I keep getting 700k gold/lix war bonuses and 2600+ dark. It's getting too easy. What do you think?
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I keep getting 700k gold/lix war bonuses and 2600+ dark. It's getting too easy. What do you think?
Depends on how much you spent in your army and your donations, and how much loot you didn't get from raiding ennemys out of war during that time.
not if your clan always loses their wars
More like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by pololo
Last war,I had 770k/770k/2.760 DE war win bonus.
I attacked with a GoWiPe and a mass dragon.
Price in total is around 600k Elixir and 900 DE.
The net profit is:770k gold/170k elix/1.860 DE.
Results:The Clan Wars are good for farming gold and some DE,but a waste of elix.It's like trading a lot of elix for a lot of gold and some DE.
This is another factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodMonZero
I thought I'd never see the day where someone complains about getting too much loot
How much is you army and spell costing you?
My spells are 230k. My army is 220k. So that is 450k per attack. When I make 1M, I make a profit. When I'm only making 900k, I'm even, not counting what I put in war castle and attack CC
As for DE, I'm always in the red. I'm over 3600 per attack, so 7200 total. I'll never be close to that in war loot.
With elixir walls, it's a good thing we can get some good elixir from war.
War is never profitable.......donations to war CC's and making attacking troops is an enourmous expense..........wars are just fun for once a week, everyone is on and chatting and excited.....:cool:
It seems you do not donate much and use cheap armies in cws.
Starting at mid th7 cws is always a loss of ressources. At th7/8 you loose lots of elixir for Dragons and at th9/10 you loose lots of dark elixir for Golems/witches and a lot of elixir for wizards/pekkas spells.
You also should consider all the donations. For me this is nearly 1 Million elixir only for warbases (15 warbases with Dragons, rest with wizards + valks/witches). Then there are all the donations for the attacks. This is also min 30 loons per war.
Then there is the most important factor: time
If I do a 2 hour boosting session I get at least 3 Million Gold and 1.5 Million elixir. If I do wars I am busy much longer with my attacks, building troops and watching the other replays. In that time I could do 2 boosting sessions.
Not for me. I barely break even if we win wars after filling War CC's, donating max troops to lower players for war attacks, my own attacks....
If anything it's too low. Using 500k elixir for dragons and only getting 400k (if we win).
For me war is mostly for fun and a converter of resources into Gold and Elixir/Dark Elixir. I donate far more than what I get even DE. But still clan war is the best of clash of clans IMO
I lose 600k lix for full dragon armies. And i donate level 5 wizards to everyone in the clan (Were only 10 people.)Quote:
Originally Posted by andrgin
Well, for donations alone, I already spent like, 12 k DE per war. Not counting elixir and my own war army. I don't think bonus should be raised as war is mostly for fun only. But lower it ? ha ha. No.
Clan wars are only a loss if done wrong, work out if the match up is worth going for, when it's a yes I use an expensive army and a lower cost army when it's a no I use low cost armies and take the pity loot it's not hard to determine the out come, and it's not hard to make a profit. When I was in a 24/7 war clan I was farming more than ever, and all ways had plenty of spare loot, at the end of the day it's down to how each player takes a war and how each player plays the game!
this. the forum never ceases to amaze meQuote:
Originally Posted by Leoc98
Is the OP really whining about too much loot? come on....:mad:
Close this thread.
It normally covers how much I spend on my own troops and donation troops. I think its on point.
I'm always at a loss for de in wars. I'm using gowiwipe attacks and either the only person or one of two people with max witches to donate to war ccs. 7-10 witches donated plus my attacks means I'll never profit (not to mention donating golems for clan mates attacks). I do make a little elixir and a lot of gold if we win. It's not about the loot but the teamwork and pulling out a tough win for me.
At my clans level, it usually takes the costliest armies possible to win. My usual DE bonus of 3600 barely covers the cost of Two Quatrolavaloonions. And why would you want less loot if the economy is as dry as it it is now
lol, here I was thinking I had seen everything
Those resources aren't enough to compensate me for the constant butterflies I experience before and during a war attack. Not to mention the stress of watching other clan mates attacks. I've told them not to wait until the last second for that final star... but do they listen? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ideaman
Never thought I would see a thread about too much loot...
No its fine...
No. Losers should get a little more to offset their costs and winners should be coming out ahead. Most break even.
Trying to take away my loot. Not happening:p
Should be higher than it is, even if only slightly.
