Why maxxing out every th is a fool move , for new users

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Originally Posted by Micker99

An average th9 can three star your base no problem. There is no way a th8 can defend a max level loonian attack. I don't care what your base looks like. Even a decent L6 giant AQ/BK could three star you. I'm an almost maxed th8 and I have seen th9s smoke my base, if they really want what I have. That's like a th7 saying that they have never been 3 starred by a th8.
No one can defend against the next level th if they have the appropriate troops for their level.

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That is so true. I've seen so many maxed TH8 claim that they can defend against a TH9. I always roll my eyes when they say that, and I'm sure they're not TH9 themselves. Any good TH9 can slice up a TH8 easily with one spell and one hero available.

It is often the skill of the attacker being the only determining factor, rather than the defender's layout or level of defenses. Level of defenses only raise the threshold for attacker's skill while the layout is there to trick the attacker. Any TH9 with decent skill and the AQ can totally 100% any TH8 with a giant based army, sometimes even barch if the layout is bad

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Originally Posted by SinOfDusk

I noticed that most good rushers can max both farming and war troops easily while rushing. The key thing to remember that we rushers value time, not the amount of resources it takes to get there. The best strategy for rushing is to max the bare minimum of war troops and farming troops you need. I tend to gibarch, so I maxed giants, barbs and archers; there are some rushers with different playstyles and max their troops according to playstyles.

The common point is most rushers will only max the most efficient war army we need. Guess what that army is? Lavaloons. Only requiring you to max 2 troops, at most 3 (minions) to achieve maxed war army, which can 2-3 star most th9-10. GoWixxxx armies are great, but require you to max many many troops and are usually geared towards a 2 star strategy unless you invest more time to research more varying troops.


So have you noticed that common trait of rushers? Flexibility and adaptability, which all maxers lack

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Whoa first of all you identified a common trait of a good rusher is to only maximise only the farming army they require and the war army that they will use. Because of efficient use of time.

Remember hogs before the hogs nerf? All those premmie TH7s that neglected their air defences, focused on splash defence and giant bombs and just maxed hogs and rushed to TH9 for maxed hogs and TH10 for multi target infernos. The result of that good rushing as you put it left many rushed players in a world of mass dragon pain how long did they take to adapt to that, weeks, months or just plain gave up because their one and only strategy was nerfed?

The flexibility and adaptability that a maxer has over a rusher is the versatility in armies they are able to field at any given time. When you rush and you war and you are that hog guy or dragon guy or GoWi"X" guy or Lavloon guy.... you basically restrict yourself to fielding that army and basically pigeon-hole yourself, on what bases you can attack that in no way sounds flexible or adaptable.

The flexibility that you have as maxer is you get to field whatever army is suitable based on the base, you get to tailor an army based on the base itself, rather than pre-making an army and hoping for the best.

So what if your entire strategy hinged upon lavloon and next week a nerf comes (ie, SAM deals double damage to lava hounds) how adaptable are you going to be? How flexible is the army that you can field going to be? Or if some clever base builder finally works out how to counter Lavloonion effectively?

Are you then going to have to go back to spending a couple of weeks maxing your wizards, couple of weeks maxing your wall breakers, 2 months maxing your golems, 2 months maxing your pekkas, 10 days on witches so you can field a GoWiPe or GoWiWi, that kind of recovery time just to field another viable war army?

So please tell us again what flexibility and adaptability does a rusher have?

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Originally Posted by SinOfDusk

That is so true. I've seen so many maxed TH8 claim that they can defend against a TH9. I always roll my eyes when they say that, and I'm sure they're not TH9 themselves. Any good TH9 can slice up a TH8 easily with one spell and one hero available.

It is often the skill of the attacker being the only determining factor, rather than the defender's layout or level of defenses. Level of defenses only raise the threshold for attacker's skill while the layout is there to trick the attacker. Any TH9 with decent skill and the AQ can totally 100% any TH8 with a giant based army, sometimes even barch if the layout is bad

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I'll agree to a point. Your key phrase is "attacker's skill". A skilled TH 9, using TH9 troops, can waste an 8. However, I would proffer the majority of TH9s wouldn't fit that phrase. Also, you mention balloonians ... If the 9 isn't a balloon freak, which most aren't...and given the lack of skilled 9s, then the 8 has a chance.

Skulls do help, especially inner walls. Teslas and bombs. Traps, lures and faints to lead the beginning attack where the troops walk into a kill zone of overlapping mortars, wizards, teslas, skeletons, etc

You are correct. However, the average 9 has the IQ level lower than a aardvark. And the skill to match their IQ.

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Originally Posted by Ricthegreat

You sound like you need help. Also you keep dropping the word rusher yet you claim your farm troops AND war troops are at max or near max levels. Then you claim your WT's, X-bows and several other defences are max so really wth are you "rushing"??? You then go on to say you dump all your gold in walls so they're probably also on a decent level. So where in lies this mega huge difference between someone who maxes and you? I'm no rusher, I also farm around 3 million gold an hour, always have max elixir and max out both defenses and troops at the same time. I keep a worker free and dump the gold so I'm usually quite broke till workers are about to come free. I can quickly revv up from under 300k gold to 5 million in a matter of hours. So what's your point really??? If you have one. Because if you're maxing troops since you focus on offense the lab time alone on some TH levels are longer than building upgrade times. If during this time you're supposedly looting and spending all this loot wth are you spending it on? There's only so long low level defenses remain low level if you dump all your gold into them....which is what maxers do...dump gold into stuff. If you're just maxing troops on the other hand like I said the lab time on TH8 is longer than it takes to max out all buildings so you'll be waiting around anyways as is. I think you're just caught up in trying to desperately prove a point and or you're using the term "rusher" unjustifyingly. Since a pure rushers usually has only farm troops, heal spells and lightning at an adequate level. With very ♥♥♥♥ bases and level 1 heroes. You claim to have none of these which leads me to believe you're either misguided, a fool or a troll

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You obviously have me confused with someone else. Because you are obviously misguided, a fool, and a troll. My defenses aren't maxed. Just my Wt's, and xbow are maxed. You need to learn the difference between a rusher and a premie. Premies have ♥♥♥♥ bases with lvl 1 heroes. Rushers can have maxed walls, and heroes. Rushers don't max everything in the lab. I havent maxed my lab either as most of the stuff in it is also ♥♥♥♥ that I won't use. I never said that maxers couldn't farm as much as me, so why are you flashing your awesome farming skills around?? Lol, you obviously don't know what a rusher is, so whats with all the anger? 2 posts...definitely a troll...

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Originally Posted by Micker99

An average th9 can three star your base no problem. There is no way a th8 can defend a max level loonian attack. I don't care what your base looks like. Even a decent L6 giant AQ/BK could three star you. I'm an almost maxed th8 and I have seen th9s smoke my base, if they really want what I have. That's like a th7 saying that they have never been 3 starred by a th8.
No one can defend against the next level th if they have the appropriate troops for their level.

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I can only talk about my experience. Ballonion? Never been attacked by this. Dragons army? Attacked once 2 months ago with 1 AD upgrading, that was the last 3 stars I got. Hogs? A couple times, but easy to defend. level 6 Barch? Easy to defend. The most common army that i have seen and that I may have some trouble to defend is gibarch and one hero And a couple spells used.

That being said, can my th8 base defend against 10 giants, 10 wizards, barch with both heroes and 4 spells from a th9? Not a chance. However, I rarely, if ever, had to defend against such a heavy army. Perhaps it is the league I am in (Gold 2 and 3). Over 90% of my defenses are from th snipes.

Btw, even me as a max th8, I can clean up most th8. However, i believe there are that top 5% of th8 bases that can handle pretty well against most common attacks of another th8 and early to mid th9.

This is so true. I only attacked by loonion once when i was th8. Most common attack coming from th9 is gibarch.

There is too much risk to depend on one attack comp only. Its happen with hogs user before. Having said that, i dont think lavaloonion is all that great. 2-3 star on most th9-10? I call that ♥♥, ive seen many failed lavaloon attack.

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Originally Posted by Jonra

You obviously have me confused with someone else. Because you are obviously misguided, a fool, and a troll. My defenses aren't maxed. Just my Wt's, and xbow are maxed. You need to learn the difference between a rusher and a premie. Premies have ♥♥♥♥ bases with lvl 1 heroes. Rushers can have maxed walls, and heroes. Rushers don't max everything in the lab. I havent maxed my lab either as most of the stuff in it is also ♥♥♥♥ that I won't use. I never said that maxers couldn't farm as much as me, so why are you flashing your awesome farming skills around?? Lol, you obviously don't know what a rusher is, so whats with all the anger? 2 posts...definitely a troll...

