Way too many clan jumpers

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February 1st, 2015
rwelshjr

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

NO. The thread is about WHAT TO DO ABOUT SO MANY CLAN JUMPERS. Your inability to discuss the problem without attaching to made up solutions in your head is the issue. Opt in/opt out fixes the war part of it. So it's relevant. You're wrong. Again.

Fair enough. I was originally concerned that I should not be putting my solution here because I thought opt in/out was a separate topic, but then got that view point questioned so I went ahead and did. Perhaps my original instinct to not suggest it was the right one.
February 1st, 2015
Bluto152

Just to recap, we've determined the opt in/opt out feature would fix the OP's issue. But we were only allowed to have this idea suggested after multiple "Clash experts" try to shut down thoughts on the matter by calling people who agreed with the OP "whiners".
February 1st, 2015
Bluto152

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Fair enough. I was originally concerned that I should not be putting my solution here because I thought opt in/out was a separate topic, but then got that view point questioned so I went ahead and did. Perhaps my original instinct to not suggest it was the right one.

A hint of humility? Not possible.
February 1st, 2015
rwelshjr

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

Just to recap, we've determined the opt in/opt out feature would fix the OP's issue. But we were only allowed to have this idea suggested after multiple "Clash experts" try to shut down thoughts on the matter by calling people who agreed with the OP "whiners".

Actually I don't think so. the OP was suggesting penalzing hoppers. And the pushback was others observing that this would penalize many more people than just hoppers.

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Originally Posted by Onebrokenmonkey

This issue has probably already been addressed but SOMETHING needs to be done to eliminate the habit of many who join a clan and then soon after leave. It is ruining the war process particularly as they join and before the war even begins they leave which is not only unfair to the clan but the mender who was wanting in but left out due to having less trophies than the defector. IF it was VERY expensive to join the clan and a penalty was passed to those who practice this repeatedly it would discourage this practice. Come on supercell! ITs a SIMPLE fix and one that is SO SO very much needed. Thanks for anything you do to Discourage this behavior.

As far as opt in/out, this is in fact something I have been loudly pushing here for a long time. I think there are many on this forum that will feel like I was hijacking the conversation switching over to it but after doing my due diligent push back saying so the poster and then yourself both gave me free license. I am in fact overjoyed to push opt in/out.

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

The original statement was not in rage caps. Not sure what other options are available for people having their words completely ignored.

Sorry how does "butt buddy" fit?

I do beg that you stay away from this level in the conversation. I have not minded the other things you have called me and really this one does not get me too bugged either, or not for myself anyhow. But there are kids on this forum so its not called for.
February 1st, 2015
NF2335

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Originally Posted by Onebrokenmonkey

This issue has probably already been addressed but SOMETHING needs to be done to eliminate the habit of many who join a clan and then soon after leave. It is ruining the war process particularly as they join and before the war even begins they leave which is not only unfair to the clan but the mender who was wanting in but left out due to having less trophies than the defector. IF it was VERY expensive to join the clan and a penalty was passed to those who practice this repeatedly it would discourage this practice. Come on supercell! ITs a SIMPLE fix and one that is SO SO very much needed. Thanks for anything you do to Discourage this behavior.

Although hoppers are annoying, people should be able to leave and join when they want. People shouldn't be denied something because of a few trolls.

Well there could be a way to keep track of how many times a player left a war without being a negative statistic.
For example SuperCell could add two new achievements:

1. Joining the war:
1 star - Go to 10 wars - 1 Gem
2 star - Go to 200 wars - 3 Gems
3 star - Go to 2500 wars - 5 Gems

2. Attack for war:
1 star - Attack 20 times for war - 5 Gems
2 star - Attack 400 times for war - 10 Gems
3 star - Attack 5000 times for war - 20 Gems

These two new achievement would allow a clan leader to know the average amount of times a person attack per war, without it being a negative stat.
This could reduce the problem of 'war-leaving' hoppers, but not the other hoppers.

