Add Defense Incentives

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Hmm, an interesting twist... Not sure I agree with letting people attack you over and over without at least some of the loot coming from you. Otherwise we could put our storages and the economy would have endless resources.


How about this though: if your TH isn't destroyed, only xx% of the resources come from you, with the rest created out of thin air? Like 50% as a basic starting point for discussion. As a TH8 offering 300k resources (the cap), you'd only lose 150k per raid if you can protect your TH.

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Like I said, it is a fledgling idea. So in the interest of keeping the TH valued . . . if they kill the TH 100% of the loot taken comes from the victim. If the TH survives the amount taken from the victim is the inverse of the % damage done. So if they put their storages out in the corner and the attacker gets 200,000 with 10% damage, 180,000 comes from their loot and 20,000 comes out of thin air. But if they do 80% damage (and TH survives) only 40,000 is taken and the other 160,000 comes from thin air. This would incentivize making the attacker wade through your defenses to get to your loot while still taking a percentage from the victim village every attack.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Like I said, it is a fledgling idea. So in the interest of keeping the TH valued . . . if they kill the TH 100% of the loot taken comes from the victim. If the TH survives the amount taken from the victim is the inverse of the % damage done. So if they put their storages out in the corner and the attacker gets 200,000 with 10% damage, 180,000 comes from their loot and 20,000 comes out of thin air. But if they do 80% damage (and TH survives) only 40,000 is taken and the other 160,000 comes from thin air. This would incentivize making the attacker wade through your defenses to get to your loot while still taking a percentage from the victim village every attack.

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This is terrible, this is whats already happening with the first idea!,, I want to protect loot, See what I understood is that the attacker comes, Robs your storages, doesn't get the th but gets 200k from thin air, if they rob you and get the th they get it from you. With this the loot willl increase and there will be no bad loot so long as all puts their stores out and th in.

I couldn't bring myself to read all of the posts in this thread but something that seemed to keep coming up was the lack of respect defense gets in this game, and people should be rewarded for good defense. Think of any sport or game that gives you bonuses for good defense? In CoC, the points (score keeping base unit) are either trophies or loot based on your preference. If you are saving loot, you probably have your TH exposed for an easy shield and less chance of a big loot attack, if you are doing trophies you probably have your town hall inside.

I digress a bit, I think in CoC (as in any sport) defense is always something that is much more intangible but just as equally important. I think if loot bonuses came into successful defenses, that would be equivalent for giving the defensive basketball team 1 point for blocking the other teams shot. The benefit is that you blocked their shot, they DIDN'T get what they would of had you not did what you did.

Defense is about what you prevent others from getting and offense is about getting from others. I cannot quantify how much loot I have not lost due to my base set up, it's boring for sure, but to say because it isn't as fun it should be buffed is against the idea of a Defense if it becomes a tangible means to gain loot. Defense in CoC is defense in any other competitive event ever invented, less flashy, just as important but harder to quantify.

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Originally Posted by BlahBlah161616

NOOOOOO! I want my free shields...now I really hate this thread... Not just the word incentive.

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Before you panic too much, why is it that you need that shield? The incentive here is to actually be compensated in a way where you can be attacked and not feel like you are being unfairly punished for no other reason for having a large amount of loot.

Because it works both ways, if you don't feel like it is too bad, and can get by without a shield, others will feel the same, which means more open targets for you to attack! Granted, that is a simplification, but that's the core idea. How that comes about is what we are figuring out. If you get some attack bonus when raided, or some training time boost, or some banked shield time you can use when you want it, etc, with be added fun bonuses to the game. And making the game fun is the main reason for this entire effort.

If the incentive is not pleasing enough for people like you to use, and feel like things are better off with a shield, then there is not enough incentive. Note, I am not wanting any disincentive to stop you from using your farming base layout. I am not going to suggest something that makes your layout less helpful. But I will suggest things that should be better than what you are currently using.

It is the difference between positive and negative reinforcement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement). I will use positive reinforcement to solve this, but will not use any negative reinforcement to stopping people from using the exposed Town Hall layout, ever! There are very liftle options right now to even progress in this game without using a farming base, and pushing people out of that method of play is a very very bad idea right now. I am wanting to give people options so they have more to work with than just the farming base.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Like I said, it is a fledgling idea. So in the interest of keeping the TH valued . . . if they kill the TH 100% of the loot taken comes from the victim. If the TH survives the amount taken from the victim is the inverse of the % damage done. So if they put their storages out in the corner and the attacker gets 200,000 with 10% damage, 180,000 comes from their loot and 20,000 comes out of thin air. But if they do 80% damage (and TH survives) only 40,000 is taken and the other 160,000 comes from thin air. This would incentivize making the attacker wade through your defenses to get to your loot while still taking a percentage from the victim village every attack.

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Thinking about it more from the possibility of adding too much loot to the system, perhaps a shield after your available loot has been taken or 3 TH survived attacks. This would reduce the flood of out of thin air resources potentially introduced but still offer 3x the number of available bases to attack, theoretically reducing the number of nexts it takes to find a worthwhile attack.

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Originally Posted by firestar123

This is terrible, this is whats already happening with the first idea!,, I want to protect loot, See what I understood is that the attacker comes, Robs your storages, doesn't get the th but gets 200k from thin air, if they rob you and get the th they get it from you. With this the loot willl increase and there will be no bad loot so long as all puts their stores out and th in.

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You either did not read that entire paragraph or are simply blind with rage and incapable of critical thinking. It penalizes putting your storages outside by taking more directly from you. Best case scenario (added in a subsequent post) you successfully defend 3 times and get your precious shield, loose less than you potentially could have, and 3 people potentially hit next 60% less than before.