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Lol, you're on here flaunting your "superior" farming and loot management skills and the fact you're online 24/7 and people only get a shot at you twice. Hurr hurr I'm the great bad rushers, I'm untouchable blah blah, I three star anything. Even the title of your whole thread is seeped with arrogance and latent aggression branding everyone who doesn't play according to YOUR playstyle a fool. Quit being a hypocrite.
Whether you max to TH10 or rush to TH10 the end result is the same. You can spend the time upfront or retroactively. Unless you just plan to be one of those TH10's with pink walls, in which case you can join one of those clans advertising on main filled with bronze league players and level 30 guys who'll hail you as their king. And then you mighy aswell stop farming since you're already a "maxed" rusher. Then you might aswell stop playing too since no decent clan will accept you, you have nothing to farm for and all you can do is lavaloonion. Good luck wih that master of all that is rushed

Well, you're gonna be TH10 with all the offenses maxed in a few months instead of a year-ish, which is nice. However you are not going to get any new toys to play with for the rest of the game (except for the occasional new troops). Enjoy your grind.

it is not a fool move and u cant judge based on ur perspective , the clashers shall enjoy playing the game and see how to go to max base step-by-step.

I have played the game for about 9 months so far, and I have enjoyed trying all types of the troop (except valk) . I don't aim to be the first player in the game or even in top . I just entertain myself with my mates in the clan.

judging what the people are doing based on ur opinion is the real fool move. be open minded and what is suitable for u is not necessarily suitable for others.

If you want to play this game in a clan who does non combat then its your bussines. But you will be a pain for a clan who is doing wars constantly and probably you will end up being kicked out of the clan (that if you get the chance to be accepted in the first place). Even if you max out your troops it wont matter cause the other opponent who will be the same th as you will 3 star you like a boss while it will be way much harder for you to do the same. I'm almost maxed th8 and I don't remember someone getting 3 stars on my farm base either. Updated defense matter. A lot. The weaker your defense is the easier to farm you are. Even by those who are lower th then you. So as a rusher.. in the end you lose more resources and you get less. The difference between th8 and th9 is not such a big one. X-bows are not much different then an archer tower. Pretty much the same dps but it shoots faster which makes it a killer against low health troops. Th8 gives you a lot of opportunities actually with many succesfull attack strategy. Hogs can go up to lvl 4 which make a rushed th9 to be easy to 3 star. You get golems, pekkas up to lvl 3 if I'm not wrong and ofcourse mass lvl 3 dragon attack. Honestly, rushing is for those 14 years old kido who want to have dragon or pekka or don't know what troops and just lack the patience. And btw.. if rushing is so good how come rushed clans almost never win clan wars? (and when they do is because they got another rushed clan as an opponent lol). Anyway everyone is free to do what he wants. Just don't cry to hard when I'll overkill you in clan wars.

You also got the Archer Queen and room for 1 more potion and the jump spell as a TH9. So not such a huge difference. Had to mention that to avoid unwanted completions to what I said earlier just in case. I only mentioned X-Bows in the original post cause in the main post the opinion is that X-Bows are some kind of overpowered tower. Archer Queen does make a big difference but still not enough to make rushing to th9 to pay off. Just my 2 cents about it.

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Originally Posted by Jonra

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Not really, Here's why:


As long as you max your Cw troops, you're fine. Rushed Th draws lower Th. Problems happen when people who don't know how to attack rush their bases..

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Actually....that's not totally true.

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How is strength calculated in clan wars?

Strength is based on each member’s attacking power (troops, army camp capacity, spells and heroes) and defensive strength (defense buildings, walls, traps and heroes). Different layouts and base designs do not affect strength. The only way a member’s strength can be changed is if they upgrade their troops, defenses, spells, etc.

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http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Clan_Wars_FAQ

When suddenly a retort quoting your comment becomes ad hominem, I know I'm dealing with people not within my league. I think its time to leave the toxicity of forums for a long while and bury myself in my unbiased medical books.

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Originally Posted by WickedSick

You also got the Archer Queen and room for 1 more potion and the jump spell as a TH9. So not such a huge difference. Had to mention that to avoid unwanted completions to what I said earlier just in case. I only mentioned X-Bows in the original post cause in the main post the opinion is that X-Bows are some kind of overpowered tower. Archer Queen does make a big difference but still not enough to make rushing to th9 to pay off. Just my 2 cents about it.

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You must be joking right? An archer queen and 4th potion, not so much difference compared to a TH8 army...

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Originally Posted by latinlotus

You must be joking right? An archer queen and 4th potion, not so much difference compared to a TH8 army...

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You dont know what you are talking about. Ethier you are th8 or simply dumb.
The queen, th9 army ( lvl6 troops ), extra spell and 220 army camps are superior to any th8. There is no discussion on that. Please, get better at coc.

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Originally Posted by WickedSick

If you want to play this game in a clan who does non combat then its your bussines. But you will be a pain for a clan who is doing wars constantly and probably you will end up being kicked out of the clan (that if you get the chance to be accepted in the first place). Even if you max out your troops it wont matter cause the other opponent who will be the same th as you will 3 star you like a boss while it will be way much harder for you to do the same. I'm almost maxed th8 and I don't remember someone getting 3 stars on my farm base either. Updated defense matter. A lot. The weaker your defense is the easier to farm you are. Even by those who are lower th then you. So as a rusher.. in the end you lose more resources and you get less. The difference between th8 and th9 is not such a big one. X-bows are not much different then an archer tower. Pretty much the same dps but it shoots faster which makes it a killer against low health troops. Th8 gives you a lot of opportunities actually with many succesfull attack strategy. Hogs can go up to lvl 4 which make a rushed th9 to be easy to 3 star. You get golems, pekkas up to lvl 3 if I'm not wrong and ofcourse mass lvl 3 dragon attack. Honestly, rushing is for those 14 years old kido who want to have dragon or pekka or don't know what troops and just lack the patience. And btw.. if rushing is so good how come rushed clans almost never win clan wars? (and when they do is because they got another rushed clan as an opponent lol). Anyway everyone is free to do what he wants. Just don't cry to hard when I'll overkill you in clan wars.

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... and so are my clanmates. We war 24/7 by the way :)

For your information i have a rushed TH10 and TH9, I didn't rush for the troops nor things you mentionned above. If you want to know what rushers rush for and advantage we get, read all the thread about rushers in this forum.

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Originally Posted by WickedSick

If you want to play this game in a clan who does non combat then its your bussines. But you will be a pain for a clan who is doing wars constantly and probably you will end up being kicked out of the clan (that if you get the chance to be accepted in the first place). Even if you max out your troops it wont matter cause the other opponent who will be the same th as you will 3 star you like a boss while it will be way much harder for you to do the same. I'm almost maxed th8 and I don't remember someone getting 3 stars on my farm base either. Updated defense matter. A lot. The weaker your defense is the easier to farm you are. Even by those who are lower th then you. So as a rusher.. in the end you lose more resources and you get less. The difference between th8 and th9 is not such a big one. X-bows are not much different then an archer tower. Pretty much the same dps but it shoots faster which makes it a killer against low health troops. Th8 gives you a lot of opportunities actually with many succesfull attack strategy. Hogs can go up to lvl 4 which make a rushed th9 to be easy to 3 star. You get golems, pekkas up to lvl 3 if I'm not wrong and ofcourse mass lvl 3 dragon attack. Honestly, rushing is for those 14 years old kido who want to have dragon or pekka or don't know what troops and just lack the patience. And btw.. if rushing is so good how come rushed clans almost never win clan wars? (and when they do is because they got another rushed clan as an opponent lol). Anyway everyone is free to do what he wants. Just don't cry to hard when I'll overkill you in clan wars.

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Dumb much ?? A good rusher with good attack skills will get 6 stars a war. They can only get 3 on you, if they can manage that. Im th9 with maxed lavaloons and i enjoy getting my 6stars per war while not getting attacked because of my high lvl walls and wiz towers ;).
Rushing is for active players. Thats all ;)

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Originally Posted by Jonra

Lol..I never thought to read this comment from you...regardless, I Don't care if you take all my loot. As a rusher, I have never had a problem finding a place to spend it. So enjoy your 30k of each resource, you will have to expend all your troops and pretty much 100% my base though. And then, since I don't open up for attacks until I am going to sleep, or work...My collectors/mines will have recouped my losses x 10 by the time I wake up...lol.. enjoy :)



I haven't attacked an 8 in a while, but..when I did it was always a 3 star. I'm pretty much midway on maxing my defenses as a th9, still have level 8 and 9 AT's and Canns, 2 lvl5 Ad's, lvl 3 teslas, etc etc...I'm considered rushed to a point, even though I have maxed Wt's, Level 3 xbows on the way, AQ10/BK up'ing to 15, getting close to a hundred legos.

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you are at the lower end of rushed, not too rushed. However, I would just 3 star you on principle, forget the loot.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

you are at the lower end of rushed, not too rushed. However, I would just 3 star you on principle, forget the loot.

