How would you prefer lava hounds to be nerfed?

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Originally Posted by sj74

Ha ha. You and your one sided, leading polls.

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I second this..




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Lava is just fine right now. no re-balancing nor nerfing needed.I don't find them too strong nor too weak. they're just right at the moment.

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Originally Posted by gorzo93

You should not be able to easily three star and always two star with a strategy.

It was like hogs vs town hall 9s, except that was three stars or 0 stars. And against th10 it took skill, whereas lavaloonion is questionable.

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Then nerf every single golem army comp. Heroes comparable to base you're attacking and GoWi-- , guaranteed 2 unless you just have a serious misdrop. I've 3 starred th10 in war with lavaloonion, but I've misdropped and barely get one in war. And some peple just have well designed bases and have their teslas placed to redirect balloons.

I wish everyone would stop saying look at you tube. You really think you tubers are going to post 1 stars or fails? Not a chance, they post their best fights to get views. For every max th10 they 3 star there are likely dozens of 1 or 2 stars with a fail or two mixed in.

BTW faster hounds isn't a nerf, I release my balloons first 90% of the time to soak up some mines and preserve hounds for back end of the fight. I'll sacrifice 5-6 balloons to keep those hounds kicking. The other 14-ish balloons are more than sufficient.

All this talk about, they don't need to be rebalanced (don't like the word nerfed). Ask yourself, when it comes to TH9 how are the top war clans three starring bases (because most of us watch their videos)? They used GoWiWi, GoHo, HoLo, GoLo, etc because they had to pick the right army comp to systematically destroy a base, where if a couple things went wrong (bad pathing, wb getting destroyed, bad funnel) it would easily cause that raid to go from a three star attack, to a 1-2 star attack. (and if the attack isn't a three star attack, it is a wasted/failed attack)

Now all the top war clans (and I pick the top war clans because they are consistent with their attacking abilities) are ALL switching to Lavalooning, because no matter the base layout, no matter the cc, no matter the Royal Placement, they can spam Lavahounds and balloons and three star bases. Yes they might have to use a golem every once in a while to get their Royals deeper in a base to take out the higher lvl queens, but its rare. Look up Quatro and Penta Lavaloon vidoes and see if they worry about Queen placement and/or lvl, or worry about luring troops etc. If you don't believe me look up the Redditt Troopers vs Clashheads youtube videos (arguably the two top TH9/10 war clans), and see what type attacks were used. And those layouts were well thought out, original (no internet bases) and highly upgraded.

As far as TH10s go, prior to the Lavahounds, you would rarely see a three star in war, unless the base war poorly designed or was rushed. Now there are videos after videos of fully maxed out TH10s with good layouts being three starred. Also if they weren't so OP at TH10 why would all top TH10 war clans all be switching to that attack and dropping the GoWiWiPe they were using before. It is because Lavaloonioin is an attack that almost always guarantees two stars and with a bit of planning and skill, will three star TH10s.

I see this all the time in the wars I am in. And before everyone just pushes me to the side, and says I don't know what I am talking about. I am almost a completely maxed out TH9 (minus a few Heroes lvls) and have been a member of hardcore war clans since almost the start of clan wars.

Again, I am not saying they need to make Lavahound unplayable, but they need to balance it so it will require skill to get three stars.

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Originally Posted by BigJoeF

All this talk about, they don't need to be rebalanced (don't like the word nerfed). Ask yourself, when it comes to TH9 how are the top war clans three starring bases (because most of us watch their videos)? They used GoWiWi, GoHo, HoLo, GoLo, etc because they had to pick the right army comp to systematically destroy a base, where if a couple things went wrong (bad pathing, wb getting destroyed, bad funnel) it would easily cause that raid to go from a three star attack, to a 1-2 star attack. (and if the attack isn't a three star attack, it is a wasted/failed attack)

Now all the top war clans (and I pick the top war clans because they are consistent with their attacking abilities) are ALL switching to Lavalooning, because no matter the base layout, no matter the cc, no matter the Royal Placement, they can spam Lavahounds and balloons and three star bases. Yes they might have to use a golem every once in a while to get their Royals deeper in a base to take out the higher lvl queens, but its rare. Look up Quatro and Penta Lavaloon vidoes and see if they worry about Queen placement and/or lvl, or worry about luring troops etc. If you don't believe me look up the Redditt Troopers vs Clashheads youtube videos (arguably the two top TH9/10 war clans), and see what type attacks were used. And those layouts were well thought out, original (no internet bases) and highly upgraded.

