Is Farming bad for the game? (Don't rant, no drama cases plz!!)

I was going to complain about how the easy shield from having your town hall exposed is really a pain. Was going to revenge attack a base, but within minutes of then logging off, they got a shield from a cheap Town Hall snipe. As you can imagine, that leaves one in my position feeling a bit jipped.

But guess what... I used the search feature! :D And guess what I found! http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...remove+farming A recent thread on the issue! Imagine that... But it was in the General forum.

Anyway, the issue is more complex than I original thought, and I knew it was complicated already! But... I'm still wondering. Is metagaming Clash of Clans for an easy to get shield "wrong"? (yes I know many people do it, but doesn't make it more right if it is still wrong) Removing it (properly) could help put the game more on line with what the makers of Supercell intended. There could be more bases to raid, less 'next-ing', possibly better flow of loot, more reward for making a stronger army, less pain from being looted since recovering loot would be easier, and many other benefits. Could... It's only a theory. Could be very wrong too.

I'm wanting a levelheaded talk on the subject, and no rants, no drama, no harrasments, and no insults. I want to improve Clash of Clans and want some ideas from people that have been there and done that with farming, along with fixes that would make them happy. I know this is a hot button topic, but please bare with me here.

I want to fix this possible problem, and of you become a problem, I will report you and fix you too.

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Added Edit: In hide sight, I should have used a different word than 'farming' for a title. I'm just referring to the exposed Town Hall Base layout that is common among people that 'farm'. At this rate, stuck explaining my point of view and correcting the assumptions made, more than addressing the question at hand, I may have to remake the thread with a different title, and call this one 'dead'.

If there was nothing but trophy pushing in the game, it would be boring. I'd rather wall grind than trophy push for an extended period of time.

It seems to me that you wouldn't be able to hold on to any significant amount of gold or elixer. If you were offline for an hour you'd be attacked 20 times. No way you could raid enough to compensate for that. Perhaps it is an option to allow a revenge attack even if your opponent has a shield or not.

No, I am not suggesting that shield be removed. I'm suggesting some way to remove the reason for farming (aka exposing the Town Hall for an easy shield, counter to what the game says is important) without causing said issues that you guys are stating. If you checked the link I posted, they say the exact same things you have, and more.

Killing the fun of a game just to make it fit the original ideal of how it should be played is totally counterproductive and extremely illogical. Plus doing that would bankrupt Supercell, and we'd have no more CoC. There is a reason (a damn good reason) why people resort to farming base layouts. For a game that wants you to protect your town hall, that seems like a glaring failure in design. Because of the metagaming with farming, which is one issue, this also spawns several more issues, like town hall snipers trophy pushing for easy loot from League Bonuses. Plus revenge attacks being all but a joke, from shield being gained so quickly.

As a TH8, I'm getting a taste of why people setup farming bases, and being stubborn in my ideals, I'm resistant on metagaming the shield with a farming base as well.

This is a hard issue to solve, since this has been with the game since almost the beginning, and obviously no one has come up with a way to fix it. Not surprising, since you now have people established in thier ways, and will just quit if thier farming method gets ruined, likely regardless of there being a better method being made as a result.

Farming is a sign of something else is wrong. Not something that is wrong in of itself. I want to know what that something is, which is causing the farming shield metagaming.

I will admit that I want to 100% disagree with this post because you seem like a world-class griper. The game is great, I don't think there is anything "broken" with it.

However, I have to be honest... I always thought that the shield for a TH snipe was a bit long. I'm fine with things the way they are now (and I proudly use a farming base ALWAYS, unless trophy pushing), but if the fine folks at SC decided to decrease the shield for a TH snipe to 8 hours I would be good with that.

Farm on!

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Originally Posted by k2aries

I will admit that I want to 100% disagree with this post because you seem like a world-class griper. The game is great, I don't think there is anything "broken" with it.

However, I have to be honest... I always thought that the shield for a TH snipe was a bit long. I'm fine with things the way they are now (and I proudly use a farming base ALWAYS, unless trophy pushing), but if the fine folks at SC decided to decrease the shield for a TH snipe to 8 hours I would be good with that.

Farm on!

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I completely agree with you k2aries! reducing the shield time would promote more revenges! I think there is nothing wrong with people getting a shield for putting their town hall outside. Why would SC limit different ways to play the game? That just doesn't make any sense.

It's good for the game, and it's bad for the game.

I think TH sniping should be disincentivized.

One option might be to add another shield duration, maybe 8 hours. But even that only puts a small dent in people riding free shields.

Perhaps make it so a TH snipe alone isn't enough to get a shield. Maybe it needs to be TH snipe plus 25% damage?

I don't think zapping is bad for the game, because if nothing else, you can leave your TH outside and hope for a shield. If they made it harder to get the free shield, then I'm sad to admit it, but I think zapping should be nerfed a little more. Not sure how. Making DE storage take less damage from lightning seems silly, but it might be needed. That, or add even more hit points to the DE storage.

Other options include the idea of paying out only a percentage of the league bonus to TH snipes, based on percentage of damage done. This would discourage it in high leagues.

Ok I think I see your point ! and I definitely agree that the revenge button is a joke. I play this game for about two years now almost daily and i have succeeded to get an revenge attack only a few times. Furthermore i also agree that It would be good if there were no reason to farm but I suspect also that it would require a total overhaul of the game or at least the loot/trophy system. I dont see that happening anytime soon except for some minor tweaks here and there.

Honestly, if farming was meant to be part of the game, and not something that happened on it's own because of some flaw that human nature can't deal with, it would have already had a mechanic for it added in. This is why I call it metagaming. It is 'gaming the system' in a way that it was totally not intended for. I can't totally blame people for doing that, since such ways of thinking is what allowed humans as a whole to exploit and repurpose many things in real life to advance things to a level we see now.

With that said, for people to just totally stop metagaming would mean they would effectively stop being human at all, and just be rule minded drones.

The way I see the issue with the farming metagaming is that there is an underlying problem that needs to be fixed, if the game is to be ran as intended. The game itself needs to change to better match how human nature is, and reduce the need to metagame so much, as to go totally contrary to the stated goals of the game.

sorry i forget to mention the suggestion that a townhall rebuild might cost gold or something likewise to make sniping less attractive