An idea to stop mass dragons

My apologies if this idea has been suggested before. I haven't seen it mentioned but it is a simple idea and would find it surprising if someone hasn't already thought of it.

My intention is to limit the effectiveness of the mass dragons tactic and it needs to be because it has cheapened the 3 star achievement for town hall 7s and 8s. But I wanted to do it without ruining what I think is an underused unit in more complex strategies.

As I said the idea is simple. If you play a reasonable number of dragons, (up to five) then no penalty is suffered but if more than six dragons are in play at one time, then the dragons' behaviour become unpredictable and may attack each other. The story could be along the lines of a high concentration of dragon pheromones being the cause of the madness. Or more imaginative mind than mine could come up with the details.

Anyway thoughts please or if it has been suggested before please feel free to inform me and supply a link.

no because mass dragon is BAD

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Originally Posted by Murgy

My apologies if this idea has been suggested before. I haven't seen it mentioned but it is a simple idea and would find it surprising if someone hasn't already thought of it.

My intention is to limit the effectiveness of the mass dragons tactic and it needs to be because it has cheapened the 3 star achievement for town hall 7s and 8s. But I wanted to do it without ruining what I think is an underused unit in more complex strategies.

As I said the idea is simple. If you play a reasonable number of dragons, (up to five) then no penalty is suffered but if more than six dragons are in play at one time, then the dragons' behaviour become unpredictable and may attack each other. The story could be along the lines of a high concentration of dragon pheromones being the cause of the madness. Or more imaginative mind than mine could come up with the details.

Anyway thoughts please or if it has been suggested before please feel free to inform me and supply a link.

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No mass dragon is a strategy and should not be destroyed especially by adding friendly fire (get it fire <->dragons) into the game

Yes, please. I have been attacked with the mass dragons tactic and it is NOT fun. But them attacking eachother? Think twice about that one.

I am Th8 and the only attack that ever ever hits me in CW is dragon spam!Every other kind of attack,wether Giant Healer,BarchGia,Loonion,always fails.But dragon spam get 3 star on me 101% of the time!
GRRRHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I have an idea for stopping mass drags, Rush to th9 and get the air defense. Sure you will suffer loot penalty and people will wipe your base but at least mass dragons won't destroy you.

I think dragon has been stupid enough. Mass dragons are useless when against TH9 and TH10. And even for TH8, there are many base designs that can be used for defensing mass dragons.

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Originally Posted by firestar123

I have an idea for stopping mass drags, Rush to th9 and get the air defense. Sure you will suffer loot penalty and people will wipe your base but at least mass dragons won't destroy you.

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you win :rolleyes:

on-topic:
limiting mass dragons is a good concept
but you're suggestion is clunky, it's not easy to implement

and anyway, "mass dragon" is just a phase
I believe you're TH7 or TH8, if you get to TH9/TH10
you'll see a lot more lava loonians, and maybe you'll also start a thread about nerfing lava loonians :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I've definitely heard some good arguments for nerfing mass drags in lower TH lvls.......but attacking each other? I see why you may want something to be done but what you're doing completely demolishes the strategy, which is probably a bit too far.

Nerf lvl 2 drags

Done :)

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Originally Posted by Jomarx3me

you win :rolleyes:

on-topic:
limiting mass dragons is a good concept
but you're suggestion is clunky, it's not easy to implement

and anyway, "mass dragon" is just a phase
I believe you're TH7 or TH8, if you get to TH9/TH10
you'll see a lot more lava loonians, and maybe you'll also start a thread about nerfing lava loonians :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I've 2 profiles one a TH10 the other a TH7. Funny you should mention the lavaloonion, a clan mate of mine has started using it and without truly knowing how to use it, managed to 3 star his opposite number completely by accident.

However my enemy is the mass dragon strategy and I'll tell you why; any strategy which can 3 star it's own town hall level and without practice, can be deployed using your toes, I feel takes a lot away from what should be seen as an achievement. It's far too reliable at TH7/8, even the bases designed to stop them only separate the idiots from the competants.

I don't believe I've completely nerfed the attack. Just made it so no more than 5 could be in play at one time and if players can still 3 star bases then they at least have had to work harder for it.

My intention is to have a strategy that's too easy to succeed nerfed so we rely more on the skill of all clan members to win wars rather than just the skill of the top bases.

I personally think dragons or mass dragon attcks are fine the way they are now. If they are changed the way the OP stated, how else would TH7s even attempt to get a star or 2 from TH8s in clan wars?

For those who say mass dragons attacks require no strategy I propose this: give all players access to the same troops and make the game about strategic attacks.

Maybe if they developed an anti-dragon rod which channels lightning through it to destroy the dragons...

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Originally Posted by MrPep

how else would TH7s even attempt to get a star or 2 from TH8s in clan wars without first consulting the grey organ between their ears?