For the other hoppers, it's the leader/co/elder's job to take care.
For the 'request and leave' hoppers, you should make a rule that someone should donate first before requesting.
For the 'promote and kick' hoppers, you should never promote anyone (be very sting with elder and never give co unless you know the person). And if anyone ask for promotions, they are definitely a hopper and you should kick them out immediately.
February 1st, 2015
Bluto152

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Originally Posted by SuperMarc

People can leave and join how they want. If they leave it is because they don't like the clan so they should be allowed to leave. Or because they got their troops and don't need the clan anymoreAnd remember that ,for the war, it goes both ways. Both clans have people that are in war but aren't in the clan.

Not sure why you people only ascribe the noblest of intentions to clan jumpers.
February 1st, 2015
rwelshjr

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Originally Posted by NF2335

Although hoppers are annoying, people should be able to leave and join when they want. People shouldn't be denied something because of a few trolls.

Well there could be a way to keep track of how many times a player left a war without being a negative statistic.
For example SuperCell could add two new achievements:

1. Joining the war:
1 star - Go to 10 wars - 1 Gem
2 star - Go to 200 wars - 3 Gems
3 star - Go to 2500 wars - 5 Gems

2. Attack for war:
1 star - Attack 20 times for war - 5 Gems
2 star - Attack 400 times for war - 10 Gems
3 star - Attack 5000 times for war - 20 Gems

These two new achievement would allow a clan leader to know the average amount of times a person attack per war, without it being a negative stat.
This could reduce the problem of 'war-leaving' hoppers, but not the other hoppers.

For the other hoppers, it's the leader/co/elder's job to take care.
For the 'request and leave' hoppers, you should make a rule that someone should donate first before requesting.
For the 'promote and kick' hoppers, you should never promote anyone (be very sting with elder and never give co unless you know the person). And if anyone ask for promotions, they are definitely a hopper and you should kick them out immediately.

This has been suggested befoe (I don't mean where it just got bumped forward in this thread but in its own)/ I was one of the people that supported it. But I recall that in the end it was that because a person could derive from it a negative statistic it was deemed still in violation of the SC policy.

I myself like the idea but I do remember losing the debate.
February 1st, 2015
Seenworstaff

My solution is to only allow so many clan changes per month or once a week. Clan hopping is a problem and it is spoiling it for others, there seems to be a trend too, especially with smaller clans, for people to join a clan push for war then as soon as war is declared they leave before attacking . It's a deliberate pattern that I've noticed and is so frustrating. Another is only joining a clan to get some donations then doing a runner..........
February 1st, 2015
Bluto152

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Actually I don't think so. the OP was suggesting penalzing hoppers. And the pushback was others observing that this would penalize many more people than just hoppers.
Whatever the OP suggested does not make the root issue go away. The purpose of a forum ... I thought ... is to flesh out ideas. Was his original solution bad? If you say so. Why not come up with a better one? And ... *gasp* somebody did.

As far as opt in/out, this is in fact something I have been loudly pushing here for a long time. I think there are many on this forum that will feel like I was hijacking the conversation switching over to it but after doing my due diligent push back saying so the poster and then yourself both gave me free license. I am in fact overjoyed to push opt in/out. Thankfully no one called you a whiner for pushing it. Because ... it's a good idea. I posted on one of the threads pushing it for this very reason. Not sure why only your ideas for improvement are valid and others aren't.

I do beg that you stay away from this level in the conversation. I have not minded the other things you have called me and really this one does not get me too bugged either, or not for myself anyhow. But there are kids on this forum so its not called for. Seriously?

Y'all get to call everyone noobs and whiners but I call you arrogant and the kids need to be saved? Hypocrisy
February 1st, 2015
BattleBorn007

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Originally Posted by Seenworstaff

My solution is to only allow so many clan changes per month or once a week. Clan hopping is a problem and it is spoiling it for others, there seems to be a trend too, especially with smaller clans, for people to join a clan push for war then as soon as war is declared they leave before attacking . It's a deliberate pattern that I've noticed and is so frustrating. Another is only joining a clan to get some donations then doing a runner..........

This is not SC's problem its the clans responsibility to choose who they let into their clan, and no one should be punished or restricted based on clans they joined, No one should be forced to stay in a clan, punished for leaving, or restricted to the amount of clans he/she wished to be in.

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