Lack Of Resources To Loot ......... Scrap Troop Protection In Army Camps???

There is so much chat about the lack of resources to loot when we attack.

A major factor in the lack of elixir when attacking has to be the Halloween Troop Protection update.

You can build an army for X amount of elixir and then queue up to a maximum of 75 troops per barracks x4 behind them.

The most expensive troops per space for me is wall breakers at 3000 elixir.
I build an army for 80k elixir to fill the camps.
I queue 225 wall breakers at 3000 elixir each and keep 675,000 elixir safely stashed away from looting attackers.
When i log back on I cancel the troop queues in each barracks to reclaim the elixir.

If there was no troop protection, i wouldn't want an army of wall breakers to be made if the troops in the camps were destroyed.

I know this is widely done to protect elixir but must be having a negative impact on the available loot when we attack.

Troop protection is convenient, but is it at the expense of gameplay?

EDIT
This isn't a complaint thread about the lack of resources as I've changed tack and don't have a major problem any more. The thread is an observation based on various clan chats on the subject.

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Originally Posted by CoupeSe

There is so much chat about the lack of resources to loot when we attack.

A major factor in the lack of elixir when attacking has to be the Halloween Troop Protection update.

You can build an army for X amount of elixir and then queue up to a maximum of 75 troops per barracks x4 behind them.

The most expensive troops per space for me is wall breakers at 3000 elixir.
I build an army for 80k elixir to fill the camps.
I queue 225 wall breakers at 3000 elixir each and keep 675,000 elixir safely stashed away from looting attackers.
When i log back on I cancel the troop queues in each barracks to reclaim the elixir.

If there was no troop protection, i wouldn't want an army of wall breakers to be made if the troops in the camps were destroyed.

I know this is widely done to protect elixir but must be having a negative impact on the available loot when we attack.

Troop protection is convenient, but is it at the expense of gameplay?

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Not trying to brag, but maybe you are doing it wrong then? I have so much elixer that I just log with it all in my collectors. I frequently have over 3 million units in my coffers. It is not just me, everyone I attack also has the max amounts available. Aim higher to get more loot.

I'm sure it'll settle down.

if everyone is doing that, then pretty soon, they can't hide anymore, and so the excess will be available again.

Also consider that if troop protection was off, sure, people couldn't 'hide' elixir in the barracks, but then they would end up spending it on rebuilding the troops that got destroyed when they were raided so would still end up with no elixir for you to raid anyway.

Granted, level 13 Collectors (say 10k per hour?) would be a nice help too though.

Griffey...... i'm not sure what point you are trying to make?

Under old system i would log off leaving 675k MORE elixir available to loot.
Under Troop protection though this is hidden and i leave little or no elixir for attackers to loot there percentage from.

The hundreds of thousands of normal players who less than 500k elixir spare can hide it from attacks to a great extent ....... leaving little to loot for the normal mid range players.

Removing troop protection seems a simple cheap fix to release a little more available elixir into the game and i'm surprised it hasn't been done.

Troop protection is probably the best thing that happened to those people who don't have much game time. The main issue is the lack of resources itself. But there are ways. Maxing pumps and dropping trophies. The major issue arises when people didn't want these very limited options.

Im not sure that this is the "whole" problem, other threads today have come out questioning where the inactive Players Bases are... however im sure this does not help matters.

Im Farming currently and Elix is not really an issue for me either. Im always maxed out.. And i dont try and keep it hidden... I often lose 180k per attack... and i dont mind.

However if i was trying for trophies i would be doing exactly as described and storing as much as possible in my Barracks.. difference is that I can build Build Peeka so would be "hiding" approx 127k on 3 Lvl2 Peeka.

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Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear

Im not sure that this is the "whole" problem, other threads today have come out questioning where the inactive Players Bases are... however im sure this does not help matters.

Im Farming currently and Elix is not really an issue for me either. Im always maxed out.. And i dont try and keep it hidden... I often lose 180k per attack... and i dont mind.

However if i was trying for trophies i would be doing exactly as described and storing as much as possible in my Barracks.. difference is that I can build Build Peeka so would be "hiding" approx 127k on 3 Lvl2 Peeka.

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There is a theory that these inactive players are left in the previous update and not carried on until logged in.

However, TH9 issue is the lack of elixir. We need to make a 90k troops to fight heavily giarded bases which doesn't have 100% win guarantee. It is practically better to wait for pumps especially for those who don't have 12-16 hours game time.

