Add Defense Incentives

Alright Warren, here's one for you. Just a little something that popped into my mind in an attempt to make the TH your most honored possession . . . while at the same time giving out the much needed shields . . . and adding MORE villages to be attacked in the nexting queue!!!

Lets start with an example and run it a couple ways. In the example we will say you have 200,000 available when you log off. TH safe and sound in the middle (because it is your most valuable building now with no free shield).
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The first player attacks you and sees 200,000 available. Your defense holds them to 30% but they manage to take 100,000. However, since they did not kill your TH that loot comes from thin air instead of your loot. You loose nothing.

A second player attacks you and still sees 200,000 available loot. They manage to core your base and kill the TH, but only get 50,000 of your resources and 30%. However, because they killed your TH the loot comes out of YOUR resources, not thin air.

A third player attacks you and sees 200,000 available loot. They manage to kill 85% of your base but the TH survives in the middle. They get 200,000 loot but all of it comes from thin air instead of your resources (because they didn't destroy your TH).

A fourth player attacks you and sees 200,000 available loot. They wipe the map with you 100% and receive 200,000 loot (150,000 from your loot and 50,000 out of thin air). Now you receive a shield.
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Effectively, your TH is a shield for your loot, and your available loot is your shield from attack. You had 200,000 available to be taken until you log into the game again. Your base is available to be attacked until all 200,000 of that is gone divided up by however many players can get to your TH. People can repeatedly attack you for the full value but the loot is only taken from your storages if your TH falls. Once all of it is taken you get your shield. Effectively you could be attacked 80 times and people could get 200,000 every attack but you would loose nothing as long as your TH survived.

No free shield, but you would also never again experience 4 39% raids in 30 minutes that set you back 7 hours of constant game play. Also, (and to many more importantly) it would add many more worthwhile villages to the queue to be attacked. I think this would require a separate revenge shield system that was decoupled from the traditional shield.

I admit that I have not thought this all the way through so there may still be unintended flaws that may make this a non-starter, but at least it is a fresh idea. Hammer away folks!

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Alright Warren, here's one for you. Just a little something that popped into my mind in an attempt to make the TH your most honored possession . . . while at the same time giving out the much needed shields . . . and adding MORE villages to be attacked in the nexting queue!!!

Lets start with an example and run it a couple ways. In the example we will say you have 200,000 available when you log off. TH safe and sound in the middle (because it is your most valuable building now with no free shield).
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The first player attacks you and sees 200,000 available. Your defense holds them to 30% but they manage to take 100,000. However, since they did not kill your TH that loot comes from thin air instead of your loot. You loose nothing.

A second player attacks you and still sees 200,000 available loot. They manage to core your base and kill the TH, but only get 50,000 of your resources and 30%. However, because they killed your TH the loot comes out of YOUR resources, not thin air.

A third player attacks you and sees 200,000 available loot. They manage to kill 85% of your base but the TH survives in the middle. They get 200,000 loot but all of it comes from thin air instead of your resources (because they didn't destroy your TH).

A fourth player attacks you and sees 200,000 available loot. They wipe the map with you 100% and receive 200,000 loot (150,000 from your loot and 50,000 out of thin air). Now you receive a shield.
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Effectively, your TH is a shield for your loot, and your available loot is your shield from attack. You had 200,000 available to be taken until you log into the game again. Your base is available to be attacked until all 200,000 of that is gone divided up by however many players can get to your TH. People can repeatedly attack you for the full value but the loot is only taken from your storages if your TH falls. Once all of it is taken you get your shield. Effectively you could be attacked 80 times and people could get 200,000 every attack but you would loose nothing as long as your TH survived.

No free shield, but you would also never again experience 4 39% raids in 30 minutes that set you back 7 hours of constant game play. Also, (and to many more importantly) it would add many more worthwhile villages to the queue to be attacked. I think this would require a separate revenge shield system that was decoupled from the traditional shield.