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That's great bro lol. I don't care about principles though, as this is just a game..Losing 20-30 stars..no biggie. losing my precious loot that can be gained back in 1/4 of a raid, no biggie...Like I said, have fun and enjoy :) My feelings however, won't be hurt because my rushed base got trampled on. Knowing that I was able to provide someone such as yourself with a few happy moments...priceless...

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Originally Posted by BradyF

Actually....that's not totally true.


http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Clan_Wars_FAQ

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So what you're saying is...a players strength is based off of their attack power, and defensive buildings...so if they don't max out their towers, they won't get matched against as strong of opponents...Wait, what was I saying again....??

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Originally Posted by xQQx

You dont know what you are talking about. Ethier you are th8 or simply dumb.
The queen, th9 army ( lvl6 troops ), extra spell and 220 army camps are superior to any th8. There is no discussion on that. Please, get better at coc.

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Holly cow, thank you for pointing out the obvious: TH9 better than TH8. Too many dumb people with reading comprehension issues on this forum...

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Originally Posted by WickedSick

If you want to play this game in a clan who does non combat then its your bussines. But you will be a pain for a clan who is doing wars constantly and probably you will end up being kicked out of the clan (that if you get the chance to be accepted in the first place). Even if you max out your troops it wont matter cause the other opponent who will be the same th as you will 3 star you like a boss while it will be way much harder for you to do the same. I'm almost maxed th8 and I don't remember someone getting 3 stars on my farm base either. Updated defense matter. A lot. The weaker your defense is the easier to farm you are. Even by those who are lower th then you. So as a rusher.. in the end you lose more resources and you get less. The difference between th8 and th9 is not such a big one. X-bows are not much different then an archer tower. Pretty much the same dps but it shoots faster which makes it a killer against low health troops. Th8 gives you a lot of opportunities actually with many succesfull attack strategy. Hogs can go up to lvl 4 which make a rushed th9 to be easy to 3 star. You get golems, pekkas up to lvl 3 if I'm not wrong and ofcourse mass lvl 3 dragon attack. Honestly, rushing is for those 14 years old kido who want to have dragon or pekka or don't know what troops and just lack the patience. And btw.. if rushing is so good how come rushed clans almost never win clan wars? (and when they do is because they got another rushed clan as an opponent lol). Anyway everyone is free to do what he wants. Just don't cry to hard when I'll overkill you in clan wars.

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Hmm, interesting how noobs keep thinking they know so much. Yet Hulkified, Sharonsym, Morgauth, nubcakeboxer, Forgivemenot and many others have all written entire threads on the subject of Rushing, and it's benefits. Your entire argument is that rushers get 3 starred by their opponent in CW. Yet, it has been proven that you get matched against a lower TH. Please come get my base lol..People always gotta talk about how they're gonna 3 star the rusher...lol. If you do, as the top seed in your clan, you will be attacking down. I rank lower than that, due to my rushed status...And I can pretty much guarantee 2 x 3 stars against your clan. So yeah, who's the noob here? The one that played the game and figured out how to play on my own, or the one that listened to everyone telling him not to rush,(cuz he was scared of being kicked from a clan)?? Check out Clan "The Rushed One", and please, in the future, don't confuse rushers with premies. Premies lack attack skills, strong troops, and the ability to make a strong defense.

And with that, I am done with this thread. Enjoy your game however you want lol.. I play to win. I don't have to make the excuse that I get to try all the different troops. I don't care. I have what I want, the ability to farm whatever defense I need at th9 in a couple hours. Well, Xbows lvl 3 did take me a little over 3 for each, but regardless..I have always said it's great that you guys feel like wasting all your time maxing. I'm happy for you :) The overwhelming ability of people such as yourselves to disregard fact in your arguments is neverending. The maxer mentality is outdated, and unneccesary. There are better ways to play this game, but since it's so hard to match yourself against actual talented "rushers", the world may never know. One thing you should know, all those people who's bases you slaughter are not rushers. They are more than likely gemmers, or actual noobs who have no idea how to play this game. Putting them in the same category as rushers doesn't even make sense to those of us who Rush. Unfortunately you will never know, because you're happy in your little box.

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Originally Posted by HFlashman

I'll agree to a point. Your key phrase is "attacker's skill". A skilled TH 9, using TH9 troops, can waste an 8. However, I would proffer the majority of TH9s wouldn't fit that phrase. Also, you mention balloonians ... If the 9 isn't a balloon freak, which most aren't...and given the lack of skilled 9s, then the 8 has a chance.

Skulls do help, especially inner walls. Teslas and bombs. Traps, lures and faints to lead the beginning attack where the troops walk into a kill zone of overlapping mortars, wizards, teslas, skeletons, etc

You are correct. However, the average 9 has the IQ level lower than a aardvark. And the skill to match their IQ.

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Two important factors here when analyzing attack probability of Th9 3* a TH8:
-attacking skill
-army composition
If both of these factors are there, then achieving a 3* on a max TH8 should not be too hard. However, the average attacker is not so good, and most farm armies are weak, then that is the reason that as a TH8, I have not been 3* in while. I am not claiming my base can sustain any attack, just that the attacks I have seen were weak.

On a separate note, I believe army composition is a bit more important factor to achieve 3*. I don't care what is your attacking skill, but if you bring level 6 barch with both heroes, 2* is possible (even probable) but there is little chance you can 3* my TH8 base.

God this thread irritates me. I do kinda like it for other people's clans, you know cuz I like going up against weak clans in war, lol. Maxing is super important:

1. Get used to maxing as you will need the stuff leveled up when you get to TH8 and 9 anyway.

2. Weak bases with a rushed TH messes up your war matchup (every war we have won by 10 stars or more had a lot of rushed TH's)

3. Go ahead and level your stuff up at TH6 when you really wont be raided by that many TH8's because it isn't worth their time and no TH9 or 10 will touch you.

4. Farmers like me love to camp out in S3 - G2 looking for TH7 and 8's who have rushed, cuz with a simple raiding army I can 100% and take all your stuff.

5. Lets do some math. At TH9 my raiding comp (12 giants, 52 Arch, 52 Barb, 40 Gob, 8 WBs) cost me 70k (the number isn't important the fact is troop cost goes up every TH level). So you compound this rising cost with the loot penalty for attacking TH's lower then yourself. If I attack a TH8 not only do I incur the 10% penalty, but because of my troops being upgraded I spend 15-20% more on attacking. Lets say I raid for 150K of each gold and elixir. Right off the bat it is only 135k each cuz of the penalty, plus I am profiting 10k less elixir because of upgraded troops. So the profit assuming I didn't hit next 20 times (which is also a rising cost, that when compounded should be taken into consideration over the time spent at a TH level) is 135k gold and 55k elixir. Saving up elixir 55k at a time isn't that good, you aren't gonna get the 5.3M you need for lvl 7 wizards any time soon. Oh but yeah you only have lvl 4 wiz towers so you'll just get raided for the loot and have nothing anyway.

So lets recap here. Perhaps you could get away with rushing to TH6 if you wanted, but you build a pyramid from the bottom up and it is more then just about your base. Take the time in the beginning of the game to learn the mechanics of the game itself. Rushing puts you up against more experienced players and that means you have to adjust to a learning curve quickly. It also means that the 12 year olds who read this stupid thread think its ok to rush....get to TH8, get discouraged because of the climb they have to max it and stop playing. Skill and experience are built over time, don't influence people who are new to the game to make bad decisions right off the bat.

Back to my original point I enjoy the easy money that comes from rushed bases...so do whatever....just know I'll be waiting to take all your loot and show you why it was stupid....

My clan is filled with disgusting preemies, but it's not such a bad thing. Here's why.

My main is a th9. Truthfully at first I wish I would have stayed longer since I got ahead of my core lab upgrades and I thought I was going to be quacked in war matchups. Then I realized even with more walls and an xbow, I'm still matched up against low level th8s. I experimented with all kinds of town halls and tried skewing points in either direction with offense and defense. Truthfully if you want to completely dominate wars have near defenseless/offenseless bases with everything low level except for barracks and troops. You'll always be matched with th-3-6. There's a th10 in my clan matched up against low level th7s. Now you shoot yourself in the foot with farming so there's drawbacks with everything.
Now everybody has their opinions on what is maxing and rushing. Is maxing upgrading every single tower and wall to it's maximum level before upgrading townhall? If you skip walls and heroes, is it still maxing or is it considered rushing? No mater how you define it, this game has to have a plan to advance. Maxing will always prepares you for the next town hall upgrade. Rushing is playing the game as efficiently as possible. Take for example Morgauth rushed to th10 in 5 months and only upgraded barch and currently what are the best war troops available. He can make just as much gold/elixir plus 5 times the DE at th10 vs th9. He's farming all 3 resources at once and matchmaking in war gets him 3 stars on his mirror who is 1-2 levels lower who can't do the same to him.
Someone mentioned what about flexibility if they nerf a troop. Well for one if you can farm, trophy push and war decently you can just adapt to whatever the new thing is and he has those options. In a good war engineered rushed clan, everyone shouldn't have the same troops upgraded and even equal in defensive power clan mates shouldn't have the same kind of counter bases.
To be a good rusher, you have to be a loot meteorologist/logistics specialist/war tactician. Know what leagues have your victims in it, have a resource dump and know how to raid so intelligently you know the troops' A.I very personally. Rushers should only make up a small percentage of the clash community. Not too many people have the time, patience or skill to do it. Don't promote rushing to everyone or you'll have a game full of rage quitting, incapable preemies advancing town halls ahead of core troops and their skill level. It's efficient, but has to be planned and executed properly.