On that note, some related ideas:
- Assuming there isn't some method to easily get it by ♥♥♥♥♥ing, getting best offense/defense credit in the war status screen at the end of the war ought to count for something other than just bragging rights. Maybe a multiplier on your war loot (win or lose)?
- In line with the above, add additional categories for larger clan wars (greater than 20 members) so people have other ways to get a bonus beyond the normal war loot. Examples: "Most creative attack" (based on troop composition to some degree, deployment timing, as well as stars won), "Cheapest attack" (based on elixir cost ratio vs. stars won), etc.
It'd also be nice if the clan castle loot was simplified so you didn't have to "collect" it, it simply counted amongst your other loot (loot in the CC would also have the same penalties/limits in place as regular storages instead of the convoluted system used now). Having said that, loot won in clan wars would "prefer" to be in the clan castle, so any won would be reflected in that structure first before overflowing to the other storages as needed. Similarly, loot acquired from other sources would prefer to use the other storages until those are full, and then the clan castle storage would be used. (As an aside, this would be a backdoor way of expanding loot storage without adding additional levels to the existing storages or adding a fifth structure of each major storage type).
Amen, who complains about too much loot!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leoc98
War should be profitable for the winners and since the losers only get 30% of the war win bonus, the higher it is the better to help offset their costs too. Half of all clans have to lose and the less it hurts the better. Otherwise you will have one-sided wars where most people on one team don't even try because they know they are going to lose and they don't want to waste the resources for nothing.
And why are you complaining!?!?!
It needs to be raised about 200k, and even then, incorporate a counter to get back anything you donate during war, including offensive cc troops
You clearly haven't been on the ideas and future content section where everyone is complaining about having too much elixir and want the wall upgrades back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leoc98
700k of each every 2 days... yeah.. alot..
I believe that this only happens when one clan goes afk and they lose almost every thing or in a farmer war clan.Once bases are faced just on loot and people attack and are gaur entered at least one star then the war not only is one but loot just inflates. But in most match ups it is a tight race so I beleive that they are not.
I spend around 700k-800k elixir per war, winning won't give me any profit in elixir, I just get my resources back. The gold profit is nice, why would you complain?
What if you are a bad attacker? I voted NO on Prop "Is the War Bonus too high?"
what kind of mad man votes yes to this? the only thing I profit on in war is gold
You're weird
That does not consider any troops you donate to war bases or clan mates either. Leaving you even less elixir or dark elixir profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trux
Obviously this is a troll thread, but war bonus needs to be decent to cover costs. Gold is the ultimate prize as that is the one expense war doesn't have.
Are you serious!? Here's half the forums struggling with loot and you want war bonuses decreased.... :p
Why would you want the loot to be lower?
In case of time it is really a huge loss. In preparation day I should spend 2-3 hours to donate troops to clan mates and scout enemies, then chat about attacks. In the war day I should watch the replays and change some strategies. then i should do my own attacks and 3 rages take 2 hours to cook. thanks to the recent update dragons only take 6 minutes. (Im TH8 and use mass dragon with 3 rages)
But In case of elixir/gold/DE it is only profitable for TH7/TH8 because they dont need any elixir. So mass dragons is indeed profitable.
My elixir is overflowing and I like to waste 500K elixir even for 200K gold! TH7 and TH8 just need gold for walls.
I'm a th9 player , if I attack twice in war, I'll spend three hours on making troops , donate, making spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ideaman
I make millions in three hours.... I think war benefits th8 or below that I agree because they need gold and de and they have tons of extra elixir
Considered the time and troops cost the spell cost and the donation cost ITS just nice or rather might not even be enough for some.
It seems that those people who said too much loot doesnt really help much in donation for war wise OR he/she only look at it 1 way, not even bothering calculating the cost etc lol.
Certainly for some i think mainly earning gold only. elixer and de most or all or even sometimes exceeding what earned into donating and troops/spells.
Let me guess... you are one of the people that comes onto the CW forums and posts how bad the loot is when you lose a war and how the loot for losing should be raised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ideaman
Judging from the poll result, seems there should not be a poll at all in the first place.
No way...if you think that's too much you're under th9
My army costs more than that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ideaman
The war bonus is still slightly too low in my opinion, but I don't particularly have a problem with it. The only real benefit is with gold since you don't spend it making an army. Ideally I would like to see the elixir and dark elixir bonus raised maybe another 10-20% but it's quite fine as it is.