I admit that I have not thought this all the way through so there may still be unintended flaws that may make this a non-starter, but at least it is a fresh idea. Hammer away folks!

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Hmm, an interesting twist... Not sure I agree with letting people attack you over and over without at least some of the loot coming from you. Otherwise we could put our storages and the economy would have endless resources.


How about this though: if your TH isn't destroyed, only xx% of the resources come from you, with the rest created out of thin air? Like 50% as a basic starting point for discussion. As a TH8 offering 300k resources (the cap), you'd only lose 150k per raid if you can protect your TH.

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i like the idea but id like to add this... why only storages and extractors provides resources?... how about a part of the resources can be obtained for every building? like 49% resources are in the storages and the other 49% spread on all others buildings the other 2% is from extractors (this depends on how active is the village (of course inactive villages is 100%)).

pst: english not my fort.

I'm learning economics in school right now...so Im gonna say this, I don't like whatever this is because of the word incentive.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BlahBlah161616

I'm learning economics in school right now...so Im gonna say this, I don't like whatever this is because of the word incentive.:rolleyes:

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i don't get you.

Wow! Nice twist on things, iceageg! Even if it doesn't work quite the way you have it, just the concept of the TH as a loot shield is something to think about using in some form or another.

Will need some time to think about it, but Xitra said, there are some problems with it as-is. Will have to think about it some myself, but that is a new angle to take things. I can already think of several permutations that such a TH loot shield could be based on, so it's nice to have another tool to possibly helping gameplay.

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Originally Posted by BlahBlah161616

I'm learning economics in school right now...so Im gonna say this, I don't like whatever this is because of the word incentive.:rolleyes:

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That sounds a bit bias. And what level are you learning econ, In highschool or college?

If you want an economic angle on this, my 'incentive' is to allow people to be raided, lose loot, but gain something in return that can be just as valuable or more so than what they lost, or risked possibly losing. Right now, when you win, you get Trophy points, but to many that is near worthless. So people block the loss of more valuable commodities via staying online constantly and using the 'farming base' to tempt people that do want trophies to giving the player a shield. Selfishly, a TH sniper doesn't care that they block others from looting the person they sniped, they just want the trophies, which to the person with the farming base finds near useless.

Ugh, going to stop there. I'm making it sound like people that use a farming base are ♥♥♥♥♥ing SC out bought shield time.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Alright Warren, here's one for you. Just a little something that popped into my mind in an attempt to make the TH your most honored possession . . . while at the same time giving out the much needed shields . . . and adding MORE villages to be attacked in the nexting queue!!!

Lets start with an example and run it a couple ways. In the example we will say you have 200,000 available when you log off. TH safe and sound in the middle (because it is your most valuable building now with no free shield).
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The first player attacks you and sees 200,000 available. Your defense holds them to 30% but they manage to take 100,000. However, since they did not kill your TH that loot comes from thin air instead of your loot. You loose nothing.

A second player attacks you and still sees 200,000 available loot. They manage to core your base and kill the TH, but only get 50,000 of your resources and 30%. However, because they killed your TH the loot comes out of YOUR resources, not thin air.

A third player attacks you and sees 200,000 available loot. They manage to kill 85% of your base but the TH survives in the middle. They get 200,000 loot but all of it comes from thin air instead of your resources (because they didn't destroy your TH).

A fourth player attacks you and sees 200,000 available loot. They wipe the map with you 100% and receive 200,000 loot (150,000 from your loot and 50,000 out of thin air). Now you receive a shield.
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Effectively, your TH is a shield for your loot, and your available loot is your shield from attack. You had 200,000 available to be taken until you log into the game again. Your base is available to be attacked until all 200,000 of that is gone divided up by however many players can get to your TH. People can repeatedly attack you for the full value but the loot is only taken from your storages if your TH falls. Once all of it is taken you get your shield. Effectively you could be attacked 80 times and people could get 200,000 every attack but you would loose nothing as long as your TH survived.

