue. It's just in that range, they are a brain dead easy 3 star option, with no reason to use anything else. It doesn't force people to use any other troop combo and they don't develop skills like gowipe etc, until late TH8 or most likely TH9.
Even level 1 dragons are a no brainer on a TH 7 base. If you take out one AD with lightning, I think there is pretty close to a 0% chance of failure by just spamming dragons anywhere on the base. That is definitely OP.
I agree it gets a bit harder against a TH 8 base, but not much harder for most TH 8 bases. I think a TH 7 with level 2 dragons can 3-star ~75% of TH 8 bases with just a bit of strategy (start the drags in the right spot and use rage/lightning appropriately). I certainly was able to as a TH 7 and now as a TH 8 with level 2 drags. That is also OP.
True, they are definitely disadvantaged against TH 9 and 10, but with smart use of balloons and/or lava hounds, they can also be very effective.
I think it would be a better game if dragons were nerfed at the lower levels to make them less OP at TH 7, and maybe also reduce the cost at lower levels proportionately.
I'm a fairly new TH 8, and all I see and use in clan wars on TH 7/8 are drags, which can get pretty boring.
lol .... the last event, when they reduced the training time for dragons was hilarious --- Watching those mass dragons fail everytime when some th7 or 8 thought they'd like my DE .....
Utter garbage that a "decent th9" could be 3 starred by draogns.......
OP at TH7? -- probably --- but a decent mid/late TH8, should have no problems defending mass drags ....
That's theoretical, but not what I've seen in real wars. Sure there are designs that make it more difficult by luring dragons around the edge and centralizing the AD, but show me a base design that can't be 3 starred from any angle with dragons, especially with the help of max balloons. Remember, in clan wars the attacker can study the base for a whole day to find the weaknesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by victort
I have bounced around in many clans and have seen different clan types and make ups.
At Th7, dragons are so dominate its not even funny. There are other strategies, but with the effectiveness of dragons, few bother to use anything else. Giant/Healer can 3 star. Hogs can be worked in for 3 stars (with giants). .... But really their isn't many war troops in a Th7 repertoire.
But at Th8 their is a big difference between hardcore war clans and what they use verses the average clan.
The typical Th8 is pretty heavy in dragon usage, and they are still present in higher skill level war play
But when talking about skilled players Dragon attacks aren't even dominate at Th8. GoWiPe is frequent, GoWiVa, and Hogs are all used just as often if not more used. And in my opinion a good Giant/Healer attack is still powerful against certain base types at Th8. (on my little account I 3 star base with Giant/Healer/Hog)
Yes, early Th8 dragons still kick butt - but once that 3rd AD gets leveled and you adjust your base they really aren't more impressive than other Th8 strategies.
I 3 starred th9 in clan wars. ..period
In our clan we regularly joke about how stupid dragons are. "Oh, something is shooting at me; I think I will smell the pretty flowers." is how we put it.
A bit off topic but I've wondered if changing the AI so a dragon would go and attack whatever was attacking it might make them a bit more effective without being OP.
I'm not sure which side of the debate you're on, but what you said seems to help prove that dragons are OP even at TH 8. Sure, if you're very skilled you can use other attacks, but it doesn't take much skill to 3 star with mass dragons against most TH 8 bases. If they were less powerful, then others might try other approaches like what you mention. This would also help prepare them for TH9, where those types of attacks are more of a necessity.Quote:
Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer
Dragons are really strong against Th7. Pretty easy for 3 stars and people get hooked on them. Once you go Th8 it starts taking considerable skill to get 3 stars past mid way point. Once a Th8 has higher level teslas, higher level archer towers, and air defense lvl 6, dragons are no longer your best bet. Hogs are by far the best attack on Th8 bases in my opinion but many players do not level their hogs. At Th9 dragons are pretty much useless unless you enjoy 1 star attacks with a possibility of 2 stars.
This is my take from a pretty successful Th7/8 focused war clan. We are very good with our dragons but those top th8 bases require countless attacks with dragons to get a 3 star. We also encouter clans that use a majority of mass dragon attacks and they fail to 3 star most of our th8 bases. I think the dragon is fine just where it is. Its balance is just right. Mid to top level Th8 is a chore for our skilled dragon players and its much easier to use hogs and 3 star those bases. We don't use dragons at all on Th9 bases as they are to weak to get a 3 star, ever. This observation is from clan wars where we go up against well leveled bases most of the time. We don't allow premie Th in our clan so we rarely get matched up against them. I would assume if your clan has a bunch of premature bases and you get matched up against similar clans the dragons would be more OP or seem more OP.
No I find they are quite stupid. Haven't used them in months.
This is what I meant in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram979
Dragons are not over powered, l2p. If your Air Defense is under developed or poorly placed then prepare to be eating alive by air units in general.
At higher level of play dragons are useless. I have a decent base for a TH9, but I just watched a TH10 player throw an army composition at me that had 7 max level dragons and used 5 spells and only got 39% on me.
If anything, dragons need some serious work.
Useless-o-meter:Quote:
Originally Posted by kcfan491
Can Three star one TH up Good OK Bad Will never use and have never used in clash
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Dragons are OK. WAY too costly but today in my rage of getting 48% on a th9 whose BK killed my giants turned my valve and I......TRAINED DRAGONS.