I guess I want to say play how you want to, but it has been proven that rushing faster.

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And with that, I am done with this thread. Enjoy your game however you want lol.. I play to win. I don't have to make the excuse that I get to try all the different troops. I don't care. I have what I want, the ability to farm whatever defense I need at th9 in a couple hours. Well, Xbows lvl 3 did take me a little over 3 for each, but regardless..I have always said it's great that you guys feel like wasting all your time maxing. I'm happy for you :) The overwhelming ability of people such as yourselves to disregard fact in your arguments is neverending. The maxer mentality is outdated, and unneccesary. There are better ways to play this game, but since it's so hard to match yourself against actual talented "rushers", the world may never know. One thing you should know, all those people who's bases you slaughter are not rushers. They are more than likely gemmers, or actual noobs who have no idea how to play this game. Putting them in the same category as rushers doesn't even make sense to those of us who Rush. Unfortunately you will never know, because you're happy in your little box.

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You finally tired now dont you? We maxer enjoy our game pretty much like you. Its useless for you to try forcing us to follow your method. There is reason why, because we're happy with how we play.

Anyone who says its not worth upgrading archer towers because Xbows are much more powerful I just stop reading.

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God this thread irritates me. I do kinda like it for other people's clans, you know cuz I like going up against weak clans in war, lol. Maxing is super important:

1. Get used to maxing as you will need the stuff leveled up when you get to TH8 and 9 anyway.

2. Weak bases with a rushed TH messes up your war matchup (every war we have won by 10 stars or more had a lot of rushed TH's)

3. Go ahead and level your stuff up at TH6 when you really wont be raided by that many TH8's because it isn't worth their time and no TH9 or 10 will touch you.

4. Farmers like me love to camp out in S3 - G2 looking for TH7 and 8's who have rushed, cuz with a simple raiding army I can 100% and take all your stuff.

5. Lets do some math. At TH9 my raiding comp (12 giants, 52 Arch, 52 Barb, 40 Gob, 8 WBs) cost me 70k (the number isn't important the fact is troop cost goes up every TH level). So you compound this rising cost with the loot penalty for attacking TH's lower then yourself. If I attack a TH8 not only do I incur the 10% penalty, but because of my troops being upgraded I spend 15-20% more on attacking. Lets say I raid for 150K of each gold and elixir. Right off the bat it is only 135k each cuz of the penalty, plus I am profiting 10k less elixir because of upgraded troops. So the profit assuming I didn't hit next 20 times (which is also a rising cost, that when compounded should be taken into consideration over the time spent at a TH level) is 135k gold and 55k elixir. Saving up elixir 55k at a time isn't that good, you aren't gonna get the 5.3M you need for lvl 7 wizards any time soon. Oh but yeah you only have lvl 4 wiz towers so you'll just get raided for the loot and have nothing anyway.

So lets recap here. Perhaps you could get away with rushing to TH6 if you wanted, but you build a pyramid from the bottom up and it is more then just about your base. Take the time in the beginning of the game to learn the mechanics of the game itself. Rushing puts you up against more experienced players and that means you have to adjust to a learning curve quickly. It also means that the 12 year olds who read this stupid thread think its ok to rush....get to TH8, get discouraged because of the climb they have to max it and stop playing. Skill and experience are built over time, don't influence people who are new to the game to make bad decisions right off the bat.

Back to my original point I enjoy the easy money that comes from rushed bases...so do whatever....just know I'll be waiting to take all your loot and show you why it was stupid....

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... those who only max defenses and don't have war troops harm its clan in war. It's them who get you a bad matchmaking, just for your info. I can tell you maxers have a tendency to get bad matchmaking, especially those defense lovers who have 5 builders upgrading nonstop their defense.

If a Th8 really manage to get all the loot from my rused TH9, no problem, because i can easily 3 stars them back if i want to revenge (which i rarely do). Besides, i don't see much TH8 in crystal-master leagues... when i see one, they either snipe my TH or just zap my DE. Not trying to convince anyone to rush, just sharing my rushing experiences with everyone. :)

If you have a clan of rushers...ya it would be ok, if you a mix of max and rush, it hurts the clan in war. We max out each TH level, yes our TH9's get us TH10 on the enemy, we still 2 star them and win the war. The rushed Th10's from the enemy get lucky to 1 star us. Go ahead and rush, does not bother me and maxing has not posed a problem for matching in war. I pray for a good TH10 for the loot bonus. Having a couple of rushers in our clan did cost us our only war loss, the easy 3 stars they gave up ended up being the difference in the war. We no longer allow rushers at any level in the clan. If you are going to max, max out evenly (offense/defense), if you are going to rush, stay with the rushers. Everyone has a plan, if there was a perfect plan, it would be used by everyone. So in the end, neither of us is right or has the right plan. Just play the game.

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This guy agrees with the OP:

http://i.imgur.com/h9Jae46.jpg?1

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This guy must be a hardcore clasher!!

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So what you're saying is...a players strength is based off of their attack power, and defensive buildings...so if they don't max out their towers, they won't get matched against as strong of opponents...Wait, what was I saying again....??

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Not arguing the principles of rushing.....100% agree with them, however, I'm just saying that highly advanced war troops count in matchmaking too....not just defensive structures.

http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Clan_Wars_FAQ

I like Hulk's video's but in the quote you posted he is inferring that by Maxing your offense, it won't have much of an impact on clan wars. The above link says otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Hulkifiedhttp://supercell-forum-content.s3.am...post-right.pngRushed Th's in Clan Wars:
TH level means nothing in wars, defence level is what makes your match making score.
So no, having low level towers does not bring in another max th9 that your clan has to face, skipping TH8 would bring in max TH7 or early TH8s to vs you. After you start making decent headway into your TH9 defences it will be mid-high level th8 to your score brings in. So in reality as long as the focus of rushers is on offence you are never a burden to your clan but a boon.
Premie TH9 with th7 defence = same score as max TH7 level
Early th9 but still 90% th7 defences = early-mid th8 score level
Max TH9 splash and th7 point decnes = max th8-early th9 score level
Going to the next TH:
Do it, dont listen to the max everything bible thumper they just repeat what others told them before hand instead of understanding the game

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I prefer people who max. They are my main source of income. I rarely raid collectors since they are not available. My favorite target are the dumb th8s maxing because they read it online. There is a guy in my clan who has played the same time as me but stayed to max th8. Im lightyears ahead, in terms of offense and defence. Whats funny is, he raised troops he never used, like healers and goblins and valkyries for the sake of maxing. I always bring 5-6 stars to war, he cant. I get 1 starred at most, th8s mass drAg him for 3...

i give better troops to fellow members and the funny part, my defenses are all higher than his ( wizard towers, mortars, teslas and ADs. The only thing he has higher is cannon by 1 lvl and archer towers by 1 lvl.

I advice everyone to max, only because im selfish (;

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This guy must be a hardcore clasher!!

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Thats not a smart rusher, its a premmie. Be ignorant somewhere else, please.

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I prefer people who max. They are my main source of income. I rarely raid collectors since they are not available. My favorite target are the dumb th8s maxing because they read it online. There is a guy in my clan who has played the same time as me but stayed to max th8. Im lightyears ahead, in terms of offense and defence. Whats funny is, he raised troops he never used, like healers and goblins and valkyries for the sake of maxing. I always bring 5-6 stars to war, he cant. I get 1 starred at most, th8s mass drAg him for 3...

i give better troops to fellow members and the funny part, my defenses are all higher than his ( wizard towers, mortars, teslas and ADs. The only thing he has higher is cannon by 1 lvl and archer towers by 1 lvl.

I advice everyone to max, only because im selfish (;

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Hahahaha now hats why you go on zapping th9s and th10! you dont have the skill to attack except people lower level than u hehe

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Hahahaha now hats why you go on zapping th9s and th10! you dont have the skill to attack except people lower level than u hehe

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Ad hominem at its best

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Paragraphs, and manners. There are a few different types of rushers, some upgrade when they reach any bottleneck (walls, defenses, lab completion), some just upgrade all the way to 10 and max farming troops, some defensesless, some just skip over 8 to 9. Each has their own different playstyle.

