Im sensing a lot of negative vibes hereQuote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
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Im sensing a lot of negative vibes hereQuote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
Some people dont read just commnet bla blaQuote:
Originally Posted by BattleBorn007
see the op angry bcoz
he already explain his situation
1. He use farming base (th open)
2. He is on higher league(crystal)
3. He get still get zap by higher th(th10) / its not about zap not efficient but about his feeling as zap victim
(my example is that fine to get robber 100$ and the thief use machine gun to thread you) did u feel fine lose 100 $ bcoz get threaten by machine gun or didnt the feel still the same if the attacker use bare hand)
u lose 100$ and its suck
The reason guys are asking you these things is because they are trying to figure out why what works for everyone else does not work for you. The problem here is that your facts don't line up. What you describe is just not happening to every else like it does to you. So there has to be some extra ingredient here that has you getting heavily zapped in crystal because that is not something that normally happens. But I see you don't like guys trying to guess and ask you questions so lets try a different approach to figuring this out. Would you be willing to share a screen shot of your base?Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
Rwelshjr is the Real MVPQuote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
He should get a forum title. Perhaps "Patriots Fan?":rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BattleBorn007
I'm just trying to figure out why things are different for him than they are for everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BattleBorn007
That would be amazing XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Buttermink
Maybe the story is stretched that would explain a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
Screenshot at base and defense logQuote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
especially mass lightning
TL-DR from my last post. Just saying that now.
This is still going? And looks like a rather heated argument. Should In even bother reading? Should someone have reported this mess for just being a time wasting argument?
If you are gonna read it all get some popcorn firstQuote:
Originally Posted by WarrenJames
IKR! People have zapped one too many builder hut/hero pedastal :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HydroPenguin
And yeah, nothing needs to be done about zapping. The only argument I'm getting from your post is "I lost DE and I don't want to lose DE so SC do something about it"......I mean, if there was a good argument for it (like when there were loot bonuses for attacking higher THs, or when DE storages had less health), maybe I'd agree, but it really is a non-issue right now.
I think there should be an energy field around any selected building so it is vulnerable against lightning spells, or teslas absorb 70% of the lightning spellsQuote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
i feel like zapping now 😂
Imposter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mushy
This is to the poster.
Hey I just met you! And this is stupid! Your a bummer! I will kill yew!
so heres my number, so call me maybe 😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by sylveonzmushi
I want to know why reading and comprehending is such a hard skill to have here, Also:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...etting-Started
Most of the repllies here have been hostile and like to know why there is a lack of modship in this thread.Quote:
3) When replying, keep your feedback constructive and helpful. If you think the idea won't work, explain why, rather than calling it stupid. Also, remember to discuss the idea itself, not the person who came up with it!
I don't think I have been hostile. Not agreeing with you that zapping is 'a problem' that needs any sort of 'fix' is not being hostile.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
The suggestions myself and many have offered are not hostility. But they did have you pointing to them saying that they are why its "our fault" for offering and we have actually been met with criticism for suggesting them. Some might interpret those responses you gave to be hostility.
Regarding any 'lack of moderation' I think that is something you should be thankful for. I do see where some folks have bit back but the that was in response to your own angry words that you say are justified because the people trying to help you "can't read" and things like that. They don't ban for trying to suggest anything and I don't think they do any bans based on reading comprehension skills, so those that offered suggestions are on safe ground. But they do ban on angry responses (regardless who's fault it is a guy is raging its the raging itself that is counted) so you and a couple other guys that got mad after you raged at the forum that are at risk. (so everyone please be careful)
I am even still trying to help you but I need something other than a rant about what's wrong with me or the forum. I did ask for a screen print of your base. Nothing is going to change in the game so don't be mad if that is not the path being taken to help you. Please please send the screenshot of your base so we can proceed with constructive steps...
Hen's teeth? Unicorn blood? You will probably have better luck finding those than getting a new and convincing argument about why zapping should end from this thread. The only thing this thread has that other zapping threads don't is a more dedicated and animated OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
I (like you rwelshjr) am open to change and willing to change my own opinions when "something" is presented to justify it. It's abundantly clear that this thread doesn't provide that something though. I applaud you for making an extra effort to help this guy out but I'm pretty sure you/we are wasting your time. Good luck.
I was not really directing that to you, but yeah if people are going to be hostile to me with backed up from information that is not true or not happening or whatever, yes I will tell the truth and point out they are not reading. Telling me to search when my post is not even read is insulting.Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
As for help what do you mean? There is nothing I can do to stop being zapped, it makes no sense.
zapping is bad for the game period. Nothing people said otherwise shows otherwise other then "I want it the way it is with no change because that is how it is live with it. I am big and bad and can take zapping and you can't so you are a whiner" <that is the summery of most of the replies here. This stuck up attitude is sicking. It is the same type of replies I got with the wall suggestion (first drive that made me come here) and guess what? that change is now in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceageg
supercell said they where nto thinking about changing it because it is too inefficient and therefor it does not happen a lot. Well guess what? it does, outside of gold league, and by th10s. so it needs changing. All the suggestions I read in the past that people told to get away from lightning zapping DE does not work (be out of gold, open th with flags blah blah)
AH, but maybe there is. Others are not getting zapped as much as you seem to be. They do avoid it successfully. So there may be some factor to your base that is inviting it making you more a victim than most. Whether or not myself there are some very COC savvy folks hanging out here on the forum (many that have not weighed in here yet) but would if given something to analyze so they could give you tactical or strategic pointers so that this does not happen to you as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
I log off a lot.... I am not on the game 12 hours a day... I get attacked a lot.... that is the reason for why it happens more, because I can get attacked more then others (Well that is more of a guess) but regardless that has no excuse of all the insults that was thrown around at me.
That and I am always at cap at loot storage taken, It is very rare I am under that because I log on and off the game a lot and farm a lot. (all 3 types, but DE is more at cap because of long time of upgrading things, need a lot, etc)
I'm sorry, I just don't see all these constant insults you are claiming that are being thrown at you. All I see is your constant hostility at others, which is escalating the situation. You're barking at others for not reading while you're blatantly ignoring counterpoints written to you because you don't like what you hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
As to logging off, you don't need to be on 12 hours a day to avoid zaps, although you say you farm a lot so you do put in a fair amount of time I assume. Ride your shields a bit longer. I only break my shield if I can get in at least 2 raids to ensure that even if I'm attacked I still made a profit. I farm in Gold and I get zapped twice a week on average. Simply adjust your sessions.
You have been vary harsh to pretty much everyone that responded. I acknowledge that your harsh comments did get some in return. But I have not seen one angry exchange that was not initiated by yourself. You are aware of this because you have been saying that your angry comments our the fault of forum members for making suggestions that did not help you and seemed to indicate they had not fully digested everything you say. The only way the hostile tone of this thread is anyone's fault but your own would be if making suggestions the OP disagrees with is in fact to be considered a crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
I log off a lot too. I have a busy life and can only be on here and there. (true for many of us) I also between myself and family members several accounts at various levels none of which are experiencing what you are. So looking at that snapshot would be the best way to figure this out. Please send it as I still want to try and help.
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
trust me when I tell you SC did not introduce elixir wall for all your whining.
You are the problem with your lies and constant whingeing.
1st its TH10 zapped you for x amount, an amount that seems to vary from post to post. Then it was that a maxed TH10 zapped you after a failed attack. Then it was you tried everything thats been suggested and that people cant read or comprehend.
If all the above were even to be true then you have shown you lack the grey matter to stop playing.
But you are liar and a drama queen for spitting your dummy out over 1 incident. No one here believes that you get constantly zapped at C1. Your constant changing of events make it difficult to believe you have ever been truthful. You are a troll and a very irritating one at that and you deserve all ridicule aimed at you.
I will not bother repeating all the advice thats come your way but I do have some advice for everyone else.
Never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Eventually.
I am not longer arguing with him. I am reaching out to help him. But for me (or really anyone) to do that we need not just more statements from him (especially if we can't read) and instead a nice big picture to study. That is why we need him to provide a screen shot for everyone to study.Quote:
Originally Posted by mushy
Riding a shield has nothing to do with the ratio at which somebody gets zapped as opposed to raided with troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba061
Agreed. That is part of why I want to see his base first hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
You're up in Crystal 1, and you're saying that not only are most attacks on your base not simply TH snipes, but that you get zapped often? Screenshot your last 40 defense logs and post them here please.
A TH10 dropping 5 lightnings on your base is an utter waste of of 2.5 hours and ~125k elixir. He just crippled his ability to farm with a total lack of spells now. Just b/c some inefficient TH10 farmer is the outlier in your example does not mean the feature needs to be fixed. Also, check out dahimi's Lightning Rod thread and throw your support behind it if you want something that protects against lightning spells.
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-lightning-rod
Forgive me rwelshjr but on the balance of probability what this OP is stating is at the very minimum an over statement of one incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
Nobody including yourself has ever experienced zapping with any regularity in crystal league and fewer still can claim to have foiled a maxed TH10 attack being a TH9 (gold or lower perhaps as usually tier one troops make the bulk of raiding troops for loot) but not only make the claim that a TH10 failed an attack but to be offended he finshed off with zapping which anyone with any idea of the game will do.
He has constantly harped on about one incident. Its time to realise him for the troll he is IMO.