They're overpowered for a TH 8 as they can 3 star every TH 8 base, for a town hall 9, thats when they get severely weak. And town hall 10, they're pure ****
If you're a th8 and you get three starred by dragons, you're a very, VERY bad th8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highfive
HogsQuote:
Originally Posted by Micker99
10 chars
On this, I do actually think dragons need to be changed slightly.
Lv 1 & 2 Dragon should have their HP dropped a little. As TH7, early TH8 are getting slaughtered by them brainlessly.
Lv 3 Dragon is fine. As that is a late TH8/TH9 troop. To beat a strong TH8 or early TH9 you need to be smart with Dragons to win.
Lv 4 Dragon should have it's HP increased a little. As they die far too quickly against TH10 bases. Lavaloonion is miles ahead as the air troop to use.
Since more buildings (storages recently) have been buffed with more health points, dragons have gotten weaker. If the pattern continues where more buildings get hp buffs, then they would maybe have to rebalance dragons. But for now they are balanced, in my opinion.
The big thing with dragons that makes them so useless at higher levels is that they are only really effective en masse. Not really sure what they could do to change that though.
They are the same as all troops. You need the right strategy and base to attack. In our last war our number 1 player (Lv 135, almost max TH10 except walls) was attacked by a combo of giants, hogs and then a majority dragons. Excellent attack. Well executed and got 2 stars with 54% and town hall.
All troops can suck if you use them badly or on the wrong base but to say Drags are useless on high bases is simply untrue.
Lavaloonion > any dragon based attack against TH10s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holps
They're not OP. OP is when you deploy troops anywhere you want and they 3-star a base with your eyes closed. That's not the case for TH8 at least.. Yes, lvl 3 mass drag can destroy ANY TH8 (maxed also), but you need a good strat to do that (read: it requires some skill actually).
How??? Seriously, how??? Using Dragon and balloon to 2* a TH10 is possible. I do that all the time as a Th9. You have to choose the right base, and attack really well. But, a combination of Giants, hogs and dragon... how does him 2* almost max TH10 with it? Did your no1 AD is expose or something? Otherwise, it's just simply not possible :| Cobination of Ground and Air attack is never a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holps
Have you ever tried attacking a TH8 with dragons? I've done it dozens of times both as a TH7 and TH8 with just level 1 and level 2 dragons, and I've only failed to 3 star once. That includes max or near max TH 8 bases. If you can't 3 star most TH8 bases with dragons then you don't know how to use dragons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defishensee
While i don't doubt your statement, i somehow have GREAT difficulty in believing that you managed to 3* a max th8 with L1 dragons.Quote:
Originally Posted by fplant
Most of my attacks have been with level 2 dragons, so you're likely correct. That said, dragons don't improve much between levels, which is really the entire problem. They start out OP (IMO) at TH7, and don't get much better, so they are weak at TH9 and TH10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisreal
This right here sums up the issue with dragon. Level 1 is too strong, and level 4 is too weak, because the upgrades are too small. They should nerf level 1, but make the upgrades bigger, so that level 4 gets a buff.Quote:
Originally Posted by fplant
The difference between a level 1 dragon and a level 3 dragon is basically the difference between a level 5 AD and a level 6 AD. Either way, it's 10 rockets. The difference between a level 4 dragon and a level 7 AD is even worse for the dragons: 2500 hit points versus 280 DPS, so it's only 9 rockets to down a dragon!
This might be okay, if TH7 through TH9 all had the same number of AD's. But TH7 only gets 2, TH8 gets 3, and TH9 gets 4!
3-starring a TH7 is as simple as dropping 3 lightning spells and then dropping 10 dragons anywhere you want. All in one spot, or in a wave, or a V. Heck, you can come in from all directions, place one on each side, one in each corner, and drop the last 2 wherever. It doesn't matter. Don't even need the CC or the BK.
At TH8, especially a maxed TH8, it can take a lot of patience and planning, but 3 stars is still doable. Might need level 5/6 balloons in the CC and a minimum level 5 BK, but it's doable. I've actually started doing 8 dragons with 8 balloons at TH8, and had better luck than just dragons. Depends on how they protected the AD. If it's protected with storages, then I use balloons to snipe the AD's. Just make sure the AD is locked on a dragon with lots of health first, so the balloons have time to reach the AD. If the AD is protected by several defenses (i.e., it's behind several defenses), the balloons probably will get distracted for too long. But the dragons will get there faster (defenses have less health than storages), so definitely all dragons.
At TH9, dragons are a joke. 3 lightnings barely makes a scratch in the aerial defense network. Rage or heal? Versus 4 AD's? Not much better. And you're walking into 4 SAM's, which basically one-shot a dragon. Even if the dragon survives the SAM, it will have so little health left that a single archer tower or wizard tower can take it down in seconds.
Tbh it couldve been a "decent" th9 but with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed base. He could have put all his air defenses in corners he still could be decent but he'd just have a ♥♥♥♥ base
I fail to see how a troop that is only useful from TH7-mid TH8 is overpowered. Most troops have relevance all the way through TH10. Giants, barbs, archers, loons, minions . . . How can a troop that because useless at TH8 be overpowered?
When you're sitting at TH7 to mid TH8 they are OP. Name one other troop that, when first unlocked, allows you to essentially destroy all bases at you TH level, and even many one level up with little or no thought or strategy. Why does it have to be OP everywhere to be OP?Quote:
Originally Posted by iceageg
Depends on your definition of decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatKessinger