A few suggestions from long-time player (balance TH 8, clan-ban, etc)

Hey guys, let me preface this by apologizing for the long post and give some quick background info. I've been playing for about a year and have a mid TH9 account and mid TH8 account. I don't gem, aside from buying the extra builder (I'm a grad student so that's where all the money goes :() and I am part of a very active 100% war adult clan. You'll never see me on the top leaderboards or posting sponsored videos, but I love the strategy and have a pretty good feel for the game. That said, I have a few suggestions that I think would improve the game we all secretly play while we go to the bathroom at work.

Make Wizards Pull the Trigger: Once a wizard starts his attack sequence, make him follow through no matter what. Wizards will make you pull your hair out if you ever try to take out some clan castle troops with them. You watch them find a target, roll their sleeves back, rub their hands together, wind up and then - nothing. Once that one archer they were looking at gets killed they completely stop and start over. Often, a bunch of troops are in one pack and vulnerable to splash damage yet the wizard gets cold feet and starts all over while arrows rain down on them. The long reload time makes them hadouken a whole bunch of nothing. Make it so that when they start their attack sequence they complete the attack before switching targets, even if the target is destroyed.

Buff Hogs against Skeleton Traps: Adjust skeletons to only do 1/2 damage to hog riders.
The purpose of this is not as much for hog lover as it is for all the warring TH 8's out there. When the Halloween update came out it effectively killed the hog rider as a viable war troop. I'll admit, I love hogs and I think they were fairly balanced. As a TH 8 you had to make a considerable investment of 50,000 DE to get the hogs to level 3 before they were viable, but once you did they provided a completely unique attacking strategy. If you hit a base with too many open spaces or were just a little too late with that last heal spell *poof*-everything disappears. But when you got it right they were effective. The additional mortar definitely nerfed them by bringing in more splash damage and giving hogs 1 more building to take out before attacking the king that has been wailing on them for the past 90 seconds, but skeleton traps killed the hog rider. With two level 2 traps, those skeletons do 150 DPS and just chew up the hogs who are too far into the base for archers, wizards or dragons to help clear the skeletons off their back.

As a result, TH 8's are essentially 1 dimensional in war. Against any decent base dragons are by far and away the best attack strategy now, and it boring. GoWiPe is usable but unless you're packing witches in your CC you're shooting for a 2 star at best. At TH9 there are so many viable options (GoWiPe, GoWiWi, DragLoonian, Quad Lavaloonian, etc.) which makes it a lot of fun, but not at TH8. Help give the TH 8's some other attack options for players to add variability and balance to the game.

Gem War Bonus: Add gems to the war bonus loot.
Pretty simple idea that rewards warring (which drives the game's popularity and is obviously a focus of supercell after they nearly doubled the clan war bonus a few months ago). It doesn't have to be a lot and should be added ratably like the current gold/elixer/dark elixer bonuses. 1 Gem for every 25-50,000 gold/elixer would be a fair amount.

Count War-Base Troop Donations: The troops donated to war bases should be included in a player's donation count. This one really feels like a no-brainer to me and I don't know why it hasn't been implemented already. Donating troops for war base defense should could towards a player's troop donation total and towards the "Friend in Need" achievement.

The Clan-Ban: Allow leaders to permanently ban players from requesting to join the clan. There could be a list available to only leaders/co-leaders showing the banned players and allowing them to un-ban them as well.
This one is pretty simple and hopefully you never have to deal with it but I know a few of you out there have experienced this. We kicked a kid about 6 months back who just wasn't pulling his weight and, as an adult clan, wasn't the best place for a 6th grader. However, every week or so he sends a join request and his message varies anywhere from annoying to nasty. Sure, its easy to reject but its a pretty annoying nuisance we endure that can easily be fixed. Again, I'm sure 95% of you don't have to deal with this but the 5% who do know how annoying that is.

Clan War Chat: Create a chat or message ability so that warring clans can message each other. Sure, your first concern is vulgar/hateful trash talk and that is a legitimate concern but its also a concern on global chat as well. Make it an option for the leaders to either enable/disable the chat so they clans can talk to each other only if both leaders enable it. If, at any time things get out of hand or either side gets tired, they just disable the chat and its over. Plus, there would also be the "report" button we have in global chat to help moderate things.

Adjust the Valkyrie
This one is last because I don't have a great solution here. It's no secret that the valk is the least used troop and for good reason. She spends too much time running around and not enough time doing anything of value. The last AI logic adjustment attempted to maximize her damage by hitting as many buildings as possible but unfortunately it makes her worse. Once once building is destroyed she'll stop, run to another spot and try again even if the other bordering structures are still standing. All the while she's eating cannonballs and x-bow blasts. One idea is to let her continue to attack until every building she attacks is destroyed. Or give her an ability (for example, she can be damaged by traps but will never set them off) to add value to her.