I am in m2/m3 and the only de I ever lose is to zaps. Of course I mainly get sniped but it doesn't change that I am more likely to be zapped than properly raided. In other words my defence is just so OP that no army can ever hope to take a single storage or that zapping is more profitable than everybody likes to claim. One of those two has to be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by mushy
And once again I am saying that it's b/c you are getting sniped constantly. And this is due to a broken league system that should be overhauled. You just mentioned it in this post, that most of your defenses are snipes. If the system was fixed, then those snipes would be much rarer, and you'd face actual attacks on your base. That would further show just how inefficient DE zaps were, as you would hope you got the rare "move up for trophies" TH snipe or a simple DE zap. I'm not saying you're not getting zapped up there, but it's either TH snipes or the occasional DE zap, and the only reason it seems like it's prevalent is b/c this league bonus system is completely outdated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
To illustrate the example better: You protect DE storages from lightning spells, and you've essentially done away with any resource loss up in those leagues. Just TH snipes. How atrociously flawed is that?
Fair enough, but equally I dont see you gunning me down for making my point and neither are you complain about zapping like a sore loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
My experience of crystal has always been to be attacked fully. The further up I go the harder my base gets hit when it does get attacked. When I looked to attack I quickly dropped my farming troops and was forced to use gowi attacks as I couldn't win any battles otherwise.
I had been in crystal a few weeks only but have never been zapped and reading the posts of others here my belief of zapping higher up than gold is strengthened that it is rare.
I am in gold 1 now and have been for several months and I can't even remember when I was last zapped.
I have pointed out that his facts are odd and with alignment issues so I am open to your point. But he says that's because I am not understanding his situation (whether reading poorly or just not getting it, whatever) so I am being open minded. A screen print would answer any questions so that's what's on the table for his next step. If he is not willing then I guess I would have to concede your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by mushy
If you hang around where TH7s and TH8s mostly reside, expect to get zapped. They will barch for their farming, and then use lightning spells to get DE as their troops aren't strong enough to crack into TH9/10's DE storages, and they have little to no value placed on elixir (b/c elixir for walls revert). I have been letting my TH9 and TH10 bases "die" and they're settling around 1100 and 1500. I get zapped fairly regularly when I'm holding more than 40k (I'd say 1 out of 5 attacks or so). However, this is predictable, expected, and there is nothing wrong with it. I produce 4800 and 7200 DE a day passively. Losing 700-1k every 2-3 days is not even remotely a problem worth discussing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mushy
I suppose I could re-read the thread from page 1 to answer this myself, but I figured it would be quicker to just ask:Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
Are you claiming that this happens to you all the time? Like, several times a day? Several times a week at least?
From your very first post, I had the impression that you were complaining about a single, isolated incident. From a subsequent post of yours, several pages in, I got the impression that this was only the second time this had happened to you in about a month.
Can you please clarify how often this is happening to you? How many times per week or per day?
PS: Posting from my phone, hope this works
Yes. OP: screenshots please, of your last 40 defense logs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xitra
It has everything to do with it. More shield time means less chance of getting zapped because your base isn't exposed as often. You lessen the odds because there's less opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
zaping should not be taken because im a starting th7 and i got attacked by many mixed th 8 and sometimes 9 how the hell i can revenge them???
I agree with you. For some reason I haven't been getting zapped perhaps on account of my main walls all being skulls and lego but dont know. Many times I have been sniped now from lvl 40s to 100 odds and no one zapped me and thisbisbin gold 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Goobers
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Originally Posted by Gama321
It has everything to do with the amount of times zapped, but not necessarily the ratio. But comparing the ratio of being zapped to hit with troops is not fair b/c we have a very outdated league bonus system that encourages TH sniping for loot over raiding with a full army, and you're leaving all those TH snipe attacks out of that ratio. But if you look at the overall ratio, it's still going to be heavily skewed in favor of TH snipes vs the collective DE zaps/raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba061
The only way to change that ratio is to stop rewarding TH snipes so lucratively. Then you'll see actual raids replace the spot of TH snipes in that ratio, with TH snipes and DE zaps occurring infrequently, the way that DE zaps and actual raids occur now.
Your wall levels shouldn't deter DE zappers, it would be because of the league you're in.Quote:
Originally Posted by mushy
In lower leagues you will get hit for your storages with an actual army more often than up in Crystal/Masters (assuming you're not a TH8 or lower, as they can be barched/BAM'd for their storages. This is b/c the league bonus for winning is so low down there, so TH snipes aren't as frequent, as they are not profitable. It's why you'll have more time off your shield before getting attacked, as players are skipping over you if they don't have the troops to take your storages. (Keep in mind that while you'll get hit more often, typically they'll be using lvl 4 troops on you and it results in a poor attack, but the concept is the same). This opens up more time for you to get potentially zapped by players with a bunch of lightning spells on hand.