No free shield, but you would also never again experience 4 39% raids in 30 minutes that set you back 7 hours of constant game play. Also, (and to many more importantly) it would add many more worthwhile villages to the queue to be attacked. I think this would require a separate revenge shield system that was decoupled from the traditional shield.

I admit that I have not thought this all the way through so there may still be unintended flaws that may make this a non-starter, but at least it is a fresh idea. Hammer away folks!

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Yep basically THs being put outside will be replaced with storages being put outside. Game over.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Hmm, an interesting twist... Not sure I agree with letting people attack you over and over without at least some of the loot coming from you. Otherwise we could put our storages and the economy would have endless resources.


How about this though: if your TH isn't destroyed, only xx% of the resources come from you, with the rest created out of thin air? Like 50% as a basic starting point for discussion. As a TH8 offering 300k resources (the cap), you'd only lose 150k per raid if you can protect your TH.

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Hmm, an interesting twist on this: right now, the incentive to take a TH is to get the star, and possibly the win. This provides trophies and league bonus.

The incentive to protect the TH is to... wait, what were we talking about again?

Seriously though, there is so little incentive to protect the TH. There's no league bonus, and protecting the TH almost guarantees you'll get 2-starred at least, since you'd have to punch through 50% to get to a well-protected TH. An exposed TH means a good chance of "only" losing a star.

But if the TH protected half your raidable loot (note: "protected", not "contained". still contained in the storages), then that would be a lot of incentive to protect it. If you think you're less than 50% likely to get a free TH snipe due to offering a ton of loot, protecting the TH could make more sense than hoping and praying someone snipes you.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Yep basically THs being put outside will be replaced with storages being put outside. Game over.

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NOOOOOO! I want my free shields...now I really hate this thread... Not just the word incentive.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Alright Warren, here's one for you. Just a little something that popped into my mind in an attempt to make the TH your most honored possession . . . while at the same time giving out the much needed shields . . . and adding MORE villages to be attacked in the nexting queue!!!

Lets start with an example and run it a couple ways. In the example we will say you have 200,000 available when you log off. TH safe and sound in the middle (because it is your most valuable building now with no free shield).
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The first player attacks you and sees 200,000 available. Your defense holds them to 30% but they manage to take 100,000. However, since they did not kill your TH that loot comes from thin air instead of your loot. You loose nothing.

A second player attacks you and still sees 200,000 available loot. They manage to core your base and kill the TH, but only get 50,000 of your resources and 30%. However, because they killed your TH the loot comes out of YOUR resources, not thin air.

A third player attacks you and sees 200,000 available loot. They manage to kill 85% of your base but the TH survives in the middle. They get 200,000 loot but all of it comes from thin air instead of your resources (because they didn't destroy your TH).

A fourth player attacks you and sees 200,000 available loot. They wipe the map with you 100% and receive 200,000 loot (150,000 from your loot and 50,000 out of thin air). Now you receive a shield.
______________________________________

Effectively, your TH is a shield for your loot, and your available loot is your shield from attack. You had 200,000 available to be taken until you log into the game again. Your base is available to be attacked until all 200,000 of that is gone divided up by however many players can get to your TH. People can repeatedly attack you for the full value but the loot is only taken from your storages if your TH falls. Once all of it is taken you get your shield. Effectively you could be attacked 80 times and people could get 200,000 every attack but you would loose nothing as long as your TH survived.

No free shield, but you would also never again experience 4 39% raids in 30 minutes that set you back 7 hours of constant game play. Also, (and to many more importantly) it would add many more worthwhile villages to the queue to be attacked. I think this would require a separate revenge shield system that was decoupled from the traditional shield.

I admit that I have not thought this all the way through so there may still be unintended flaws that may make this a non-starter, but at least it is a fresh idea. Hammer away folks!

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I love it. Nice idea iceberg.