I know its a bit of a long read but with 30+ views somebody has to have an opinion either way on at least one of these...

Dude just rush to th9, problem fixed.
personally I dislike all of these ideas And also self bumping is against the forums rules.

I agree with everything you said, but I don't think they'll add gem rewards to war loot. As a fellow student, I know where your coming from, but SC is too greedy.

The Valkyrie has needed something new for a while, maybe increased attack speed or speculated attack. It would be really useful to have a troop that target the TH. I don't think it will happen, probably be overpowered then.

As as for war chat, it might work, but I don't think they'll introduce it so clans don't conspire to lose to gain loot bonus etc.

I agree with your wizard idea. I hate it when my wizards start firing blanks because the troop they were going to hit died. To further add on to that idea I think that your troops should attack random clan castle troops instead of all focusing on the same one. I hate it when 20 of my archers shoot at one archer while the cc archers target several different troops of mine.

I never use hogs but if you are right about those skellies doing 150 dps then I think that should be nerfed as well. Especially since hogs aren't that good until level 4 or 5.

I don't think Super Cell will add gems to the war bonus. They'd be losing a little bit of money.

I have always been against war castle troops being counted towards donations. You could donate 5 giants, get the 25 troop donations, and annoy the person who got the giants. If you did that for every war castle then you could get up to 1225 donations a war.

I fall in the 95% of people who haven't have to deal somebody spamming the request button so I guess I'm neutral on this one.

As for the Valkyrie, I think she should spin continuously until all of the buildings that she was attacking are destroyed. I also think her attack radius could be slightly bigger to help her out. If she becomes to OP then Super Cell can slightly nerf her.

Make Wizards Pull the Trigger: Once a wizard starts his attack sequence, make him follow through no matter what. I think the wind up should be shortened actually. its very long.
Buff Hogs against Skeleton Traps: Adjust skeletons to only do 1/2 damage to hog riders.
I agree that the hogs got a bit over nerfed. They did need something but I think they should keep their effectiveness to a higher level base than where it is right now. I don't know if the skellies are the answer or not.

Gem War Bonus: Add gems to the war bonus loot.
We all want more free stuff from SC, but its their wallet so their call.

Count War-Base Troop Donations: The troops donated to war bases should be included in a player's donation count. Its exploitable because they gave us the ability to edit war cc. They would have to take it away to caount the troops. I prefer the editing ability in that trade off.

The Clan-Ban: Allow leaders to permanently ban players from requesting to join the clan. There could be a list available to only leaders/co-leaders showing the banned players and allowing them to un-ban them as well.
Yes yes yes. I think only leader should be able to do it, but leader can pick a name and have a button to ban. That way you can ban a guy names Jonah and if another Jonah shows up you know its not the same guy.

Clan War Chat: Create a chat or message ability so that warring clans can message each other. Probably not a good idea. Nice guys like you would use it well. But in practice it would be a lot of cussing and lead to abuses then reports. Just asking for trouble.

Adjust the Valkyrie
I think you are mistaken here sir. The Valkyrie is a defensive troop, the only troop in the game designed specifically for defense. (Look it up in wiki). Its easily the most effective too. We use them heavily in our war cc and they seriously mess up the opposition. I would not want them to mess around with this at all.

I realize a lot of people don't realize this and give up on them after they try them on offence and their traits are not great for the cost, space, and time to make. But the trrop should not be changed.

Give it a try. they tank, they are fast, and their attack method is great for the way attacking troops bunch up. One valk can decimate a giant raid or a barb raid. And pretty good on hogs too. because of toughness and speed will run drags around too. its funny when a drag finally gets to the middle then chases a valk all the way back outside. A couple valks can take down a BK too. even if a valk doesn't kill a golem or bk 9and sometimes she does) she takes a chunk of health off them.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Make Wizards Pull the Trigger: Once a wizard starts his attack sequence, make him follow through no matter what. I think the wind up should be shortened actually. its very long.
Buff Hogs against Skeleton Traps: Adjust skeletons to only do 1/2 damage to hog riders.
I agree that the hogs got a bit over nerfed. They did need something but I think they should keep their effectiveness to a higher level base than where it is right now. I don't know if the skellies are the answer or not.

Gem War Bonus: Add gems to the war bonus loot.
We all want more free stuff from SC, but its their wallet so their call.