^{there is loads of elixir to loot, every village I go to has full purple balls. Gold is the problem, people are upgrading their walls and leaving none to be looted.}

The point I am making is that your perception of lack of elixer is incorrect. There is tons of it. Last night I looted 1.8 million worth in 3 hours. I have no need to hide it as people do not normally attack for elixer. My base is in the 1500+ range so I would not consider it farming area. I have been over 2k, and been down to zero in this patch. The loot is there, just have to look for it. As a matter of fact, I just pulled in 261k gold and 224k elixer on my last hit. Sorry for the size, but I don't Know how to make it bigger.

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From an attack standpoint, anytime you leave, you can attack instantly when you get back. Rather than waiting 20-30 minutes for a army to build.

One side affect of this.. More people are attacking more often. That would tend to make less available loot, as most players go for the high resource base when they see it, and usually get at least 40% to give it the shield

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Originally Posted by CoupeSe

There is so much chat about the lack of resources to loot when we attack.

A major factor in the lack of elixir when attacking has to be the Halloween Troop Protection update.

You can build an army for X amount of elixir and then queue up to a maximum of 75 troops per barracks x4 behind them.

The most expensive troops per space for me is wall breakers at 3000 elixir.
I build an army for 80k elixir to fill the camps.
I queue 225 wall breakers at 3000 elixir each and keep 675,000 elixir safely stashed away from looting attackers.
When i log back on I cancel the troop queues in each barracks to reclaim the elixir.

If there was no troop protection, i wouldn't want an army of wall breakers to be made if the troops in the camps were destroyed.

I know this is widely done to protect elixir but must be having a negative impact on the available loot when we attack.

Troop protection is convenient, but is it at the expense of gameplay?

EDIT
This isn't a complaint thread about the lack of resources as I've changed tack and don't have a major problem any more. The thread is an observation based on various clan chats on the subject.

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so basically you are saying what you are doing is wrong. Is messing up the economy. But you still continue to do it? Very hypocritical and wrong if you ask me

I'm saying this feature of the game doesn't help matters, and oh yes I'm using this feature to the absolute max! I hide as much ad I can and leave the rest open to attack. Pretty foolish not too!!!

Griffey....since dropping my Trophy quest, I also don't see a major lack of resources. If you check my posts, you'll see I haven't been banging a drum about the issue.

Never bring back troop destruction! Best thing they have done

Clearly the issue is not that troops survive in the Army Camps, but that we are allowed to queue 225 WBs in our Training Barracks. This is surely an easy fix.

BB

where are you getting 225 from?
I thought lvl 10 barracks hold 65...65 x4 =260

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Originally Posted by Icekool17

where are you getting 225 from?
I thought lvl 10 barracks hold 65...65 x4 =260

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lvl 10 barracks holds 75

bonus.

I've only got a lvl 8 to go off, and as lvl 7 holds 50, and 8 holds 55, i figured 9 would hold 60 and 10 - 65.

might get saving some elixir!..so I can save even more!

There's plenty of elixir around on trophy levels from 1400-1700, gold is worse but still possible. Much better than right after the upgrade when a bunch of players starting playing again!

Good times for a "farmer" in the 14-1600 range. Plenty of TH 7 players saving up for TH 8 :)

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Originally Posted by Icekool17

bonus.

I've only got a lvl 8 to go off, and as lvl 7 holds 50, and 8 holds 55, i figured 9 would hold 60 and 10 - 65.

might get saving some elixir!..so I can save even more!

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Correct - lvl 9 holds 60, it jumps to 75 when you upgrade to lvl 10.

Let's you build 3 PEKKAs @ 25 spaces per PEKKA. She needs to go on a diet :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CoupeSe

I'm saying this feature of the game doesn't help matters, and oh yes I'm using this feature to the absolute max! I hide as much ad I can and leave the rest open to attack. Pretty foolish not too!!!

Griffey....since dropping my Trophy quest, I also don't see a major lack of resources. If you check my posts, you'll see I haven't been banging a drum about the issue.

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If you have more than 1 M elixir, don't bother hiding it
Because 180K would be the max available loot from your storages

I don't think we're going to rollback the troop protection any more. The window of rolling that change back has passed already.

Also, if it would be caused by this, then we would have seen the effect before the new matchmaking went live.

We already know the cause of no res about now, how about a fix for that?