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FIFY

That's doable with both a ground assault and an air attack (combination of dragons, balloons and minions), depending on the strength of the town hall 8. If the town hall 8 is particularly strong one then it's not their target in the first place.

The hogrider tactic was nerfed and at least you had to lure and kill the cc first.

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Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer

Nerf lvl 2 drags

Done :)

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That's the second time that's been suggested in the past couple days, and it leaves me scratching my head.

Why nerf level 2 dragons? A TH7 can already 3-star a maxed TH7 with level 1 dragons, so nerfing level 2 doesn't help TH7's on defense.

And I've heard plenty of reports that a well-designed max TH8 can survive level 3 dragons. (By survive, I mean prevent 3 stars.)

So TH8 vs. TH8 is already fine. Which leaves level 2 dragons. I consider that a strategy for TH7's to get 3 stars against new TH8's and maxed TH8's with bad layouts, both of which I think are fine.

If anything, level 1 is the level that needs to be nerfed. A brand new TH7, spending 4 days and 2.3M elixir (assuming 2 builders used concurrently), can unlock dragons, and increase spell capacity to 3 spells. From there, this brand new TH7 can proceed to 3 star any TH7, even a maxed TH7 with an anti-dragon layout.

Sure, a maxed TH7 with an anti-dragon layout might be able to repel a mass dragon attack from a noob that just drops the dragons randomly or in a single wave.

But with a little practice, level 1 dragons are guaranteed 3 stars against any TH7. Only the defender's clan castle might stop 3 stars, if they have something really powerful in there. But with only 20 troop capacity, what can you stick in there? Wizards? Might stop one or two dragons if you're incredibly lucky, before they get roasted in one direct blast with splash damage.)

So that's my stance: nerf level 1 dragons. And since they're mostly useless at TH9 and up, we should buff level 4 dragons and/or add a level 5.

Dragons alone are terrible against a well designed TH8. The only way to 3 star a MAXED TH8 is with Spells. The mere fact that you have to supplement the troops with spells means the troop itself is not OP.

And a TH7, even maxed, deserves to be destroyed by dragons. They're TH7 afterall...

Dragons are definitely powerful, but friendly fire is not Clash of Clans. That's that.

With great power, comes great cost. Dragons aren't free.

Although, an archer tower damage buff against dragons would be pretty cool. That way the defense isn't completely dependent on seeking air mines and air defenses, yeah? That or a Regular air mine buff that is rather quite high (like, x5 damage!)

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Originally Posted by itblobboy

Dragons are definitely powerful, but friendly fire is not Clash of Clans. That's that.

With great power, comes great cost. Dragons aren't free.

Although, an archer tower damage buff against dragons would be pretty cool. That way the defense isn't completely dependent on seeking air mines and air defenses, yeah? That or a Regular air mine buff that is rather quite high (like, x5 damage!)

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An archer tower buff would be quite interesting. I'd have to think about it.

An air bomb buff has been considered recently. I'll see if I can find a link to my thoughts on that. To summarize: x1.5 or at most x2 damage would be good. Any more than that would be way too much. And anyway, a TH7 only gets 2 air bombs, but a TH8 gets 4, so an air bomb buff would help TH8's more than it would help TH7's. But it's the TH7's that need help more than the TH8's! So it helps the wrong people!

Haha this made me laugh. As a th8, drags rarely three starred me. As a th9, very new, maxed drags only 1 starred me. Drags are fine the way they are. As has been suggested, drags ain't free either. Especially with spells. Honestly, yeah you may get three stars but you don't even get much profit off of the war anyway. I personally think drags are one of the worst units. They are unpredictable, unreliable, slow in movement and rate of fire, expensive and have a tendency to go off in funky directions. Loonion and giant healer are much more reliable at th7, gowipe for th8 and 9.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

An archer tower buff would be quite interesting. I'd have to think about it.

An air bomb buff has been considered recently. I'll see if I can find a link to my thoughts on that. To summarize: x1.5 or at most x2 damage would be good. Any more than that would be way too much. And anyway, a TH7 only gets 2 air bombs, but a TH8 gets 4, so an air bomb buff would help TH8's more than it would help TH7's. But it's the TH7's that need help more than the TH8's! So it helps the wrong people!

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Would make sense to make it so TH7 gets 3 and TH8 only gets one more, then. If I recall incorrectly and TH7 gets the first two in a group, then maybe let TH6 get one.

I would definitely approve of it.

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Originally Posted by itblobboy

Dragons are definitely powerful, but friendly fire is not Clash of Clans. That's that.

With great power, comes great cost. Dragons aren't free.

Although, an archer tower damage buff against dragons would be pretty cool. That way the defense isn't completely dependent on seeking air mines and air defenses, yeah? That or a Regular air mine buff that is rather quite high (like, x5 damage!)