Count War-Base Troop Donations: The troops donated to war bases should be included in a player's donation count. Its exploitable because they gave us the ability to edit war cc. They would have to take it away to caount the troops. I prefer the editing ability in that trade off.

The Clan-Ban: Allow leaders to permanently ban players from requesting to join the clan. There could be a list available to only leaders/co-leaders showing the banned players and allowing them to un-ban them as well.
Yes yes yes. I think only leader should be able to do it, but leader can pick a name and have a button to ban. That way you can ban a guy names Jonah and if another Jonah shows up you know its not the same guy.

Clan War Chat: Create a chat or message ability so that warring clans can message each other. Probably not a good idea. Nice guys like you would use it well. But in practice it would be a lot of cussing and lead to abuses then reports. Just asking for trouble.

Adjust the Valkyrie
I think you are mistaken here sir. The Valkyrie is a defensive troop, the only troop in the game designed specifically for defense. (Look it up in wiki). Its easily the most effective too. We use them heavily in our war cc and they seriously mess up the opposition. I would not want them to mess around with this at all.

I realize a lot of people don't realize this and give up on them after they try them on offence and their traits are not great for the cost, space, and time to make. But the trrop should not be changed.

Give it a try. they tank, they are fast, and their attack method is great for the way attacking troops bunch up. One valk can decimate a giant raid or a barb raid. And pretty good on hogs too. because of toughness and speed will run drags around too. its funny when a drag finally gets to the middle then chases a valk all the way back outside. A couple valks can take down a BK too. even if a valk doesn't kill a golem or bk 9and sometimes she does) she takes a chunk of health off them.

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All your opinions are valid but the valks....
they don't seriously mess up troops. They seriously destroy the attackers hopes of winning. I legit lose a lot of troops to those gals lol. They're a great defensive unit in my op.

I would just like to say, don't apologize for the long thread. Take a quick look at Mastermind's threads, they're easily 5x if not 10x as long. Explaining your ideas thoroughly is what is applauded and looked for in this subforum.

Make Wizards Pull the Trigger: Once a wizard starts his attack sequence, make him follow through no matter what.
I like this idea. I HATE it when wizards fire like once every battle because they stop mid-attack.

Buff Hogs against Skeleton Traps: Adjust skeletons to only do 1/2 damage to hog riders.
Can't say much about this one. I don't use hogs:rolleyes:

Gem War Bonus: Add gems to the war bonus loot.
SC gives enough free gems to players. Adding gems to the bonus loot is just too much.

Count War-Base Troop Donations: The troops donated to war bases should be included in a player's donation count. I am against this one. It may be good for a hardcore, strict war clan, but for most clans, someone will donate giants just to boost their donation count.

The Clan-Ban: Allow leaders to permanently ban players from requesting to join the clan. There could be a list available to only leaders/co-leaders showing the banned players and allowing them to un-ban them as well.
Can't say much about this one either. I haven't come across these kinds of people.

Clan War Chat: Create a chat or message ability so that warring clans can message each other.
This idea is kind of useless. Pretty much another way to be immature. What else would you talk about anyway?

Adjust the Valkyrie
Valks are not bad, just underrated.

Make Wizards Pull the Trigger: Once a wizard starts his attack sequence, make him follow through no matter what.
Yes! Definitely!

Buff Hogs against Skeleton Traps: Adjust skeletons to only do 1/2 damage to hog riders.
I'm not an avid hog-user, so I wouldn't know.

Gem War Bonus: Add gems to the war bonus loot.
I really don't see this happening because it would cause SC to lose $$.

Count War-Base Troop Donations: The troops donated to war bases should be included in a player's donation count.
I'm against this one because some, and I'm not saying everyone, but some people will spam war bases just to get donations up. Wall breakers, anyone?

The Clan-Ban: Allow leaders to permanently ban players from requesting to join the clan. There could be a list available to only leaders/co-leaders showing the banned players and allowing them to un-ban them as well.
I can see how this would be useful. Maybe have a longer cooldown timer instead for consecutive join request denials?

Clan War Chat: Create a chat or message ability so that warring clans can message each other.
No - would lead to aggressive / rude banter between clans.

Adjust the Valkyrie
I haven't used valks too much, but I can definitely attest to their strong defensive skills, making them okay the way they are.

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

All your opinions are valid but the valks....
they don't seriously mess up troops. They seriously destroy the attackers hopes of winning. I legit lose a lot of troops to those gals lol. They're a great defensive unit in my op.

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But that's what I was saying about them.

