Way too many clan jumpers

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

You don't understand apparently what a rhetorical question is. Theyre questions to intended to make a point in a discussion. When you ask me "what time is it?" and I say "you don't know what time it is?", the question isn't meant to be answered literally. It's meant to say that you should know what time it is. Not sure why basic English conversational devices are necessary to be covered here.

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Well then if they were points or questions does not matter. I answered them. I think you are saying you needed there not to be an answer because otherwise your whole argument falls apart.

Why are you having problems dealing with things others do not have a problem dealing with? (That's not rhetorical, I am asking you to speak to that)

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

K ... what problems do they cause? Let's discuss those instead of having us read your mind.

I mean ... players just joining have zero shot of getting into an established clan because they're all on invite only and reject randoms. Even though they might be great players. So the clans suffer for not getting them, and the player suffers by getting stuck with a bunch of inactives. Not sure what's confusing about that

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As I had already said in a comment you replied to, People are free to leave whenever they want, its not very player-friendly if that is limited in any way. And if you limit the number of clans people can join then what that results in is people not being able to join a clan in a game called clash of clans, dont you think thats a bit ridiculous?
Also if people happen to join a bunch of bad clans they shouldnt be punished for it, they should be able to join and leave any clan thats willing to accept them. There has already been a change where you cannot join and leave the same clan a certain number of times within a certain period of time for some reason and even that causes inconvenoences to people.

Your second point is simply untrue. Established clans do reject people frequently but thats because these people applying never meet the reqs. Most of them (barring a few which prefer to recruit through given venues only, venues which you and I can easily use) would accept a good member. There are a lot of stats available to the clan includong your base, your attacks won etc., and they will reject you if those arent acceptable, so dont sit there making yourself feel better by telling yourself they just reject everyone.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

I am sayong that the poijt you were trying to make was invalid as they had answers. Asking why someone doesnt know the time is to make the point that they do (in your case). But asking how to recruit as if there arent ways to recruit doesnt work if people can answer and tell you exactly how to recruit.

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Except ... his answers were obvious. I could've figured all that out myself. He treated the questions as if I really needed the help, thereby not recognizing the rhetorical nature of them. This is evidenced by his later ranting about me wanting to start my own clan just so I could be leader when I stated multiple times I didn't. The point of the questions was to say "this makes it unnecessarily hard to recruit/start a clan and if there's a fix for it we should advocate it".

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

Except ... his answers were obvious.

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So why are you saying there is no other answer to this problem than your feature you want?

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

I could've figured all that out myself.

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Wow. Who knew? (and see above)

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

He treated the questions as if I really needed the help, thereby not recognizing the rhetorical nature of them.

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Well, it wasn't just the questions. You really do sound like a guy who can't figure out how to deal with the challenges of recruiting.

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

This is evidenced by his later ranting about me wanting to start my own clan just so I could be leader when I stated multiple times I didn't.

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They were observations. I still stand by them too.

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

The point of the questions was to say "this makes it unnecessarily hard to recruit/start a clan and if there's a fix for it we should advocate it".

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I gave you the fix. That is what you are complaining about.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Well then if they were points or questions does not matter. I answered them. I think you are saying you needed there not to be an answer because otherwise your whole argument falls apart.

Why are you having problems dealing with things others do not have a problem dealing with? (That's not rhetorical, I am asking you to speak to that)

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This ISN'T my post ... for the millionth time. By the way, OP feel free to chime in whenever. The OP expressed frustration with a problem that I hadn't really considered before. But his comment made sense and was understandable that people would be frustrated with it. But all I saw were snide "deal with its" from everybody. Is it not an issue? (I hope we've established that as rhetorical at this point ... It is an issue). If it's an issue why can't we discuss possible solutions for it at this point? <not rhetorical

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

So why are you saying there is no other answer to this problem than your feature you want?

Wow. Who knew? (and see above)

Well, it wasn't just the questions. You really do sound like a guy who can't figure out how to deal with the challenges of recruiting.

They were observations. I still stand by them too.

I gave you the fix. That is what you are complaining about.

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This entire post is an ad hominem. Good job.

What you CONTINUOUSLY fail to grasp is that I DONT CARE ABOUT RECRUITING!!! IVE NEVER GIVEN IT A SECOND THOUGHT!!! It's not a part of the game that interests me. I was merely NOTING that the problem makes it unnecessarily hard for people.

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Originally Posted by Blut

Except ... his answers were obvious. I could've figured all that out myself. He treated the questions as if I really needed the help, thereby not recognizing the rhetorical nature of them. This is evidenced by his later ranting about me wanting to start my own clan just so I could be leader when I stated multiple times I didn't. The point of the questions was to say "this makes it unnecessarily hard to recruit/start a clan and if there's a fix for it we should advocate it".

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Except it doesnt make it hard, and by nature your fix is detrimental to the game as a whole. What yoh are basically asking for, what every suggestion of this kind dumbs down to, is to limit peoples ability to leave your clan or make it costly to them for doing so. And that clearly isnt good for the game.
In the end most solutions would just make it worse for start-ups becuase the cost of leaving is so high that they wont risk it and join a bad clan. There is nothing unnecessarily hard about the way it is now. Nobody would recognize the rhetorical nature of them because you weren't very clear about it, and your point was simply untrue.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Except it doesnt make it hard, and by nature your fix is detrimental to the game as a whole. What yoh are basically asking for, what every suggestion of this kind dumbs down to, is to limit peoples ability to leave your clan or make it costly to them for doing so. And that clearly isnt good for the game.
In the end most solutions would just make it worse for start-ups becuase the cost of leaving is so high that they wont risk it and join a bad clan. There is nothing unnecessarily hard about the way it is now. Nobody would recognize the rhetorical nature of them because you weren't very clear about it, and your point was simply untrue.

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THE ONLY REAL "SUGGESTION" I'VE MADE ON THIS ENTIRE FRACKING THREAD IS THAT PEOPLE DISCUSS FIXES AND NOT CASTIGATE THOSE THAT DO. You people are unbelievable. Is this a cult?<rhetorical

Try this ... imagine you have a problem. Now discuss with others what your problem is and try to fix it. Then get shouted down by 80 people telling you that the fix (you didn't really suggest) is unworkable and you should get over it. Am I going crazy?

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

This ISN'T my post ... for the millionth time. By the way, OP feel free to chime in whenever. The OP expressed frustration with a problem that I hadn't really considered before. But his comment made sense and was understandable that people would be frustrated with it. But all I saw were snide "deal with its" from everybody. Is it not an issue? (I hope we've established that as rhetorical at this point ... It is an issue). If it's an issue why can't we discuss possible solutions for it at this point? <not rhetorical

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If this isnt your post, and you arent having any problems, then where on earth do you get the information about any problem in the first place? How can you comment on the problem or the solution if you are familiar with neither? How do you know what established clans do if you dont even try to join them? (Not rhetorical, you keep speaking about an 'issue' you claim to not have faced and I want to know why you think what you say has any validity or accuracy whatsoever)

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

THE ONLY REAL "SUGGESTION" I'VE MADE ON THIS ENTIRE FRACKING THREAD IS THAT PEOPLE DISCUSS FImust AND NOT CASTIGATE THOSE THAT DO. You people are unbelievable. Is this a cult?<rhetorical

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Read please. I said that any fix on this matter by SC would only make things worse. Also before discussing fixes you must clearly determine the problem which also hasnt been done. If people suggest fixes that cause cause problems then people would say so, every 'fix' fits that bill at the moment, and if you were to suggest one that doesnt then you still have to go on to state why its necessary.