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Hasn't always been i remember when the lightning spell used to damage your own troops.

My only problem with dragons is that the way they are, they can be used in bulk to claim easy stars. Any defensive buffs will impact on the players using them in more complex strategies.

It doesn't matter that mass dragons are ineffective against good TH9s and 10s. The TH7s and 8s are playing this game too and because of this tactic there's nothing between a good town hall 8 player and an idiot. And clan wars would be more interesting if their attacks had more significance.

Find an anti mass dragon base on youtube. DONE!!!

Why stop mass dragons? Whenever I am attending mass I often think it would be interesting if some dragons showed up.

People always complain anout mass drgs in war but if it's so powerful why don't you use it? An if it's ecause high lvls are the ones using it and you can
t fight back then they're not using a well strategy by atacking lower guys.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Why stop mass dragons? Whenever I am attending mass I often think it would be interesting if some dragons showed up.

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You're Catholic, Mr. Patriot?

Just upgrade your Air Defense

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Originally Posted by CPH3

Find an anti mass dragon base on youtube. DONE!!!

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What TH level? TH8? TH9?

No such thing as an anti-dragon base at TH7. Maybe dragon-resistant.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Why stop mass dragons? Whenever I am attending mass I often think it would be interesting if some dragons showed up.

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That would complicate things

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Originally Posted by Murgy

My apologies if this idea has been suggested before. I haven't seen it mentioned but it is a simple idea and would find it surprising if someone hasn't already thought of it.

My intention is to limit the effectiveness of the mass dragons tactic and it needs to be because it has cheapened the 3 star achievement for town hall 7s and 8s. But I wanted to do it without ruining what I think is an underused unit in more complex strategies.

As I said the idea is simple. If you play a reasonable number of dragons, (up to five) then no penalty is suffered but if more than six dragons are in play at one time, then the dragons' behaviour become unpredictable and may attack each other. The story could be along the lines of a high concentration of dragon pheromones being the cause of the madness. Or more imaginative mind than mine could come up with the details.

Anyway thoughts please or if it has been suggested before please feel free to inform me and supply a link.

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..... no.

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Originally Posted by NeoXTD

Yes, please. I have been attacked with the mass dragons tactic and it is NOT fun. But them attacking eachother? Think twice about that one.

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You're argument is very one-sided.

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Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer

Nerf lvl 2 drags

Done :)

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lol..... no.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Maybe if they developed an anti-dragon rod which channels lightning through it to destroy the dragons...

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lolol........... no.

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

Dragons alone are terrible against a well designed TH8. The only way to 3 star a MAXED TH8 is with Spells. The mere fact that you have to supplement the troops with spells means the troop itself is not OP.

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Thank whatever being you believe in, an answer that finally has some sense.

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Originally Posted by Buttermink

You're Catholic, Mr. Patriot?

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Nope. Sarcastic.

Or you could build a decent base to stop them. I can stop level 4 dragons in wars, sure they get a star or two, but not a three star.

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Originally Posted by BattleBorn007

No mass dragon is a strategy and should not be destroyed especially by adding friendly fire (get it fire <->dragons) into the game

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XD arent you a comedian

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Originally Posted by miamiheat

XD arent you a comedian

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It my side job when Im not crushing dreams or being sarcastic

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Originally Posted by BattleBorn007

It my side job when Im not crushing dreams or being sarcastic

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Oh, do you go to my church?

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Oh, do you go to my church?

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Are there dragons at your church?

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Maybe if they developed an anti-dragon rod which channels lightning through it to destroy the dragons...

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LOL, best suggestion of the day.

Better yet, you don't fill it. Instead you put it next to DE storage and it fills itself as it absorbs lightning spells storing some of the electricity. Then, next time a drag comes near it...

Or not.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

LOL, best suggestion of the day.

Better yet, you don't fill it. Instead you put it next to DE storage and it fills itself as it absorbs lightning spells storing some of the electricity. Then, next time a drag comes near it...

Or not.

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Lol best idea 2015

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Originally Posted by BattleBorn007

Are there dragons at your church?

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Not yet. Just think it would make the service more memorable if a few showed up.

But the way I'm talking here its going to look more like I got hit by a lightning spell.

I don't like it... I link mass drag... If you don't like it become a TH9... Or just upgrade your AD...

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Originally Posted by Murtagh

Haha this made me laugh. As a th8, drags rarely three starred me. As a th9, very new, maxed drags only 1 starred me. Drags are fine the way they are. As has been suggested, drags ain't free either. Especially with spells. Honestly, yeah you may get three stars but you don't even get much profit off of the war anyway. I personally think drags are one of the worst units. They are unpredictable, unreliable, slow in movement and rate of fire, expensive and have a tendency to go off in funky directions. Loonion and giant healer are much more reliable at th7, gowipe for th8 and 9.