In our current war we put max valks in the CC and guys are getting stoned by our lowest players. They look at the base and come in with a barb swarm and out pops the valk and that's the end of that. It makes for great replays. Also watched one kill a few barbs then shrug off a couple lightning spell hits after which the guy gave up and sent his giants anyhow, and she killed them all at once while they were trying to get through the first wall. I think the replay option needs to show the attackers facial expression on some of these.

Make Wizards Pull the Trigger:
They should be able to make this, like what they did to mortars, with this change, we might see a more balanced air vs ground troop comp (as of now, lavaloonians are really overwhelming)

Buff Hogs against Skeleton Traps:
this is kinda backwards, and tedious to do, they have to make another "skeleton" troop from scratch if they do this, plus, make a code for damage reduction (its different with favorite target/increased damage), if they directly attach this to skeletons, Witches will get affected (witch's skeletons has the same stats with the ones in the trap, so I'm assuming the came from the same 'source')

Gem War Bonus:
nope, SC won't do this

Count War-Base Troop Donations:
there's a reason why it's not counted, it's exploitable, won't delve into this too much

The Clan-Ban:
Fair enough.... but I think this is hard to implement

Clan War Chat:
50-50 on this, as it can be a potential Flamebait and a spark to toxicity

Adjust the Valkyrie
there are lots of ways to adjust valkyries, what ever SC works with is fine to me
I do hope there would be more changes for this troop

Thanks for the feedback, I realize the self-bump was against the rules but I see so many "Gimme this!" suggestions just polluting the forums I had to try and get a real discussion going :). And I appreciate the actual, rational thoughts coming out of this.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Adjust the Valkyrie
I think you are mistaken here sir. The Valkyrie is a defensive troop, the only troop in the game designed specifically for defense. (Look it up in wiki). Its easily the most effective too. We use them heavily in our war cc and they seriously mess up the opposition. I would not want them to mess around with this at all.

I realize a lot of people don't realize this and give up on them after they try them on offence and their traits are not great for the cost, space, and time to make. But the trrop should not be changed.

Give it a try. they tank, they are fast, and their attack method is great for the way attacking troops bunch up. One valk can decimate a giant raid or a barb raid. And pretty good on hogs too. because of toughness and speed will run drags around too. its funny when a drag finally gets to the middle then chases a valk all the way back outside. A couple valks can take down a BK too. even if a valk doesn't kill a golem or bk 9and sometimes she does) she takes a chunk of health off them.

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I agree with you on this and use them all the time for my defensive cc. I'll also carry 1 to clear a bunch of enemy cc archers after i wrangle them up. Maybe that is all Supercell wants out of them, and that's fair, but I would like to see a tweak to the offensive attacking logic so they could become more viable on offense.

As for the war donations, I have only been in pretty solid war clans for the last few months so I haven't dealt with players who would abuse it. That said, I don't think it's any more abusable than regular requests as you can cancel your own cc. In war, you can only donate a max of 5 troops per base so that would help limit it. And if you get caught donating giants you'll get kicked faster than Jack Black Baxter off the bridge. Maybe a compromise would be to count these donations on your clan's scoreboard, but not towards the gem achievement. This would also help weed out the guys who donate a million giants, if indeed that really is a risk.

I think the Wizard attack issue could be solved by just increasing the attack speed - double it just as they did with the Archer Tower in the recent update. DPS would remain the same, but each attack would only deal half the damage.

I don't like the skeleton trap idea. As TH8 with fully maxed defensive buildings, the only thing that has reliably hit me for 3 stars in war is an all hog attack, and it usually takes level 4 to do me in (I'm talking about being hit by another TH8 - I get 3 starred by TH9 all the time!...usually as they play clean up.) Even a well placed double GB can be counteracted by a heal spell, so I welcome the addition of troops that will eat away at as many hogs as possible as they destroy my defenses.

Gem bonus would be nice, but anything more than 5-10 for a war win is too much, and in the grand scheme of things 5-10 gems isn't going to do much......I spend more than that boosting barracks, spell factory and/or King during war.

CW donations - doesn't really bother me. What really bothers me is the inability to dismiss individual troops like we can in our army camps or regular CC. I would like the ability to dump 4 archers and receive a wiz, or dump 2 wiz and receive a valk instead of having to dump every unit of the arch or wiz.

Clan ban - already exisits to an extent. If a user is kicked, they usually have to wait 24 hours before being able to request to join again....unless you have elders re-inviting the user. Just accept and kick. Annoying? Yes, but it's effective.

Clan war chat - have wanted this before, but I think it offers too many options for abuse.

Valk - like the valk. Hate SC messing with troop AI, so I'm hesitant to suggest any troop changes because they are far more likely to break something than actually fix it.