Surely the fix for this is to make it so people can't train troops past there max troop limit? Why this army camp protection business? The code is pretty much already in there already anyways, for example you can't spend gems to create troops if they are more than your max.

Adapt the code, dont allow players to train more than their max, problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Sneakydave

We already know the cause of no res about now, how about a fix for that?

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Yes, we need the fix for the root cause.

The stats collected by SC should help narrow in on that to confirm the discussion in another thread.

It's certainly not the troop protection change.

I already found the root cause, just need a solution now

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Originally Posted by Sneakydave

I already found the root cause, just need a solution now

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The 'Matchmaking Bug' ?

Will see how long it takes to get a solution implemented

Im annoyed that my elixer storages are constantly full (6M). I even consider buying some gems to finish research early so I can spend some more elixer. (hate wasting rescourses). Over night I started to build some pekka and drags so i can donate them to my GF and other clanmembers.

From my observations, the people who complain about not having enough elixer use too expensive and/or too strong armys. Wich makes it nearly impossible to keep their elixer high enough. Often they are above their natural cuprange and have to attack verry strong opponents (compared to their unit strength/capacity), wich they only can handle/win with expensive troops.

OR they are just high end players who go for top. they will always have to use the strongest army they can + spells. Even with a max elixer loot, this will not cover expenses.

On long term, its nearly impossible to always win atleast 80-100k elix. If you see a 180k gold base with no elix, you just might hit it, but are 80-100k elix lower. Attacks may fail. You will get attacked too, and if you are above your natural cuprange u lose alot rescourses on defending. You will not always be able to get full loot from opponent (if rescource vaults are spread over base and u cant get to all of them). etc etc.

The more u play above natural cuprange, the harder it will be to keep elixer up.

Tips for low/medium lvl players:

- play in a range where u can win (2-3 star, get most rescourses) with a low budget army (max 25-40k).
- You will be able to get elixer surplus. Use the elixer to upgrade your basic units (barbs, archers, gobs).
- With stronger basic units, u can win stronger opponents with a relative cheap army. (progress + get elix surplus).

Tips for medium/high lvl players: (going for cups):
- play in a range where u can win (2-3 star, get most rescourses) with a low budget army (max 40k).
- You will be able to get elixer surplus easily. Stack up elixer till u got 6M elix.
- around 1500 cups u need a more stronger army to keep winning 2-3 star. (max 80k armys).
- Loot in elix will be in line with the ammounts u gather (MAYBE EVEN GET A BIT MORE).
- When reaching around 2000, most opponents have TH9 and are well defended. You might need armys around 150k elix + maybe 1-2 spells. (or a 100k army with 4 spells). Most of the times u cant loot as much as u lost winning.
- Try to get as high as possible with the 6m elixer u got stacked up. (maybe 2400-2500?).
- When u run out of elixer. repeat.

Yes although I'm not sure it's a bug, more like an oversight due to the better matchmaking that coincidently makes farming less profitable, causing more gems to be bought.

SC sucks, this update is an epic fail. Now no one wanna stay online and play this ♥♥♥♥♥ game.

Troop protection is the best feature ever Supercell has provided to its community... Its not brilliant to ask them to take it away...

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Originally Posted by 007ich

Im annoyed that my elixer storages are constantly full (6M). I even consider buying some gems to finish research early so I can spend some more elixer. (hate wasting rescourses). Over night I started to build some pekka and drags so i can donate them to my GF and other clanmembers.

From my observations, the people who complain about not having enough elixer use too expensive and/or too strong armys. Wich makes it nearly impossible to keep their elixer high enough. Often they are above their natural cuprange and have to attack verry strong opponents (compared to their unit strength/capacity), wich they only can handle/win with expensive troops.

OR they are just high end players who go for top. they will always have to use the strongest army they can + spells. Even with a max elixer loot, this will not cover expenses.

On long term, its nearly impossible to always win atleast 80-100k elix. If you see a 180k gold base with no elix, you just might hit it, but are 80-100k elix lower. Attacks may fail. You will get attacked too, and if you are above your natural cuprange u lose alot rescourses on defending. You will not always be able to get full loot from opponent (if rescource vaults are spread over base and u cant get to all of them). etc etc.

The more u play above natural cuprange, the harder it will be to keep elixer up.