As far as TH10s go, prior to the Lavahounds, you would rarely see a three star in war, unless the base war poorly designed or was rushed. Now there are videos after videos of fully maxed out TH10s with good layouts being three starred. Also if they weren't so OP at TH10 why would all top TH10 war clans all be switching to that attack and dropping the GoWiWiPe they were using before. It is because Lavaloonioin is an attack that almost always guarantees two stars and with a bit of planning and skill, will three star TH10s.

I see this all the time in the wars I am in. And before everyone just pushes me to the side, and says I don't know what I am talking about. I am almost a completely maxed out TH9 (minus a few Heroes lvls) and have been a member of hardcore war clans since almost the start of clan wars.

Again, I am not saying they need to make Lavahound unplayable, but they need to balance it so it will require skill to get three stars.

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One question though, this top clan you are talking about. those on top, DO they all use Lavaloons now? and do they get 3 starred by Lavaloons too?

I asked this because sometimes, these attacks can be too overrated too. if video makers are advertising these/their attacks. thinking out of the box, they too, most probably failed some of those attacks and just took those 3 starred videos.

Another thing is. these top clans, with all due respect to them. not all their base designs are perfect to defend against Lavaloons. plus the fact that it also takes the right skills to perform such attack.

[QUOTE=Again, I am not saying they need to make Lavahound unplayable, but they need to balance it so it will require skill to get three stars.[/QUOTE]
It does....

The way I'd prefer: not at all.

Why are people always crying nerf this, nerf that, X is OP! Do you want a game in which it is impossible to three-star a base? Would take the fun out of it for me for sure.

Dang it, offense is OP! Yes. Because it's the only way of actually playing.

Patrick

There will never be a way to 3 star a max TH10 with no "skill". I should know, because I fail at getting 2 stars still pretty often....

Please don't be surprised when some of the most skilled and dedicated players in the world figure out how to expertly destroy high level bases. They can war against each other, and maybe a 3 star here and there will be the only difference. Not sure how that makes anything OP. If anything, buff ground attacks.

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Originally Posted by HellfireJoey

One question though, this top clan you are talking about. those on top, DO they all use Lavaloons now? and do they get 3 starred by Lavaloons too?

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They are moving that way, because it is more of a sure thing.

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Originally Posted by pmhausen

The way I'd prefer: not at all.

Why are people always crying nerf this, nerf that, X is OP! Do you want a game in which it is impossible to three-star a base? Would take the fun out of it for me for sure.

Dang it, offense is OP! Yes. Because it's the only way of actually playing.

Patrick

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I am not saying impossible to three star, I am saying make it difficult to three star. People will stop playing if the game becomes to easy too. So what is the point of Clanwars if everyone can three star every base? What is the point of trophy pushing if everyone can three star every base? Why have defense if everyone can three star every base?

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Originally Posted by Pete82

There will never be a way to 3 star a max TH10 with no "skill". I should know, because I fail at getting 2 stars still pretty often....

Please don't be surprised when some of the most skilled and dedicated players in the world figure out how to expertly destroy high level bases. They can war against each other, and maybe a 3 star here and there will be the only difference. Not sure how that makes anything OP. If anything, buff ground attacks.

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You are right 3 starring a TH10 is still not a give me, but a 2 star is, and in clan wars that is the desired outcome, with three stars being icing on the cake. And right now TH10s can 2 star each other without luring CC, without killing the queen, just spamming 4 LH, with some balloons and minions, not even using heroes. IMO there should never be an attack where you can spam all your troops down, drop your spells and "win"

humm... no!

i said no!

don't want them to be nerfed.. i'm just upgrading them to lvl2.. plz don't it be like last times they nerfed hogs when i could at least start to have fun with them..

althought.. they don't seem that much overpowered

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Originally Posted by BigJoeF

. . .Now all the top war clans (and I pick the top war clans because they are consistent with their attacking abilities) are . . .

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. . . are the top players in the top clans. Just because the 1% elite can do something doesn't mean it should be ruined for the rest of us. It is up to the rest of us to see if we can make it work as well as they do. Some will get close, most will get it right sometimes and struggle other times. Many will come here and complain.

I did not vote on the poll because the correct answer of "Nerf them by adjusting your base layout/strategy" was not included. All of the other answers were put forth to drum an inaccurate skewed public support of the OP's opinion. Fortunately it is as transparent as a well designed negligee and SC will see through it as easily as we do.