Update to my initial idea on the previous page compiling some of the feedback received. Again, in an effort to make the TH your most valuable building, add more people worth attacking to the queue, and rewarding defense . . .


1) When you log off your available loot at that moment becomes your shield trigger (no more shield for a TH kill). Once you have lost that amount of loot added together by all attackers you get your shield.
2) You also get a shield if you have survived 3 attacks without giving up your maximum. If 3 attackers can't take enough to add up to your limit your defense is rewarded with a shield.
3) If your TH dies 100% of the loot taken comes from your loot. Doesn't matter how much it was, it comes from your available loot cap.
4) If your TH lives the loot comes partially from you and partially "from thin air". The loot that comes from thin air is the % damage done. The loot that comes from you is the % of your base remaining.
5) Everybody sees your maximum total available loot even if you have already been attacked. If a previous attack took some of your available loot the "from thin air" loot covers the difference on subsequent attacks. You can't loose more than if you had been wiped the first attack
6) Revenge gets it's own separate shield timers.


How does it all work? Lets use the 200,000 loot available when you log off number again and work a few scenarios.

Scenario #1 (Base layout doesn't matter because 100%):
If somebody attacks you for 100% you loose it all and get a shield because you have given up all of your available loot. No change there.
Result - You loose 200,000 and get a shield. 1 attacker got 200,000

Scenario #2 (most likely you have a TH exposed village):
If 3 players in a row attack you for 50,000 each and all of them kill your TH it works like this
Player 1 sees 200,000 (your maximum available before shield), kills your TH, gets 50,000 and because they killed your TH it all comes from you. You now have 150,000 available to be taken.
Player 2 sees 200,000 (still your maximum available), kills your TH, gets 50,000 and because they killed your TH it all comes from you. You now have 100,000 available to be taken.
Player 3 sees 200,000 (Still your maximum available), kills your TH, gets 50,000 and because they killed your TH it all comes from you. Since this is the third attack and you have not had your maximum taken you are rewarded with a shield after loosing just 150,000.
Result - you loose 150,000 of 200,000 then get a shield. 3 attackers got 50,000 each.

Scenario #3 (You put your storages outside with your TH protected):
Only 2 players will likely attack you because it will take only two to get all of your loot.
Player #1 does 10% damage killing only your storages and gets all 200,000. Because he did not kill your TH only 10% of the loot comes from thin air. 180,000 comes from you, leaving 20,000 available to be taken from you and leaving you in the queue to be attacked.
Player #2 does 10% damage killing only your storages and gets all 200,000. Because he did not kill your TH he would normally take 90% of your loot. But since you only have 20,000 left from your loot cap he takes that and gets 180,000 from thin air.
Result - You loose 200,000 to two attacks then a shield. 2 players get 200,000 each.

Scenario #4 (exactly the same as scenario #3 except you protect your storages and TH):
Player #1 brings a strong army and does 80% damage to your base but the TH survives. He gets 150,000 loot but because your TH survived only 20% is taken from your loot. You loose 30,000 and 120,000 comes from thing air.
Player #2 still sees 200,000 available but is a bit weaker. They attack for 66% and manage 90,000. 30,000 comes from you and 60,000 comes from thin air.
Player #3 still sees 200.000 and storms in. They manage 95% before time runs out. Your TH survives but they still got 200,000 loot. You pay out 5% of that for 10,000 and the other 190,000 comes from thin air. Also since this is the third attack you get your shield.
Result - you loose 70,000 of 200,000 to three good attacks and get a shield for good defense. Three players got 150,000 120,000 and 200,000 respectively for good attacks.

Scenario #5 (farm attacks when collectors are empty):
Player #1 barches for 50% and only taps some of the storage loot for 50,000. You pay 25,000 and 25,000 comes from thin air.
Player #2 barches for 50% and only taps some of the storage loot for 50,000. You pay 25,000 and 25,000 comes from thin air.
Player #3 barches for 50% and only taps some of the storage loot for 50,000. You pay 25,000 and 25,000 comes from thin air.
Result - You loose 75,000 of 200,000 to three attacks and get a shield. Three players got 50,000 each.

Scenario #6 (farm attacks when collectors are full):
Player #1 barches for 50% and scores 200,000. You pay 100,000 and 100,000 comes from thin air.
Player #2 barches for 50% and scores 200,000. You pay 100,000 and 100,000 comes from thin air.
Result - You loose 200,000 to two attacks and get a shield because your loot cap was met. Two players got 200,000 each.


I am sure I'm missing something here but with the stated goals above (more bases to attack, reward defense, value TH and storages) I think it is a fairly solid alternative. Warren? This is your thread and favorite topic.

a percentage of league bonus would be a nice defense reward. & help stimulate the economy.

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Originally Posted by immortalzrizing

a percentage of league bonus would be a nice defense reward. & help stimulate the economy.

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This is what I was thinking but it may be abused if there were an organized help a fellow clasher by dropping a hero event. How about a percentage of the cost of the troops deployed?

Since people are against giving something for a successful defence and having any incentive for making a strong base. How about go the other way ... make it a disadvantage for having a exposed TH.

Have the TH hold more loot say 5% ( or some %) and have it hold dark elixir as well. So if you have 2 mil gold your TH would hold 100k. If you want you can leave it exposed and lose only that amount from someone just picking up trophies or you can try and protect it.

When I started another thread about rewards for defence, in part my biggest issue is just how many people have farming bases and make no attempt at trying to win a battle (just want a shield). Revenge is almost a useless function since most players have a shield all the time since they have the farming bases.

Increasing the TH storage, doesn't reward a good defence but it would make people want to protect it a bit more.