Lightning spell problem to dark elixer storage

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Originally Posted by MomoZB

There is still the issue of people zapping a viction several ties a night and not getting shield among other things. I just wanted to add there are TH 10s that do it apparently, in crystal I since people claim it does not happen.

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Well, at least you cleared that up. So you're not wanting the lightning spell nerfed just for yourself. You're just adding to the dialog, pointing out that it still happens at high levels of gameplay. Which I guess counters the suggestion typically put forward to move up in trophies. But based on what you've said, it's still pretty rare, which was the point of moving up. Moving down to 600 trophies isn't guaranteed to protect you from getting steamrolled by a stronger player, and moving up to 2400 trophies doesn't guarantee that they won't zap you. Got it! Thanks!

Still pretty rare though. That's the point. Does this happen to you 2-3 times in the night, like it would at 1200 trophies?

Oh, it doesn't. Hmm, that's weird. Totally didn't see that coming...

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Originally Posted by MomoZB

What I do not understnd is claiming it is good for the game or does this or that when it does no such thing. You can't zap gold or elixir (well anyway) so why is DE so bloody different? When it costs so flipping much on hero upgrades and huge downtime in upgrading drills?

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I don't know that it's necessarily "good" for the game. I've seen the arguments in favor of it, as a check/balance to keep high TH players from dropping too low. From a criminal justice standpoint, I don't know that it necessarily serves as a deterrent for strong players to farm at artificially low trophies, but it sure does serve as a good punishment. From that perspective, I'd say it's not bad. Not bad at all.

For low TH players who get zapped by higher TH players, that's kinda messed up, but all's fair in love and clash! Just kidding, I do kinda think that's a problem. Except that higher TH players could steamroll lower TH players most of the time anyway, so when you think about it, it's better to be zapped than steamrolled.

Think of it like this. If your defense log only showed you who attacked you, but it didn't show you what troops they used, and you couldn't watch a replay, then what would you rather see: 300k gold, 300k elixir, 2200 DE, or just 1400 DE?

Well, with just 1400 DE, maybe you can safely assume they zapped you. So make it 100k gold, 100k elixir, and 1400 DE. Which would you rather see?

You're overthinking this. You took a very small loss, when by all rights you should have taken a huge loss, and you're complaining about it.

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Originally Posted by MomoZB

why do people say 3k? it is not 3k and I said this before =.= it is 2200, more like 2241 or whatever.

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Sorry, discussion's been going back and forth between actual numbers and hypothetical numbers, so I lost sight of that. Thanks for clearing it up!

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Originally Posted by MomoZB

For asking how I get it, I never zap and never will so there. I do not care if people take it the legitimate way. (Again I said this before =.=)

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I wasn't even thinking about you zapping (gosh wouldn't that be ironic!), but thanks for clearing that up.

I just was trying to get at what your source of DE income is. Do you rely primarily on drills, with the occasional raid to supplement? Or do you rely on heavy raiding, with the drills to supplement? Or half and half?

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Well, at least you cleared that up. So you're not wanting the lightning spell nerfed just for yourself. You're just adding to the dialog, pointing out that it still happens at high levels of gameplay. Which I guess counters the suggestion typically put forward to move up in trophies. But based on what you've said, it's still pretty rare, which was the point of moving up. Moving down to 600 trophies isn't guaranteed to protect you from getting steamrolled by a stronger player, and moving up to 2400 trophies doesn't guarantee that they won't zap you. Got it! Thanks!

Still pretty rare though. That's the point. Does this happen to you 2-3 times in the night, like it would at 1200 trophies?

Oh, it doesn't. Hmm, that's weird. Totally didn't see that coming...

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I do not know how to answer that, I think I was 1200 at th6, it has been so long. What color is that even? TH7 I bounced up and down in the gold 3-1 finding DE by using spells to rush to it if needed, TH8 I was more high gold, sometimes crystal, and now just crystal II or !.

Besides that if people where not so batty aggressive and read what I had to say (maybe inference meaning/reading/comprehending well, I was forced to repeat stuff several times) All I got attacked for whining this or what, the thing is I held back talking about this because of how people act. But seeing it crystal from TH 10? yeah it should be talked about again. Plus I have TH with flags around it, Do you got any idea how quickly I am attack? If i take say 30 seconds to make a text, I am attacked, if I take say 20 seconds to hit that reload screen I see someone scouting me, having a free TH at crystal I is crazy cuz you giving away large win bonus. I get attacked by level 3,4,5,6,7s hog riders max, air bats and balloons, rare lava hound in the mix,.. I get attacked quite frequently since I consistently log off the game ans such cuz I have stuff to do. (Really want to revenge the low th people for free win bonus but my renege list is full of online/shield messages =.= )

That is the other thing, When I was lower trophy/ th i was online more and was rare I log out with a lot to take, so that is another reason I cannot answer such a question.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

I don't know that it's necessarily "good" for the game. I've seen the arguments in favor of it, as a check/balance to keep high TH players from dropping too low. From a criminal justice standpoint, I don't know that it necessarily serves as a deterrent for strong players to farm at artificially low trophies, but it sure does serve as a good punishment. From that perspective, I'd say it's not bad. Not bad at all.