Come back when you become one of the top players in your clan who donate the troops in clan castle war
I think you need to consider two loots:
- the farm loot (captured from each attack);
- the war bonus (winning/loosing bonuses);
The problem is that you depend on winning war bonus to return your attack cost.
To win a war you generally use all power you have, and this costs a lot!
Just as an example, the common TH7 attack s full dg attack which will cost 300K x 2 attacks.
I doubt you get that elixir back.
The farm loot must be HIGHLY improved to return some investment.
The war bonus must be slightly improved (specially elixir, normal and DE) to motivate everyone to attack.
Right now, war bonuses will not even pay for your troops.
Bonus is NOT to high. I personally gave up warring because you barely break even with the bonus, and then you miss out on all the farming you could've done during the time. I'm fine with once a season as a break from farming, but I don't understand how people do constant war and still get upgrades done.
Not too high.
I'm usually hitting TH10's for greater than 1.1m gold bonus.
I'll accept I make a serious gold profit on war, I'm around break even on lix, but I make a huge loss on DE (4 - 8 golems, 10-20 witches, plus various hogs, valks and mins all adds up)
As for war loot We have had 2 draws recently on both occasions our damage % was higher per Attack and by war stats we were strongest, it was a very evenly matched war on both occasions.
so surely if the star count is equal and these stats are gathered by supercell we technically won. But as it stands it's a draw the loot from a draw attacking top th9 bases will not cover1 drag army as a th8 army for war as a max offence th9 you can imagine how much I spent in total that war providing dragons golems witches wizards and loons let alone the cost of 2 armies on top and it was definately disproportionate compared to current loss win ratios barely 42% off the top of my head of the winning loot.
The only time war loot is good is if you are using a cheap army and farming Attacks at the end! Any responsible war clan leader will kick you out if you do that more than once. I believe your a troll looking for attention. So many valid comments have been made above this one.
If if you are serious i suspect your contribution to a war you are in is a 50% barch raid on the strongest base you can get away with and scrounging the strongest troops you can from a clan that wants to support all its members. You will get found out one day and kicked and then this proccess wil repeat constantly and you will be a lonely clasher
Our clan usually wins. What I'm saying is that since i use two full dragon armies and donate level 5 wizards, I usually lose elixir, but i gain a ton of gold and dark elixir.
If this is true my apologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ideaman
As a mostly TH8 clan until just before Christmas our war success rate was approximately a 95% win average warring 2 times a week, as th8s most of our clan reliably 3⭐️ Equal strength enemy bases as almost the whole clan upgraded to TH9 our win ratio at its worse dropped to 30% we are learning we are improving i can bet this happens to most equaly levelled clans when they take that step up to the next lvl and start to meet the clans with 100+ war wins and reliably accross the board 3⭐️ All th9 and 2⭐️ All th10s. When i say this believe me you will not complain about the loot then.
i really hope your clan meets one of the big hitters one day so you understand what I am talking about because war loot is not too much pre update it was awful on a win. If it went back to that with our current success rate i would quit the game that's how strongly I feel about this.
No. Just no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ideaman
It's fine I fact if anything it needs boosting. You don't get much elixir back in return or DE it's just a nice gold boost. I reckon it should be boosted by 20 % to cover expenses.
Everyone hates me now…
I used to spend more elixir and dark elixir on every war than I got back from it.
Since they raised the loot, I'm able to turn a profit now.
No, it isn't too high.
If anything, it should be increased.
I mean, two QuatroLavaLoonian (a very effective TH9 strat, 3 stars those with lesser bases) attacks really drains your de...
And don't tell me a Gowipe / GoWiWi is cheap either.
Per attack, war loot offers a great bonus, I'll admit. If I came across a base that offered 420K of each and I had a good army, I'd definitely take a swing.
I don't donate a lot of troops to war CC because they aren't the highest level in the clan, but I do spend most of the day prepping my army, scouting bases, changing my army, scouting more bases, and attacking. Not a lot of looting going on. So my 800K+ is a nice bonus, but it's by no means too much, and I would make significantly more from regular looting anyway. I don't war for loot, I war for fun, the extra resources are just icing on the cake
Why would you complain about loot???¿?¿¿???¿¿¿
Obviously the guy making the thread has never donated to war clan castles before and has ridden his clan's back.
Seems fine to me