Tips for low/medium lvl players:

- play in a range where u can win (2-3 star, get most rescourses) with a low budget army (max 25-40k).
- You will be able to get elixer surplus. Use the elixer to upgrade your basic units (barbs, archers, gobs).
- With stronger basic units, u can win stronger opponents with a relative cheap army. (progress + get elix surplus).

Tips for medium/high lvl players: (going for cups):
- play in a range where u can win (2-3 star, get most rescourses) with a low budget army (max 40k).
- You will be able to get elixer surplus easily. Stack up elixer till u got 6M elix.
- around 1500 cups u need a more stronger army to keep winning 2-3 star. (max 80k armys).
- Loot in elix will be in line with the ammounts u gather (MAYBE EVEN GET A BIT MORE).
- When reaching around 2000, most opponents have TH9 and are well defended. You might need armys around 150k elix + maybe 1-2 spells. (or a 100k army with 4 spells). Most of the times u cant loot as much as u lost winning.
- Try to get as high as possible with the 6m elixer u got stacked up. (maybe 2400-2500?).
- When u run out of elixer. repeat.

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Level 55,TH8 and 1900 trophy.
I attack only TH8 e TH9 (forced to do this...)with giant, archers and fury potion.no dragon,no pekkas..and 80% win.
Found a lot of TH9 has got only the x-bow...the other defence is very poor.
I've to notice that in these two days i find a lot more of resource spending "only" 10k to find...not enough to max up my village,but it's a problem of how may hour i play. not so much now.
So,maybe the problem is solved in a week?

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Originally Posted by Rokanarchy

Correct - lvl 9 holds 60, it jumps to 75 when you upgrade to lvl 10.

Let's you build 3 PEKKAs @ 25 spaces per PEKKA. She needs to go on a diet :rolleyes:

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BTW, CAMPS hold 75 at level 10, once your camps are full, you can queue 225 wallbreakers to protect over 650,000 elixer. However, if you have more than 1.3 million elixer it is a mute point as you still have the ability to lose 180k elix in a full raid. I used to hide it, but now I have so much I really don't care.

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Originally Posted by griffey

BTW, CAMPS hold 75 at level 10, once your camps are full, you can queue 225 wallbreakers to protect over 650,000 elixer. However, if you have more than 1.3 million elixer it is a mute point as you still have the ability to lose 180k elix in a full raid. I used to hide it, but now I have so much I really don't care.

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Haha .... Is that so, given that you need a TH9 to upgrade your camps to lvl 7 to hold 55 troops per camp.

Level 10 camps don't exist at this point in the game.

The current maximum number of troops with all camps maxed is 220.

Have a good day.

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Originally Posted by Rokanarchy

Haha .... Is that so, given that you need a TH9 to upgrade your camps to lvl 7 to hold 55 troops per camp.

Level 10 camps don't exist at this point in the game.

The current maximum number of troops with all camps maxed is 220.

Have a good day.

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Putting units in cue is done at barracks, not at camps.
The max ammount of units put in cue can be 300.

4 barracks. lvl 10 barracks = 75 unit. 4x75 = 300.
lvl 5 WB are 3k ea. in the most optimal case (top end players), can hide 900k elix in barracks.

I personally can hide only 660k, but dont even bother to do so.
I always have 3m+ elix and hiding 660k has no benefit for me (still always can loot 180k off me).

Have a good day!!

Just so you know I have found a great cup range for looting within 2-4min of looking im hitting someone with 100k+ gold and or elix :)

It is out there you just gotta find the right cup level for yourself.

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Originally Posted by 007ich

Putting units in cue is done at barracks, not at camps.
The max ammount of units put in cue can be 300.

4 barracks. lvl 10 barracks = 75 unit. 4x75 = 300.
lvl 5 WB are 3k ea. in the most optimal case (top end players), can hide 900k elix in barracks.

I personally can hide only 660k, but dont even bother to do so.
I always have 3m+ elix and hiding 660k has no benefit for me (still always can loot 180k off me).

Have a good day!!

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Fully aware of that, but the OP was referring to camps being level 10 and holding 75 troops per camp, as well as his reference to wb's in the barracks.

If you care to read the response it was with respect to the camp reference.

Nah, keep your 180k, don't need elixir :) Doesn't help build skull walls or upgrade defences.

Bye Now!!

PS: Good to see you can multiply, now try for reading comprehension

Fee free to atack for resources anytime. Only Junior member so should be easy for you and the OP