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lvl 4 Loonions and giant-healer are more reliable for a 3-star at TH7 than mass dragons? Why did you have to go and throw literally all of your credibility out the window with that one line? you could have just left that part out and the rest of your post would seem valid.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

lvl 4 Loonions and giant-healer are more reliable for a 3-star at TH7 than mass dragons? Why did you have to go and throw literally all of your credibility out the window with that one line? you could have just left that part out and the rest of your post would seem valid.

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I think the term he was looking for was "cost-effecitve". I.e.:
Loonion and giant healer are much more cost-effective at th7...

As for reliability, when I was a TH7, I routinely failed to 3-star strong TH7 bases with giant-healer. I could get 2 stars somewhat reliably, but sometimes they even held me to 1 star. Against your typical TH7, however, I could get 3 stars pretty reliably. Because your typical TH7 doesn't have a great layout, or they only have level 5 and lower walls.

As far as not being able to reliably 3-star with giant-healer, I'll grant that part of that was my skill. Maybe in the hands of a better player, it's a 3-star strategy pretty reliably? I was using level 4 barbs, archers, wizards, giants, and wall breakers, with 2 healers. With only one healer, it almost wasn't worth the space of bringing a healer. And 3 healers left me low on giants, which made me more vulnerable to spring traps. I never quite perfected the technique. EDIT: And a disclaimer, my healers were level 1.

On the other hand, I never failed to 3-star a TH7 with 9 level 1 dragons. I never failed to 3-star a TH8 either, but I only did it against rushed/premie TH8's. But I'll say that level 1 dragons are a guaranteed 3-star against any TH7 base layout, unless they have something awesome in their CC. And if level 1 dragons are a guaranteed 3-star, level 2 is just overkill against a TH7.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

I think the term he was looking for was "cost-effecitve". I.e.:
Loonion and giant healer are much more cost-effective at th7...

As for reliability, when I was a TH7, I routinely failed to 3-star strong TH7 bases with giant-healer. I could get 2 stars somewhat reliably, but sometimes they even held me to 1 star. Against your typical TH7, however, I could get 3 stars pretty reliably. Because your typical TH7 doesn't have a great layout, or they only have level 5 and lower walls.

As far as not being able to reliably 3-star with giant-healer, I'll grant that part of that was my skill. Maybe in the hands of a better player, it's a 3-star strategy pretty reliably? I was using level 4 barbs, archers, wizards, giants, and wall breakers, with 2 healers. With only one healer, it almost wasn't worth the space of bringing a healer. And 3 healers left me low on giants, which made me more vulnerable to spring traps. I never quite perfected the technique. EDIT: And a disclaimer, my healers were level 1.

On the other hand, I never failed to 3-star a TH7 with 9 level 1 dragons. I never failed to 3-star a TH8 either, but I only did it against rushed/premie TH8's. But I'll say that level 1 dragons are a guaranteed 3-star against any TH7 base layout, unless they have something awesome in their CC. And if level 1 dragons are a guaranteed 3-star, level 2 is just overkill against a TH7.

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If he meant cost-effective, sure. But it's not just you; TH7 becomes increasingly more difficult to 3-star using giant-healer due to the stats on giants and healing power of healers, in addition to a 2nd AD and air bombs. Giant healer is a cake walk against TH6s, but not for TH7s. I never used loonion as a TH7 but I have seen many 1-stars or worse from opposing clans using them on our TH7s, so I'd hardly say that it's much more reliable than the giant-healer approach.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

If he meant cost-effective, sure. But it's not just you; TH7 becomes increasingly more difficult to 3-star using giant-healer due to the stats on giants and healing power of healers, in addition to a 2nd AD and air bombs. Giant healer is a cake walk against TH6s, but not for TH7s. I never used loonion as a TH7 but I have seen many 1-stars or worse from opposing clans using them on our TH7s, so I'd hardly say that it's much more reliable than the giant-healer approach.

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I tried loonion two or three times, didn't like the cost, and got terrible results. I'll take the blame for deployment issues though.

One of the times, I dropped my loons in a V along two sides of the base, and he had a single cannon outside his walls that attacted half my loons. From there, the whole bunch went for an archer tower covered by a wizard tower. Half my level 4 loons gone to kill a cannon and an archer tower. Needless to say, I didn't even get 1 star.

That would never have happened with dragons, bad placement or not. The only way to screw up mass dragons is to drop them all in one spot or try to come in from all 4 directions at once.

Here is a solution to all of your problems.

The Excess Rage Effect.

Since dragons are already pretty raged, a rage spell would make them angry at each other, leading to fight between each other, as they burn each other to death.








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I agree that supercell should do something to stop mass dragons, but i dont think that is the best way for it to be done