While maxing has its merits (I still find most people still can't say why it is good, sheeples :rolleyes:), the change in meta, ie. the introduction of lava hounds and the revert of lix-to-walls update made it such that the most efficient route now is to rush. Then depending on your playstyle and needs, stay at TH9 or move to TH10

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When suddenly a retort quoting your comment becomes ad hominem, I know I'm dealing with people not within my league. I think its time to leave the toxicity of forums for a long while and bury myself in my unbiased medical books.

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Ad hominem at its best

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Hypocrisy at its best.

Oh please, so now i must rush to th10?

X-bows do not scare me, especially when realising all other defenses are really bad...

I think this should be changed to, why rushing out every th is a fool move.

The game is about offense and defense. If you rush, your defense is going to suck and you're going to get 3 starred. New users need to use the time that it takes to max out their base to become good attackers. If you're a ♥♥♥♥ attacker with rushed defenses no one is going to want you in their clan.

Well as a maxed out TH10 bar Heroes/Walls I can say other than DE loot is significantly worse every TH level. By worse I mean on average the total Gold/Elixir per hour I can gain unboosted Barching. Loonion in Master is nice but still nothing compared to Barch on GPH. The simple fact is the higher TH and Trophy you go the smaller the total pool of players and thus although you see some epic loot at times, more skips are generally required (1kG a pop) and at times you will literally not find anything worth raiding for 2-300 skips.

Moving TH up with offense first has its benefits of course but loot isn't one.

So lets take a situation where everyone in both sides rushes apart from a couple of people on one side.
Its quite possible everyone gets 3 starred apart from the 2 non rushers.

You can be a rushed TH9 with max pekka and golem but still only 2 star Th9 while your non rushed opponent with better defences but a lower gowipe will quite probably 3 star you.

I'm a non rushed TH10 half way through and when in war I come across 2 rushed TH10 at the top I often 3 star them while they do not even want to attack me. Then my number 2 who is a good TH9 has 2 free cleanup attacks.

Now ya don't have to be pedantic about it, a few bombs or bits of wall not upgraded fine... and purple wall on the outside is pretty good till TH10... Mortars are generally ♥♥♥♥ higher up, sure for the barch but they will be the last thing I do at TH10. Teslas, and towers, only a mug would not upgrade... Xbow level 1 are worse than archer towers while at level 3 they are solid as a rock. Low level heroes and you will really struggle to get good stars.

For those that do not get what I am saying... good!

Please please everyone rush apart form our clan. This post makes me laugh, in particular when people say rushing is fine and good for war and only idiots waving books would not rush.... PML

The Beasties! ... not the best clan in the world but we hold our head high

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Whoa first of all you identified a common trait of a good rusher is to only maximise only the farming army they require and the war army that they will use. Because of efficient use of time.

Remember hogs before the hogs nerf? All those premmie TH7s that neglected their air defences, focused on splash defence and giant bombs and just maxed hogs and rushed to TH9 for maxed hogs and TH10 for multi target infernos. The result of that good rushing as you put it left many rushed players in a world of mass dragon pain how long did they take to adapt to that, weeks, months or just plain gave up because their one and only strategy was nerfed?

The flexibility and adaptability that a maxer has over a rusher is the versatility in armies they are able to field at any given time. When you rush and you war and you are that hog guy or dragon guy or GoWi"X" guy or Lavloon guy.... you basically restrict yourself to fielding that army and basically pigeon-hole yourself, on what bases you can attack that in no way sounds flexible or adaptable.

The flexibility that you have as maxer is you get to field whatever army is suitable based on the base, you get to tailor an army based on the base itself, rather than pre-making an army and hoping for the best.

So what if your entire strategy hinged upon lavloon and next week a nerf comes (ie, SAM deals double damage to lava hounds) how adaptable are you going to be? How flexible is the army that you can field going to be? Or if some clever base builder finally works out how to counter Lavloonion effectively?

Are you then going to have to go back to spending a couple of weeks maxing your wizards, couple of weeks maxing your wall breakers, 2 months maxing your golems, 2 months maxing your pekkas, 10 days on witches so you can field a GoWiPe or GoWiWi, that kind of recovery time just to field another viable war army?

So please tell us again what flexibility and adaptability does a rusher have?

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Stupid point, you spent all that time talking about how rushers have lower troops than maxers but if they start at the same time they will get the same amount of upgrades done. Maxers are the ones who would be levelling troops like valks, goblins and healers though so they would be behind.

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So lets take a situation where everyone in both sides rushes apart from a couple of people on one side.
Its quite possible everyone gets 3 starred apart from the 2 non rushers.

You can be a rushed TH9 with max pekka and golem but still only 2 star Th9 while your non rushed opponent with better defences but a lower gowipe will quite probably 3 star you.

I'm a non rushed TH10 half way through and when in war I come across 2 rushed TH10 at the top I often 3 star them while they do not even want to attack me. Then my number 2 who is a good TH9 has 2 free cleanup attacks.

Now ya don't have to be pedantic about it, a few bombs or bits of wall not upgraded fine... and purple wall on the outside is pretty good till TH10... Mortars are generally ♥♥♥♥ higher up, sure for the barch but they will be the last thing I do at TH10. Teslas, and towers, only a mug would not upgrade... Xbow level 1 are worse than archer towers while at level 3 they are solid as a rock. Low level heroes and you will really struggle to get good stars.

For those that do not get what I am saying... good!

Please please everyone rush apart form our clan. This post makes me laugh, in particular when people say rushing is fine and good for war and only idiots waving books would not rush.... PML

The Beasties! ... not the best clan in the world but we hold our head high

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Thanks Nada. haha

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So lets take a situation where everyone in both sides rushes apart from a couple of people on one side.
Its quite possible everyone gets 3 starred apart from the 2 non rushers.

You can be a rushed TH9 with max pekka and golem but still only 2 star Th9 while your non rushed opponent with better defences but a lower gowipe will quite probably 3 star you.

I'm a non rushed TH10 half way through and when in war I come across 2 rushed TH10 at the top I often 3 star them while they do not even want to attack me. Then my number 2 who is a good TH9 has 2 free cleanup attacks.

Now ya don't have to be pedantic about it, a few bombs or bits of wall not upgraded fine... and purple wall on the outside is pretty good till TH10... Mortars are generally ♥♥♥♥ higher up, sure for the barch but they will be the last thing I do at TH10. Teslas, and towers, only a mug would not upgrade... Xbow level 1 are worse than archer towers while at level 3 they are solid as a rock. Low level heroes and you will really struggle to get good stars.

For those that do not get what I am saying... good!

Please please everyone rush apart form our clan. This post makes me laugh, in particular when people say rushing is fine and good for war and only idiots waving books would not rush.... PML

The Beasties! ... not the best clan in the world but we hold our head high

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Wrong. Firstly there are different degrees of rushing which you neglect.
Secondly you compare a rushed th9 to a maxed th9, when you should be comparing it to a maxed th8. In which case the th9 would win.

Sharon and ash are the only rusher that i admire. However both dont do war and theyre really active.

Rushing can be the best strategy for a small portion of the clash of clan population. The problem with threads like this is that they get read by a bigger slice of the population who will take away improper advice. Too many people will do it wrong or will not be active enough to reap the benefits. The rule of thumb is still to max out your base at each townhall but like all rules, there are some exceptions.

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So lets take a situation where everyone in both sides rushes apart from a couple of people on one side.
Its quite possible everyone gets 3 starred apart from the 2 non rushers.

You can be a rushed TH9 with max pekka and golem but still only 2 star Th9 while your non rushed opponent with better defences but a lower gowipe will quite probably 3 star you.

I'm a non rushed TH10 half way through and when in war I come across 2 rushed TH10 at the top I often 3 star them while they do not even want to attack me. Then my number 2 who is a good TH9 has 2 free cleanup attacks.

Now ya don't have to be pedantic about it, a few bombs or bits of wall not upgraded fine... and purple wall on the outside is pretty good till TH10... Mortars are generally ♥♥♥♥ higher up, sure for the barch but they will be the last thing I do at TH10. Teslas, and towers, only a mug would not upgrade... Xbow level 1 are worse than archer towers while at level 3 they are solid as a rock. Low level heroes and you will really struggle to get good stars.

For those that do not get what I am saying... good!

Please please everyone rush apart form our clan. This post makes me laugh, in particular when people say rushing is fine and good for war and only idiots waving books would not rush.... PML

The Beasties! ... not the best clan in the world but we hold our head high

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Thanks for the effort of trying to compare...

But my 5 months old rushed TH9 has max lavaloonion and spells, which is the most powerful war troops a max TH9 can get. Without gems, what level of TH a maxer can get in a 5 months account? In war, my rushed TH9 get matchup with TH8 which i don't even bother to attack and TH8 barely 2 stars my base (3 starred once a while).. in an other hand i 3 star top TH9s and even th10.

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Rushing can be the best strategy for a small portion of the clash of clan population. The problem with threads like this is that they get read by a bigger slice of the population who will take away improper advice. Too many people will do it wrong or will not be active enough to reap the benefits. The rule of thumb is still to max out your base at each townhall but like all rules, there are some exceptions.

