War Loot - Not Enough?

Hello,

The reward for winning wars should be doubled. Here's why:

A large part of this game is understanding ROI of your loot raids. First you must know how much your army costs. Second you must select raids that provide enough potential loot for financial gain on the raid.

While I will be the first to say that clan wars are not about looting, they are about fun, excitement, strategy, community, and competition; I do feel that they need to at least be self sustaining when it comes to gold, elixir and dark. In that regards; it fails. Here's some math: If you use a dragon raid in a war and make 8-12 dragons depending on your dragon level, you will spend 300,000 elixir or more. Throw in 3-5 spells and your war fight cost will certainly exceed 400,000. The reward for that fight will probably be about a break even on elixir. I understand you can mix some dark troops into your army to reduce cost of elixir in favor of some dark elixir. But even still you would remain close to break even, so I hope my point is still taken.

Once you throw in the cost of donating troops for war castles and donating troops for two attacks in each war you can see how the elixir expense starts to compound and you are now below break even, actually losing resources to fight the clan war. I understand that theoretically each player only has to donate to one other player to spread out the costs. You could also not donate at all in order to really save loot. But both these measures are not condusive to actually winning the war, the main objective at the begining of all this.

If that is Supercell's idea is for players to lose elixir on wars then I'd love to hear why.

But if it's not intended then I think changes ought to be made. Here is my recommendation. Because I'm sure everyone is just dying to hear it...

1 star victory = Baseline loot based on opponent kingdom power (the amount of loot super already provides)
2 Star victory = Baseline x 1.5
3 star victory = baseline x 2

Not only does this solve the "war at a loss" elixir problem, but it also gives more reward for success on individual fights.

-Teske22

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Originally Posted by Teske22

Hello,

The reward for winning wars should be doubled. Here's why:

A large part of this game is understanding ROI of your loot raids. First you must know how much your army costs. Second you must select raids that provide enough potential loot for financial gain on the raid.

While I will be the first to say that clan wars are not about looting, they are about fun, excitement, strategy, community, and competition; I do feel that they need to at least be self sustaining when it comes to gold, elixir and dark. In that regards; it fails. Here's some math: If you use a dragon raid in a war and make 8-12 dragons depending on your dragon level, you will spend 300,000 elixir or more. Throw in 3-5 spells and your war fight cost will certainly exceed 400,000. The reward for that fight will probably be about a break even on elixir. I understand you can mix some dark troops into your army to reduce cost of elixir in favor of some dark elixir. But even still you would remain close to break even, so I hope my point is still taken.

Once you throw in the cost of donating troops for war castles and donating troops for two attacks in each war you can see how the elixir expense starts to compound and you are now below break even, actually losing resources to fight the clan war. I understand that theoretically each player only has to donate to one other player to spread out the costs. You could also not donate at all in order to really save loot. But both these measures are not condusive to actually winning the war, the main objective at the begining of all this.

If that is Supercell's idea is for players to lose elixir on wars then I'd love to hear why.

But if it's not intended then I think changes ought to be made. Here is my recommendation. Because I'm sure everyone is just dying to hear it...

1 star victory = Baseline loot based on opponent kingdom power (the amount of loot super already provides)
2 Star victory = Baseline x 1.5
3 star victory = baseline x 2

Not only does this solve the "war at a loss" elixir problem, but it also gives more reward for success on individual fights.

-Teske22

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You dont war for loot its not for that you farm if you want loot, the war loot bonus is fine as it is currently

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Originally Posted by BattleBorn007

You dont war for loot its not for that you farm if you want loot, the war loot bonus is fine as it is currently

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I'm pretty sure the idea of a forum is to collaborate ideas and opinions. Providing your opinion and declaring it as factual without any substance does not enhance this discussion. I hope your other 1,000+ posts were more thoughtful.

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Originally Posted by Teske22

I'm pretty sure the idea of a forum is to collaborate ideas and opinions. Providing your opinion and declaring it as factual without any substance does not enhance this discussion. I hope your other 1,000+ posts were more thoughtful.

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Im just gonna say this back
Providing your opinion and declaring it as factual without any substance does not enhance this discussion.

I think one of the few ways to get behind on loot from attacks in war is by using an all dragon attack and rightfully so anyone can do it and it's almost always two stars at least if not three. I disagree it needs to be retooled, but if it does I won't argue.

I supplied my opinion with great supporting detail and legitimate reasons as to why this should be considered. Your response lacked any legitimacy. If my idea is a poor one, that is fine, but I will only consider substantiated and thoughful replies from humble open minded people. Thank you for your time but I don't think you are going to contribute to this discussion.

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Originally Posted by Teske22

I supplied my opinion with great supporting detail and legitimate reasons as to why this should be considered. Your response lacked any legitimacy. If my idea is a poor one, that is fine, but I will only consider substantiated and thoughful replies from humble open minded people. Thank you for your time but I don't think you are going to contribute to this discussion.

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The fact of the matter is Clan Wars isnt meant to be a farming strategy, you spend elixir to battle it out with another clan and have fun, not get rich off loot.
Its already possible with the current loot win bonus to get over a million gold and elixir from a war that is enough.
Again its fine how it is.

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Originally Posted by Derrick1992

I think one of the few ways to get behind on loot from attacks in war is by using an all dragon attack and rightfully so anyone can do it and it's almost always two stars at least if not three. I disagree it needs to be retooled, but if it does I won't argue.

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That's a fair stance Derrick, Supercells current structure is certainly guiding the thought process of these replies. Gaining resources doesn't necessarily need to be done only through "looting". A war certainly provides fun and excitement to the game, but at the end of a successful war, all the top players are losing serious loot. It seems to me that victory should result in enough loot to at least marginalize the expenses of the war. I think the tiered loot structure, IE more loot for more stars, gives enough additional incentive for players to perform better. I'm not saying 2x the loot is right number. I"m just saying it should be enough to cover expenses with a little left over for the victory.

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Originally Posted by BattleBorn007

The fact of the matter is Clan Wars isnt meant to be a farming strategy, you spend elixir to battle it out with another clan and have fun, not get rich off loot.
Its already possible with the current loot win bonus to get over a million gold and elixir from a war that is enough.
Again its fine how it is.

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If it's not meant to be a farming strategy then why do they provide any loot at all? Why not just provide 0?

The reason that I think 2X is the right loot amount on wars is because if a clan loses a war and wins a war, they should break even over the course of both wars. 1 win 1 loss. So back to my previous post, 2x would be a little high because you do receive loot even for losing. So perhaps a 3 star high bar of 1.75 or so would be about right.