For low TH players who get zapped by higher TH players, that's kinda messed up, but all's fair in love and clash! Just kidding, I do kinda think that's a problem. Except that higher TH players could steamroll lower TH players most of the time anyway, so when you think about it, it's better to be zapped than steamrolled.

Think of it like this. If your defense log only showed you who attacked you, but it didn't show you what troops they used, and you couldn't watch a replay, then what would you rather see: 300k gold, 300k elixir, 2200 DE, or just 1400 DE?

Well, with just 1400 DE, maybe you can safely assume they zapped you. So make it 100k gold, 100k elixir, and 1400 DE. Which would you rather see?

You're overthinking this. You took a very small loss, when by all rights you should have taken a huge loss, and you're complaining about it.

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That way of thinking does not work. There is too many high level people in low trophies, even saw a MAX I mean TOTALLY MAX th 10 base not to long ago in crystal I. I was tempted to attack it just to see if all the troops was maxed out. (Guess it is safe to assume it was since max level walls/ heroes take way longer to upgrade anything else in the game) I remember seeing th 10s etc in bronze, my th6 was hit by pakkas etc...


For seeing the defense log I did not need to, I got ticked off getting back on seeing the hp bars move. I knew something was not right when my village loaded.

Like I said before I was attacked by hogs. a bit ago. 280000 gold, 18000 elixir, 80% destroy but no DE. I really only care about DE loss so of course i rather see 1400 not 2200 but seeing 1400 zapped is irritating, 2200 legitimate way I go oh well...

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I wasn't even thinking about you zapping (gosh wouldn't that be ironic!), but thanks for clearing that up.

I just was trying to get at what your source of DE income is. Do you rely primarily on drills, with the occasional raid to supplement? Or do you rely on heavy raiding, with the drills to supplement? Or half and half?

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It was more to address other people while replying to you but I never answered directly for a reason. I know what you are going to say and it gets off track of the point. But fine, mostly though win bonus getting 1000+ attacks, I do skip over 200000 gold/elixir if DE is low but today I did attack a few low inactive DE bases but had over 300000 gold/elixir because I wannna upgrade my other drill. My biggest DE hits are on inactive bases though... but it really has nothing do with my main point DE storage should not be zapped and does no good for the game and offers no "checks" and offers no motivation for the general mass

Oh and I did a 30% fail attack on a TH10 because it had some like 400000+ elixir/gold and 2000-3000 DE (don't remember) I got about 300000 and 1300 ish DE but I was quite proud of that, stupid fire tower =.= usually they always stop me when i try them. It was kinda easy to rush the middle with jump spell + rage, why I tried it and see how far I could get.

Worst idea ever I'd quit the game if it was added.

There is no problem with people zapping...if someone zaps me I destroy them and take all they have to offer

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Originally Posted by Alfesicob

Worst idea ever I'd quit the game if it was added.

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Why? i can say the same thing to people whining about a clan war op out feature (and one of the supporters of that said zapping is ok, well least I assume cuz of the link the sig area) You know I seen people say the wall idea was worthless and bad (my first suggestion here and why I joined the forums) but guess what? it is in the game.

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Originally Posted by BattleBorn007

There is no problem with people zapping...if someone zaps me I destroy them and take all they have to offer

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th 10 with cetner fire towers and level 4 xbows? level 37 BK, level 32 AQ, level 8 mortar? level 8 missiles? level 9 walls with some level 10 and 11? level 13 archer tower? level 8 wizard tower, level 12 cannons (wait is this all max level other then walls and heroes?) I sure Love to know how to destroy that as th9 and take all they have to offer as you put it.

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Originally Posted by MomoZB

th 10 with cetner fire towers and level 4 xbows? level 37 BK, level 32 AQ, level 8 mortar? level 8 missiles? level 9 walls with some level 10 and 11? level 13 archer tower? level 8 wizard tower, level 12 cannons (wait is this all max level other then walls and heroes?) I sure Love to know how to destroy that as th9 and take all they have to offer as you put it.

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If that TH10 for some reason felt the need to zap me for any reason which doesnt happen, Id just bring 4 lightning spells and a Lavaloonion and take what I can idc whats the worse that can happen? I lose? Idc im not pushing

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Originally Posted by BattleBorn007

If that TH10 for some reason felt the need to zap me for any reason which doesnt happen, Id just bring 4 lightning spells and a Lavaloonion and take what I can idc whats the worse that can happen? I lose? Idc im not pushing

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all 3 xbows facing up, fire towers hit the lava hound when it gets near missiles. once missile dies the fire towers overlap. I would really like to take this guys DE at least.

I'm confused. You just said you got 1300 DE from a TH10 in a failed attack. Yet earlier you've made it abundantly clear that you think it's ourageous for a TH10 to get 1400 DE from a TH9 in a failed attack.

That makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Scuba061

I'm confused. You just said you got 1300 DE from a TH10 in a failed attack. Yet earlier you've made it abundantly clear that you think it's ourageous for a TH10 to get 1400 DE from a TH9 in a failed attack.

That makes no sense.

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None of it does. Just let this thread die. No use in using logic and facts to argue with emotions. This thread has been pointless for several pages now.