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Not true... i saw many new players get bored of trying to max everything but after 2-3 months they quit. Why ? maybe they are tired of being bullied by higher level TH and keep losing their loots or lose patience because they can't use any advanced troops.

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Not true... i saw many new players get bored of trying to max everything but after 2-3 months they quit. Why ? maybe they are tired of being bullied by higher level TH and keep losing their loots or lose patience because they can't use any advanced troops.

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Yep, because everyone is scared of rushed bases and no one attacks them. When I see a rushed TH9, or any rushed TH, I always leave them alone, they are no match and cannot be bullied :(

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Yep, because everyone is scared of rushed bases and no one attacks them. When I see a rushed TH9, I always leave them alone, they are no match and cannot be bullied :(

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If you consider attacking a base that can strike you back bullying, guess you are bullying TH9-TH10 maxer when you snipe TH and zap their DE. :)

Maxing everything is a fool move, but maxing important staff isnt.

You must to plan, what you will need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_cJ9mnZW3A

TH7 3 stars rushed TH9 in war.....about that rushing thing again?

ignorance - lack of knowledge or information

stupid - lack of intelligence or common sense

conclusion rushing is stupid and costs you war wins.

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Not true... i saw many new players get bored of trying to max everything but after 2-3 months they quit. Why ? maybe they are tired of being bullied by higher level TH and keep losing their loots or lose patience because they can't use any advanced troops.

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On the flip side of that coin, how many rushers quit when they get tired of being smashed, having a powerful farming/war army is fine, but keeping your loot doesn't rely n your army.

Everyone should max at each town hall level because, simply because of loot penalties, if you are a town hall 8, you will take 50% less loot from a town hall 6 than a town hall six would, so if you max out at every level you won't get flattened by people, or those who can take all of your loot won't take much because of the loot penalties. I used to be a premmie town hall 8 and I maxed and then joined a hardcore farming clan (ex family), I am now in a clan with some old friends from that clan, I am much happier that I maxed my town hall, because now even some town hall 10s fail against me.

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On the flip side of that coin, how many rushers quit when they get tired of being smashed, having a powerful farming/war army is fine, but keeping your loot doesn't rely n your army.

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The worst scenario that could happen is when our storages are full... which mean attacker will get around 400k of each. But 400k of each can easily get it back within 2-3 raids...and how often you have all storages full?

You know what, I rarely have troops in my CC to defend my base in both my accounts because i know i can easily get back what i lost, so why bother do defend and why not give some loot back to other clashers since those loot weren't mine anyway.

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On the flip side of that coin, how many rushers quit when they get tired of being smashed, having a powerful farming/war army is fine, but keeping your loot doesn't rely n your army.

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anyone who is bothered by getting their resources taken or base destroyed will quit this game no matter what. Maxing your base somehow stops people from taking your loot? Why do you care if a TH9 or a TH7 takes all your loot?

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anyone who is bothered by getting their resources taken or base destroyed will quit this game no matter what. Maxing your base somehow stops people from taking your loot? Why do you care if a TH9 or a TH7 takes all your loot?

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Merely pointing out that for every argument you put up there's a flip side, which illustrates the point that there's no right or wrong way to do it, unless you're a rusher desperately putting arguments forward to justify your actions.

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Merely pointing out that for every argument you put up there's a flip side, which illustrates the point that there's no right or wrong way to do it, unless you're a rusher desperately putting arguments forward to justify your actions.

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It doesn't matter peeps. play how you want. Maxers can't understand rushers. Rushers can't understand Maxers. Rushers aren't desperate for anything, just annoyed at people who turn a blind eye to all the work we "Rushers" have put into threads to show them that there's another way to play. The OP was trying to show people that, but since he used the word fool(possibly) this has just turned into one more place for Maxers to bash the minority(rushers). It's sad that rushers get lumped together with premies, who often have no idea how to attack/play in general, but thats just the way it is. If you don't agree with Rushing, that's fine. But why do you have to come into someone else's thread and bash them for trying something out of the box? come on people...

I still think Maxing out is the way to go.

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. But why do you have to come into someone else's thread and bash them for trying something out of the box? come on people...

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The OP insinuated maxxers are fools, so what you're saying is rushers can claim what ever they like with out any one questioning them........... Really!



Where do you get the idea that matters are the majority and rushers the minority? If anything it's the other way around, which is as it should be, we makers are a select club, we don't want just any one joining it :) (that's tongue in cheek by the way)

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The OP insinuated matters are fools, so what you're saying is rushers can claim what ever they like with out any one questioning them........... Really!



Where do you get the idea that matters are the majority and rushers the minority? If anything it's the other way around, which is as it should be, we makers are a select club, we don't want just any one joining it :) (that's tongue in cheek by the way)

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Couldn't care less. Rushers are the minority until maxers clump them in the same group as premies and gemmers. Maxers are definitely not a select group. There are a select few who actually rush correctly. It takes an understanding of the game to constantly be successful, with lower level defenses. Whereas, pretty much everyone can spend months and months and months at each th level, just to upgrade again and do the same thing at the next th level.. Some have tried, failed and are now on this thread bashing rushers...lol. And I already stated previously that OP saying fool in his thread title wasn't right..

You completely missed my saying maxxers is a select club was tongue in cheek didn't you hahahahaha. :rolleyes:

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You completely missed my saying maxxers is a select club was tongue in cheek didn't you hahahahaha. :rolleyes:

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You completely missed my saying couldn't care less didn't you hahahaha. But yeah, I feel the need to spell it out for everyone. Since so many with the "maxer" mentality can't relax and let this stuff go....

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You completely missed my saying couldn't care less didn't you hahahaha. But yeah, I feel the need to spell it out for everyone. Since so many with the "maxer" mentality can't relax and let this stuff go....

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saying you couldn't care less means that you actually care a little:D should have said " I don't care at all " - meaning there was never any part of you that cared.

I couldn't disagree with this post more, max each th was the best move i've done, sets your base up so much better for when you're new at the next th level. loot is better the lower your th is and searching is cheaper. rushing only makes your end goal farther away.

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I couldn't disagree with this post more, max each th was the best move i've done, sets your base up so much better for when you're new at the next th level. loot is better the lower your th is and searching is cheaper. rushing only makes your end goal farther away.

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You completely missed my saying couldn't care less didn't you hahahaha. But yeah, I feel the need to spell it out for everyone. Since so many with the "maxer" mentality can't relax and let this stuff go....

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You couldn't care less, but you feel the need to keep coming back, me thinks the Premmie, sorry rusher, doth protest to much.

Comedy gold :D

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saying you couldn't care less means that you actually care a little:D should have said " I don't care at all " - meaning there was never any part of you that cared.

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Uhm actually...could care less would mean I care a little...Couldn't care less means there's no possible way for me to care less...meaning zero...

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Originally Posted by Springerrob

You couldn't care less, but you feel the need to keep coming back, me thinks the Premmie, sorry rusher, doth protest to much.

Comedy gold :D

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Actually the premie sorry rusher isnt premie and never was. Once again, Maxer have to resort to bashing, what a surprise. Guess I have to speak to you on your level. I have 6 months in the game, and am getting closer and closer to maxed th9. I have never been sorry about rushing as It has worked out great for me. Monkey see monkey do maxers (like you)cant understand this, because all you know how to do is what the monkey ahead of you has done. Lol how lame...That said...For an old mature player like those in your clan claim to be, you sure do have zero problems coming into this thread and bashing people for how they play a simple game. I'd be ashamed..

Maxing is tough and time consuming I agree , But after clan war came into picture defense upgrades became serious.

I would suggest anyone to rush with partial defense and required troop upgrades upto th6. But Th7 on wards maxing out stuffs play an important role.

It really annoying when we have a rushed th9 with xbows matched with good opponents. When you have 2 or 3 such players it really makes a difference.

Regarding the comments about th8s are farmed often by th9. After upgrading my walls to decent number of Level 8 , I barely got raided . People have this fear on seeing maxed walls. But exceptions are good raiders, No matter whether you are a rushed th9 or maxed th8, you are screwed if they are with spells and good troops

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Originally Posted by Rajag89

Maxing is tough and time consuming I agree , But after clan war came into picture defense upgrades became serious.

I would suggest anyone to rush with partial defense and required troop upgrades upto th6. But Th7 on wards maxing out stuffs play an important role.

It really annoying when we have a rushed th9 with xbows matched with good opponents. When you have 2 or 3 such players it really makes a difference.