Up in higher leagues, the league bonus is much higher, and the league bonus pays out exactly the same whether you get a 2% TH snipe victory using your AQ or a 3-star victory using an expensive army plus some spells. Therefore the first person who comes across your base should hit it, whether it's for the snipe or to attack the base, but the league bonus alone is enough to warrant going after the base, regardless of time/cost spent searching. You are taken out of the queue almost immediately when your shield runs out, almost always from a TH snipe, and therefore you aren't hit with an actual raid, and the only times you may get DE zapped up there is if you're holding a decent amount and the raider happens to have lightning spells on hand.
There are more things that factor into this, but the end result is that you are going to get zapped more often down in lower leagues than higher leagues, just like how you are going to get sniped more often in higher leagues than in lower leagues. Fixing elixir for walls would go a long way in solving DE zapping from lower TH levels, and restructuring the league bonus system would go a long way in fixing actual storage raids from becoming so infrequent, and therefore by comparison would make DE zapping much more welcomed by defenders (although it would be occurring less frequently).
I agree the ratio isn't affected. But its just about giving less opportunity. Frankly I welcome being zapped because it gives less opportunity for a full raid where I could lose other resources and even more DE. Unless it's a revenge zap, I always get the shield with it.
I agree with you on how I view getting zapped. But the OP doesn't so I can respect that. This is why I am looking into why it appears that guys looking at his base feel like they see more opportunity or whatever it is that compels them to more often than normal decide a zap is the way to go. That's what the screen print is for. I think all of us should look at it to see if we can find that answer. I don't even need defense logs, I want to look at the base itself and do that from the perspective of an attacker deciding what to with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba061
This is more of a complaint thread
Im in trophy league g2 or g3 . i have 100k de and i have zapped one time . i realy dont know what are you talking ... Im lvl112 almost max th9 . only what i can tell you is u need to find tropy range . i hate thunder spell too ! But dont be angry and play game . you are not the only one who hate it . soo go farm de . come to g2 or 3 . have a nice day
I love this post. the tone, the message, the wording. Beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by manticorer
Isn't sarcasm wonderful? Also, can this thread just die?Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
Oh the irony.
Not happening get over it.
Since it had gotten bounced back to page 1 yet again I though it might be good if it bounced up and down in front of the mod that's prowling. it would be a good close candidate so it would go away and this time stay away.Quote:
Originally Posted by CPH3
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Originally Posted by MomoZB
Seriously i I see this every day, there is nothing wrong with the storage, if they drop lightning spells and then end you get lots of trophys, and you save elixer and gold, I would take that 10/15 times a day rather than lose 400k gold and elixer and about ten trophys, spells take 45 minutes to cook, they cost as well, it's not a great way to get dark, they end up losing in the long run, please just get over it
was it me? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
how bout when de is struck by lightning it reduces de loot count but gives to the attacker three times the amount zaped in normal elixir
If I have lightninged your DE or if I ever do ...im not sorry im really not
What every zapper should and does say.Quote:
Originally Posted by BattleBorn007
Its funny I zap sometimes and its ok but when someone zaps me I train up an army likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Buttermink
A B C D E F G Someone shoulda told you not to zap my D (D for the Elixir that is Dark )
This is a bit irritating but you just have to go with it, no support, I believe only 1 de storage is plenty.
So, many people are complaining about having DE being stolen from them (by lightning spells) and I will be blunt (hopefully, no offense taken), but DE "robbing" part of this game, and you guys should at the very least attempt to find ways to deal with this.
I will explain the different solutions that I thought up of myself
1.) REVENGE. Remember what Liam did. Do the same. The revenge button isn't there for nothing, and if they rob DE from you, there is a decent chance that they also have a lot
2.) Acceptance: Accept that it is part of the game, and yeahhh . . . you probably don't want to do this, although this might be what you are doing right now
3.) FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE: IF THEY ARE GOING TO DROP LIGHTNING SPELLS ON YOU; DON'T BE A PUSHOVER. TEACH THEM WHO IS BOSS. MAKE 4/5 LIGHTNING SPELLS, AND DROP IT BACK ON THEM.
THIS IS LIGHTING SPELLS (or Sparta, what-ev XD)
My favorite method would be number 3 ^_^ (obvious reasons)
I'm currently at low level, new to the game and just registered here. I Was thinking about this, since I just got heal spell and used lightning sometimes before.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
Zapping the DE container sounds cheap. Since there's no need for strategy or anything besides the spell and some clicks on top of the DE container, it's essentially a trade between common and dark elixirs. I'm currently at TH 6 and already concerned about DE.
I agree with you. Not unfair, but still cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Glezen
In the future, I would keep my queue on dark barracks full, "storing" DE outside the container, with camps full. Would help a little.
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Originally Posted by MomoZB
Well what if we don't care you think it is a problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
As far as the anti-zap thread- Too many of them already. And I don't care for them.
4 things..
1) upgrade your de storage
2)put your townhall outside
3) move up in league...(around crystal 3)
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4) REVENGE