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I had a lv 144 in master 2 zap me, storage and 2 drills inside base 1 outside didn't log in on time got like 800+ from the outside drill only, his king is lv 37 his queen lv 40, BuzzZooka in Orunasol Reaper, the ♥♥♥♥ still found it needed to use hes only lightning on my DE
My belief is that higher heroes are easier to obtain at TH10 than TH9. At TH10 you get more DE production, more DE protection, and stronger troops which enable you to better steal DE from others (particularly other TH9s and TH10s who have more DE). In addition you get much better defenses against an all out attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
Because you say that all you care about is DE at this point. I figured that meant the bulk of your other structures were already upgraded. The penalty doesn't really apply much to DE because higher THs generally have a lot more DE on offer than lower ones, which I believe ultimately makes them better targets for DE farming.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
If your structures are not upgraded, I feel like focusing on heroes at TH9 is an uphill battle. TH10s are much better equipped for stealing DE from others as well as generating it themselves.
The win bonus is irrelevant really. You get that either way. I have no problem at TH10 covering my elixir costs in raids, with 200/200/1.5k raids being fairly common.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
The simple answer is it does work for gold and elixir. The more complicated answer is that DE is concentrated in a single storage making it obviously an easier target for lightning. However, I don't think the game would be well served by adding additional DE storages. I'd rather take my chances with lightning over defending another storage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
Also I don't think the game would be well served by making the DE storage immune to lightning or something. It just doesn't fit with the current game mechanics. You're asking them to distinguish between lightning damage and other forms of damage where no such distinction exists anywhere else within the game.
Furthermore, spells are supposed to impart an advantage to the player. That's why they take so long to build, are relatively expensive, and players can't really bring all that many. Honestly how often does this actually happen to you? I'm also sitting around 2400 trophies, with TH outside, and this occurs to me maybe twice a month.
Lastly, you need to distance yourself from the emotional aspect of considering it a "cheap attack" and think about it rationally. They spent 2.5 hours and nearly 150k in elixir to do this. That's not unreasonable and is in line with what someone else might spend to do a full on attack. I get that this requires less skill, but realistically the rewards as the game defines them are a lot lower. They don't get any of your other resources. They don't get any extra trophies. It's also an extremely inefficient way to raid.
Hero cost is high because they are DE sinks. Just like wall prices are high because they are gold sinks. Basically sinks give players stuff to do. The folks over at SC are pretty smart and realize that adding really expensive items means they don't have to produce as much content to keep players interested over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
So if walls are gold sink, and heroes are dark elixir sink?:smirk:Quote:
Originally Posted by dahimi
So are lighting spells to zap D.E are the elixir sink (which is why it's so inefficient)? :smirk:
Or is it dragons (with dragons 5 times faster) ? :smirk:
Troops and spells are the elixir sink...and walls now too (although I think doing this was a terrible move).Quote:
Originally Posted by NF2335
Essentially this game boils down to converting elixir to gold, de, and trophies through attacking.
This is what you did:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba061
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
I do not know if you meant to do that on purpose or what, but if you did it was pretty rude, in case you do not know better:
When I said failed attack for me, I meant the game saying I failed. I succeeded in what i aimed to do, getting the elixir and dark elixir. Not as much as I liked but I did it without exploiting an overlook.
The person failed to get anywhere near m DE, the game said he "won" because of my free TH but loot wise he failed so he want to zap me. That should not be in the game like that, it gives no benefit, and I am shocked people are defending it.
I said all of that and you are wondering why I am sitting here telling people they do not read?Quote:
Originally Posted by dahimi
1. I am no programmer so I do not know how hard or easy it is. I just want more drawbacks in doing this because like I said it is not a good idea for a single attacker to do but when a victim is bombarded several a night with no shield but gets loads of DE taken because of this flaw there is a problem. So something needs to be done, make it so DE zappers can be revenged even online/shield, Make DE immune, have a defense something or other to block the spell (like your idea just not the troll cost and reload costs you did)Quote:
Also I don't think the game would be well served by making the DE storage immune to lightning or something. It just doesn't fit with the current game mechanics. You're asking them to distinguish between lightning damage and other forms of damage where no such distinction exists anywhere else within the game.
Furthermore, spells are supposed to impart an advantage to the player. That's why they take so long to build, are relatively expensive, and players can't really bring all that many. Honestly how often does this actually happen to you? I'm also sitting around 2400 trophies, with TH outside, and this occurs to me maybe twice a month.
Lastly, you need to distance yourself from the emotional aspect of considering it a "cheap attack" and think about it rationally. They spent 2.5 hours and nearly 150k in elixir to do this. That's not unreasonable and is in line with what someone else might spend to do a full on attack. I get that this requires less skill, but realistically the rewards as the game defines them are a lot lower. They don't get any of your other resources. They don't get any extra trophies. It's also an extremely inefficient way to raid.
Hero cost is high because they are DE sinks. Just like wall prices are high because they are gold sinks. Basically sinks give players stuff to do. The folks over at SC are pretty smart and realize that adding really expensive items means they don't have to produce as much content to keep players interested over time.
The only emotional aspect that needs to leave is all the insults people are throwing at e like calling me a whiner or whatever, does it make you feel better to defend a flaw in the game or something? like being high and mighty? People kinda did that with the wall change that first made me come to these forums and guess what? it is in the game now. I think opt out clause for clan wars is whining and other stuff like that, but you don't see me insulting people over ideas.
Thank you for making my point for me. The definition of a successful or failed attack in this game is in the eye of the beholder. It's not the same for everyone. What difference does it make if his troops reached the DE and got the same amount? It makes none. Zippo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
I only called this out to show you how silly it is to make a blanket statement saying a failed attack shouldn't earn DE. He could have used his 5 lightnings to clear a path to your DE instead. But he chose to do it the lazy way, which saved you DE.
It's not a flaw. That's why we're defending it. All of the past polls show that you are in the minority in your emotional hatred of zapping. We present you logic, facts, statistical breakdowns and you ignore them all. You don't like it. We get that. Reading through your posts I can't tell if you are more angry about loosing a little DE, the fact that they didn't give you the shield that you obviously feel you deserve, or that you did not find the support you thought you would on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
Trying to address each of those, the point of the game is to find ways to take stuff from other players. That is the only point of CoC. It is a bummer when people take stuff but that is why the game exists. Next, nobody is entitled to a shield unless they spend gems on it. The point is to take stuff, not give shields. Some people snipe to climb trophies, other people dangle their TH as bait so they can fish in revenges. It is not always a good idea to snipe town halls and you shouldn't expect people to do it even though they often do. Last, the purpose of the forum (the I&FR in particular) is two fold. First for the community to support good ideas, provide fine tuning feedback as needed. Second is to dissuade bad ideas by pointing out the flaws, referencing the stickies or directing people to SC's previous responses on the topic. SC watches these forums pretty close and they absolutely DO use them to direct some of the games development. Both positive and negative feedback is massively valuable to them and therefor important. Yes, even the negative.
Unfortunately for you your idea is not new or good, nor does it provide any original thought or counter to the hundreds of identical threads and change anybody's opinion. With out some new argument that causes the majority of the community to have an epiphany you will not be able to change the well founded opinion of the 80% that disagree with you. Your reaction to that inevitable course of events is why some resorted to calling you names. Weak complaint followed by weak supporting arguments followed by ignoring the quality feedback creates an 8+ page thread of failure.
Just put your th outside bro
So only one way to steal loot is fair/viable? Am I understanding you correctly?Quote:
Originally Posted by MomoZB
Totally convienent thought process. Seems legit.