Regarding the comments about th8s are farmed often by th9. After upgrading my walls to decent number of Level 8 , I barely got raided . People have this fear on seeing maxed walls. But exceptions are good raiders, No matter whether you are a rushed th9 or maxed th8, you are screwed if they are with spells and good troops

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This is true if you worry about defense. Rushers do not. As far as farming goes, I always have a place to dump gold/elixir/de. So I never have to worry about getting raided. My teslas/ canns / and Archer towers are lower level than my clanmates(maxers). Everything else is either the same or 1 level higher. I haven't been 3 starred in war in a very long time. If I can hold my opponent to 2 stars, I am perfectly fine with that. Although TheRealChrism promises me 3 stars(along with all the other ragers on this thread), so I can't wait to see them do it :)

I'm not reading 17pages, but isn't the end game to max everything? Who cares how one gets there. Just play the game how YOU want to play and be able to find enjoyment. Seems pretty simple to me. It's not that serious folks.

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Originally Posted by R3dB3anTig3r

I'm not reading 17pages, but isn't the end game to max everything? Who cares how one gets there. Just play the game how YOU want to play and be able to find enjoyment. Seems pretty simple to me. It's not that serious folks.

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I have always said this(until recently getting bashed contantly), but anytime I try to show people how I play, it's WWIII, like I just spit on their parents grave or something...But I always say play how you want to...it is a game after all

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Originally Posted by Jonra

I have always said this(until recently getting bashed contantly), but anytime I try to show people how I play, it's WWIII, like I just spit on their parents grave or something...But I always say play how you want to...it is a game after all

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�� I suppose sometimes it's tough for some to hear that the way they are playing the game is being challenged as being wrong/inefficient/etc. Like I/you say, it doesn't matter as long as you are enjoying the journey. Case in point, 4 of my builders have been idle (only upgrading heroes/walls) last couple months. I understand I've wasted a lot of time trying to max myTH9 as I'd probably be a mid-TH10 had I upgraded. It doesn't bother me one bit, TH10 will still be there if/when I decide to upgrade. To me, it's not a sprint, but a marathon and I'm trying to finish the TH9 Marathon. :cool:

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Originally Posted by R3dB3anTig3r

�� I suppose sometimes it's tough for some to hear that the way they are playing the game is being challenged as being wrong/inefficient/etc. Like I/you say, it doesn't matter as long as you are enjoying the journey. Case in point, 4 of my builders have been idle (only upgrading heroes/walls) last couple months. I understand I've wasted a lot of time trying to max myTH9 as I'd probably be a mid-TH10 had I upgraded. It doesn't bother me one bit, TH10 will still be there if/when I decide to upgrade. To me, it's not a sprint, but a marathon and I'm trying to finish the TH9 Marathon. :cool:

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Yep :) It's nice to sit back and relax sometimes. Besides that, having 29/30 heroes looks pretty awesome :)

This will be my last time looking in this ridiculous thread. I just want to say a couple more things.

1. If you had a clan full of people who rushed through maxing out offensively....I suppose you could draw good match-ups this way, but I don't look for cheap wins, so I suppose this isn't for me, but if you are a casual player and not looking to move into a top clan one day or move your clan into the top clans then do whatever.

2. Which brings me to my next point....wouldn't it take just as long, if not longer, to go to TH10 with maxed offenses, then try to max your defenses so that you could move yourself into the upper echelon of players and clans? Which in the end should be your goal....or else why even play from the beginning....there is no beating the game....so winning is being in that top 100, trying to make your way to #1 or am I missing something?

Guess I will cuz I'm not reading through this thing again....

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Originally Posted by Jonra

This is true if you worry about defense. Rushers do not. As far as farming goes, I always have a place to dump gold/elixir/de. So I never have to worry about getting raided. My teslas/ canns / and Archer towers are lower level than my clanmates(maxers). Everything else is either the same or 1 level higher. I haven't been 3 starred in war in a very long time. If I can hold my opponent to 2 stars, I am perfectly fine with that. Although TheRealChrism promises me 3 stars(along with all the other ragers on this thread), so I can't wait to see them do it :)

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Obviously unless you are not concerned with clan wars, it doesn't matter which way you progress :P

If you are only concerned about spending the resources you raid, there can't be a better way than dumping them on walls since the defense upgrades are time consuming. I always keep a builder free during my holidays to spend the resource I farm. Especially after ellixir wall upgrade is a very good option which gives a reason to max your base from th7 onwards.

When you get into th9 with all skully walls, it is easy to progress further. In th9 the only way to spend ellixir is on walls after certain point of time.

Hence maxing out defense since th7 is good for new players if they really wanna have fun in clan wars and laugh at defense replays :P

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Originally Posted by Jonra

Actually the premie sorry rusher isnt premie and never was. Once again, Maxer have to resort to bashing, what a surprise. Guess I have to speak to you on your level. I have 6 months in the game, and am getting closer and closer to maxed th9. I have never been sorry about rushing as It has worked out great for me. Monkey see monkey do maxers (like you)cant understand this, because all you know how to do is what the monkey ahead of you has done. Lol how lame...That said...For an old mature player like those in your clan claim to be, you sure do have zero problems coming into this thread and bashing people for how they play a simple game. I'd be ashamed..

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Hey, that's why I'm keeping quiet now. Forumers here think they're elite here by maxing and bashing us rushers. No point arguing with them anymore, I'll be quitting forums soon I think, too toxic

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Originally Posted by R3dB3anTig3r

�� I suppose sometimes it's tough for some to hear that the way they are playing the game is being challenged as being wrong/inefficient/etc. Like I/you say, it doesn't matter as long as you are enjoying the journey. Case in point, 4 of my builders have been idle (only upgrading heroes/walls) last couple months. I understand I've wasted a lot of time trying to max myTH9 as I'd probably be a mid-TH10 had I upgraded. It doesn't bother me one bit, TH10 will still be there if/when I decide to upgrade. To me, it's not a sprint, but a marathon and I'm trying to finish the TH9 Marathon. :cool:

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+1.

As a maxer i enjoy something that you rusher wont, defending in wars. You can always say youre not getting 3 starred in wars but my clan opponent usually consist of player with skill. Its really fun for me to try layout or even made one.

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Originally Posted by Jonra

Actually the premie sorry rusher isnt premie and never was. Once again, Maxer have to resort to bashing, what a surprise. Guess I have to speak to you on your level. I have 6 months in the game, and am getting closer and closer to maxed th9. I have never been sorry about rushing as It has worked out great for me. Monkey see monkey do maxers (like you)cant understand this, because all you know how to do is what the monkey ahead of you has done. Lol how lame...That said...For an old mature player like those in your clan claim to be, you sure do have zero problems coming into this thread and bashing people for how they play a simple game. I'd be ashamed..

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What wrong with maxer come into this thread when somebody said maxer is fool, outdated, newbie and slow way to play? If you ever notice, there too much of thread on how godly rusher is but none come from maxer.

Dude r u kiddin' me?

TH 6 is the funnest town hall to be. I've enjoyed it the most

Can't believe i am getting myself involved in this. But can't just walk away after seeing this ridiculous thread misleading people. If you want to rush your game that's your choice, you shouldn't really go around saying that's the way to play the game.

And if you think maxing out is foolish because you will still get thrashed easily by higher lvl players, you are a fool. That's how the game was designed to work. There is nothing you can do about it. I am a th 8 player and most th9(maxed) easily take what they want from my base. But most th7 players will hit next as soon as they see my base. And i would do the same for maxed th9 base.

If you follow the OP advice, you will most probably end up at th9 with a lvl 1 BK and farm for a few weeks just to get the xbows and AQ. And that won't make any difference when th8, other th9 and th10 players attack you.

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Originally Posted by astalavista

+1.

As a maxer i enjoy something that you rusher wont, defending in wars. You can always say youre not getting 3 starred in wars but my clan opponent usually consist of player with skill. Its really fun for me to try layout or even made one.

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This is funny to me. I see both sides of the coin. Maxer or Rusher it doesn't matter its a style of play not something set in stone. Yeah its true rushers like myself might be an easier three star, but on that same note there are so many other Maxed defenses low level wall Th 9's that are "2 star warriors/Core divers" get a 2 star with GoWiPe and actually think they did good in war. It goes both ways with this argument.

I chose to rush and not start defenses right off the bat for two reasons:

1. Had too much loot no place do dump it. TH 9 provided a place for me to spend extra loot.
2. I wanted my attacking skill to match my TH level. I would hate to be a maxed defense th9 that can only two star other maxed th 9's.

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Originally Posted by SaeedOrphan

Dude r u kiddin' me?

TH 6 is the funnest town hall to be. I've enjoyed it the most

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I thought that was only thing the guy was right about! Although 6 days is ridiculous. You will have to stay for at least 3 weeks.

But you are right th6 was fun... That's when I really started to learn how the game works... :)

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Originally Posted by UcsfTeeth

This is funny to me. I see both sides of the coin. Maxer or Rusher it doesn't matter its a style of play not something set in stone. Yeah its true rushers like myself might be an easier three star, but on that same note there are so many other Maxed defenses low level wall Th 9's that are "2 star warriors/Core divers" get a 2 star with GoWiPe and actually think they did good in war. It goes both ways with this argument.

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Why do you rusher hate on gowipe so much i will never know. It can be reliable attack when youve hero down for upgrade.

There is alot of gowipe variation too, using giant, hogs or loons for 3 star. Ive seen it during war this style can rekt max th9 and 2 star mid th10. I will have max th9 lavaloonion soon and gowixxxx as back up for land attack. Im pretty happy with that.

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Originally Posted by astalavista

Why do you rusher hate on gowipe so much i will never know. It can be reliable attack when youve hero down for upgrade.

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Because 2 stars vs TH9 and below is a fail in war vs a good clan and that's what gowipe is made for. Most rushers are aggressive players so if they are serious about war then they won't settle with 2 star strategy. Also gowipe takes ages to max just to consistently 2 star compared to other 3 star options, very inefficient if your goal is to help your clan win more wars.

You don't have to max everything but your crazy if you don't at least get somewhat close at each TH. All your doing by not maxing is opening yourself up to getting all your loot stolen by a much greater % of the people looking at your base. At the same time your delaying the enevitable - your going to have to upgrade your D at some point. Most of the dead bases I see are bases of rushed premies...coincidence? Nope. Dudes quite after getting frustrated by getting flattened everytime they get a decent amount of loot that their level 3 wiz towers can't protect. Think about it.

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Originally Posted by Snostrebla

You don't have to max everything but your crazy if you don't at least get somewhat close at each TH. All your doing by not maxing is opening yourself up to getting all your loot stolen by a much greater % of the people looking at your base. At the same time your delaying the enevitable - your going to have to upgrade your D at some point. Most of the dead bases I see are bases of rushed premies...coincidence? Nope. Dudes quite after getting frustrated by getting flattened everytime they get a decent amount of loot that their level 3 wiz towers can't protect. Think about it.

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You are right. Maxing out at least your splash defences is a must before you upgrade your th... Maxed out wizard towers one shot Max archers of similar th lvl... I have lvl 6 WT and they one shot lvl 5 archers. But when against a WT of lower lvl i can get around that by using a heal spell...

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

Because 2 stars vs TH9 and below is a fail in war vs a good clan and that's what gowipe is made for. Most rushers are aggressive players so if they are serious about war then they won't settle with 2 star strategy. Also gowipe takes ages to max just to consistently 2 star compared to other 3 star options, very inefficient if your goal is to help your clan win more wars.

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Couldn't have said it better. Also Astalavista. I said GoWiPE, which is what I see most Th9's that don't know how to attack use for easy 2 stars. I didn't say Gohowiwi, or Golowiwi, Lavaloon (viable three star strats). All the things you mentioned that could be added are not GoWiPe any more. Too many Th9's with great defenses lack the attacking knowledge and just do as Morgauth said attack for 2 stars against Th9', which in my eyes is a fail as well

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Originally Posted by UcsfTeeth

Couldn't have said it better. Also Astalavista. I said GoWiPE, which is what I see most Th9's that don't know how to attack use for easy 2 stars. I didn't say Gohowiwi, or Golowiwi, Lavaloon (viable three star strats). All the things you mentioned that could be added are not GoWiPe any more. Too many Th9's with great defenses lack the attacking knowledge and just do as Morgauth said attack for 2 stars against Th9', which in my eyes is a fail as well

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You are partially right. GoWiPe is probably overused by guys looking for some cheap loot along with a few stars to go with it. But lacking attacking knowledge and rushing your base are different. If u have the troops you can always learn how to use it effectively. But there is no going back on a rushed base. Most of the th9 rushers ignore dark troops completely. And pretty much all attacking strats involve dark troops once you hit th9. Most of these rushed bases struggle a lot to just get the AQ.

I am a maxxer thus I am a fool.

I can't three star a max TH9 but am working on adding loons or hogs or witches to gowipe to make that happen. My aQ is only a 15 and bi is a 10 they could be higher I guess

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Originally Posted by UcsfTeeth

Couldn't have said it better. Also Astalavista. I said GoWiPE, which is what I see most Th9's that don't know how to attack use for easy 2 stars. I didn't say Gohowiwi, or Golowiwi, Lavaloon (viable three star strats). All the things you mentioned that could be added are not GoWiPe any more. Too many Th9's with great defenses lack the attacking knowledge and just do as Morgauth said attack for 2 stars against Th9', which in my eyes is a fail as well

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We're in different league imo. In a clan that ive stay since i started this game, 2 star on top opponent is consider as good attack. We also consider almost max th8 as valuable member because theyre going to take care opponent in their league.

We're active war clan and usually went into war 40v40. Not too long ago, our clan was visited by a number of th9 premies(not a great attacker) and all of sudden we're matched up against a clan which have 5 almost max th10. This never happened before, as my clan only have 1 th10.

Obviously we're getting bullied by that clan. All thos premies went back to their clan, and in the next war up until now we've yet to meet that kind
of clan anymore.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Wrong. Firstly there are different degrees of rushing which you neglect.
Secondly you compare a rushed th9 to a maxed th9, when you should be comparing it to a maxed th8. In which case the th9 would win.

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Incorrect on point 1. I did say lets not be a pedant and gave common sense and compromise.
Incorrect on point 2. A war consists on not one TH on each side but a group, with 2 attacks each. The strong just 3 star 2 rushed bases.

I was warring in my feeder clan yesterday with a max TH8 account. One of my sons was there with a maxxed TH8 just gone to TH9. We faced 3 town hall 10's, all rushed. We 3 starred all 3.

Look like all arguments the truth is in the middle ground but everyone just inflames and polarises. Some rushing of the right things at certain TH may be right and maxxing some thing at some town halls is just being a bit OTT. Find you own middle ground or not. I just get tired of poeople saying gowipe is a 2 star strat and lavaloon is a 3 and ♥♥♥♥ like that. You can max with both and you can 0 star with both... one is probably less likely to 3 star or 1 star and it comes down to personalities and base design.

All this lavaloon busines is equally OTT... I just attacked with it about 10 times , watched the videos for advice of what bases not to attack and adapted my base design to fit as best as I am happy with.

What I have not seen and am dreading is the extreme... some good sound defence clans with say 3 defenceless TH10. That will really start to own wars.. perhaps thats the best middle ground for war but not one our clan will follow... suprised MEGA clans do not do that, they are the type to.

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Originally Posted by Jonra

Uhm actually...could care less would mean I care a little...Couldn't care less means there's no possible way for me to care less...meaning zero...

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Grammatically speaking, they both imply a level of caring in the first place. "I do not care at all" is still the correct phrase as the previous two mean generally the same thing. Don't believe me, check with your English professor.

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Originally Posted by arundragonborn

You are partially right. GoWiPe is probably overused by guys looking for some cheap loot along with a few stars to go with it. But lacking attacking knowledge and rushing your base are different. If u have the troops you can always learn how to use it effectively. But there is no going back on a rushed base. Most of the th9 rushers ignore dark troops completely. And pretty much all attacking strats involve dark troops once you hit th9. Most of these rushed bases struggle a lot to just get the AQ.

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Don't mix up rushers with premmies. Rushers know what we are doing and most of us have experiences and use 2nd account to rush.


FYI, it only took me 32 days to rush to TH9 and when my account was 2 months old i can 3 star TH9 and my heroes was above lv5... of course that was without gems.

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Originally Posted by Snostrebla

You don't have to max everything but your crazy if you don't at least get somewhat close at each TH. All your doing by not maxing is opening yourself up to getting all your loot stolen by a much greater % of the people looking at your base. At the same time your delaying the enevitable - your going to have to upgrade your D at some point. Most of the dead bases I see are bases of rushed premies...coincidence? Nope. Dudes quite after getting frustrated by getting flattened everytime they get a decent amount of loot that their level 3 wiz towers can't protect. Think about it.

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If you are farming rushers dead bases, you must be desperate for loot because only maxers dead bases are loaded.

You sure you were not farming premmies dead base??

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Grammatically speaking, they both imply a level of caring in the first place. "I do not care at all" is still the correct phrase as the previous two mean generally the same thing. Don't believe me, check with your English professor.

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I guess that's the problem then. I haven't had a english professor in almost 20 years. But worrying about what I'm saying when you clearly already know what I was saying is just...well...lol.

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Originally Posted by Jonra

I guess that's the problem then. I haven't had a english professor in almost 20 years. But worrying about what I'm saying when you clearly already know what I was saying is just...well...lol.

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That is how I feel about this pointless thread......

Rush or max. It doesn't matter, You can think your way is better. We think our way is better. I have never had a bad experience in war, I am at the top every war, and I am yet to be three starred. I don't have to proove this to anyone though as it doesn't matter. The one thing I have learned is that noone is listening. Play how you want, it obviously makes you happy. No worries, lol :) I love my rushed Th9 base. I don't ever get stomped by Th9 or 10. SO...oh well, that's how I choose to play.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

That is how I feel about this pointless thread......

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We are finally in agreement then.