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Well guys here is my latest fail, I can tear TH9s up, but I cant even 1 star TH10s for some reason... What am I doing wrong...
I know the wall breakers first were stupid, i was trying to scroll the screen and accidentally dropped them, but i didnt think the rest of the attack was bad?
http://youtu.be/-6zPWODelbU
Here is yet another horrible fail... Troops were released a little slow, but I dont think i would have stood a chance even if they werent?
http://youtu.be/170aQy3BFAc
2 more failed attacks...
http://youtu.be/9n2fUnc9nCc
http://youtu.be/yod5X3WgK3A
After watching all 4 replays I can say that first u deploy rage spell very late. Try deploying rage spell as soon as ur troops r in the wall. Next is ur freeze spell deployment. U tried freezing as many buildings as u can and the greed? Have cost u in 2 raids where u failed to freeze the inferno.
Next u should know the troops movement where ur troops will go left right or center. try clearing as many buildings in the whole row as possible Or ur wizard and witchs ends up going left right. And defence targeting troops movement if they will go around at the first layer of wall bcoz the second had storages.
This happens with everyone. U will get better in no time. Gud luck.
Raid #1 on your gowiwi you froze the single inferno while the multi fried the wiwi. Try to use freezes on multi to protect the witches/wiz. Then when it goes down the skeletons can cover the single set inferno. Also try to spread the golems out a few tiles on deployment to take more defense fire.
With your wiz try to create a bracket for the other troops to funnel into. If I look at a clock on a base and 12 is north. I do a golem at 10&12&2, and I bracket by lining the wiz behind the golems at 10&2 in a line. That way when I deploy witches/pekka/heroes they have no choice but to go straight forward.
Gowipe with 2-2-3 in CC works well for me with 2 multis
Gowiwi for single set infernoes add a pekka if you want for extra dps
gowiwipe 2-4 witches 2 pekkas against 1 of each. 2 rage 2 freeze 1 jump normally.
Also, I lure whenever I possibly can and I kill with a 2-2-3 and my AQ. Killing in the corner/side I want to start main attack.
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Originally Posted by BigPapiSolis
Im not quite following you when you talk about a 2-2-3?
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Originally Posted by bkweibley
2 witch 2 wiz 3 barb/archers
btw.. your mistake is attacking both infernos head on...
and your freeze is way too late on some of your attacks
First of all, you seem to freeze only after the multi-infernos have cooked pretty much everything. Second, heals dont work with infernos, so make sure you either get rid of them or freeze the infernos beforehand. Third, try to rage as soon as your troops come in range of inferno towers (i find this as a good general rule anyways).
Another thing you should do is pull the Clan Castle. I will give up 5 hogs for a complete pull and the killing of a defense any day. And plan. Loads. Plan until the defender's base is raidable blindfolded. And keep going!!
Hope to see a video In a few months time of you tripling your targets. Good luck :)
When you're attacking 1 of each with a GoWiWiPe, which side to you go after first? The single?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPapiSolis
I prefer to take on the multi first so it dies quicker - with a high level freeze spell, this seems to work ok. However, if they are spread out so much that they cant protect the other one from ranged troops like wizards, it would probably be better to attack from the single side so your troops stay alive longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNasty
However, I know some like to attack from the single side anyways because the multi-infernos wont have time to deal as much damage - it's all down to personal preference. Keep practising and you'll find the side you prefer best!!
One HUGE mystake you are making are your golems. You need to spread your golems out WAY further. You should place your golems so they take up an entire side of the base and THEN deploy wbs. Wiz go behind. Once buildings are cleared and you have created a funnel, deploy heroes and other troops. Use freeze apropriatly on infernos etc.
Look at the channels playclashofclans, tobi kaiser, or maddendvinik for good tips aswell.
Like previous poster said it depends on location of the 2 infernos. I recently attack a base where they were out of range of each other. I chose to attack the single inferno first as I could save freezes for in case they locked onto my High Hp unit or for the multi when it came into play.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNasty
Either way you do it the Freeze spell timing is the key, not too early and not too late.
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Originally Posted by rdtx2012
Ok so I should be going in from a side where I hit 1 inferno at a time, instead of going where I can hit them both at once?
So I need to play Freeze at the perfect time to stop infernos from engaging intially?
What kind of spell makeup do you take? 2 rage 1 jump 2 freeze?
Well guys here is from this war. I feel like I still layed my spells a little late... I was consintrating on trying to lay all of my troops how I wanted them and my guys started getting banged up by the inferno before I got freeze or rage down. I was 1% away from grabbing 2 stars on him though, so it was definitely an improvement.
http://youtu.be/eZwkdSrS3_E
Second attack I hoped to 3 star this guy, I didnt do a very good job forcing troops in though, the wizzys destroyed all of the close stuff before i got my barb king and pekkas down so they wanted to walk around the outside. The Pekkas adventually went inside but my Barb King took the long way around and never made it back...
http://youtu.be/gfBGSW37Mxg
Much better job on your freeze spells. Try to drop some archers & wiz and add a couple witches and wbs especially when facing the dual single infernos witches are great. extra wbs can be good if you see a pekka/hero running astray can sometimes get him back inside with well placed wbs.
I saw you were running the full wiz cc and using archers to kill the cc. I still recommend running the 2 witches 2 wiz 3 barbs/archers in cc and using those with a couple archers or wiz sprinkled in to kill CC.
I like the ability to place more of my wiz where I choose than bunched out of a CC.
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Originally Posted by BigPapiSolis
So bait them to the corner still with barbs, and then just lay my CC in the corner to fight them?
What happens if he is carrying a Dragon like this guy last war was, or if he is carrying balloons like I saw a few wars ago? Wouldnt they just kill my CC with little resistance?
Nope. Drop your AQ behind the witches and the skeletons distract while AQ shoots em down. If you take extra witches try to space out dropping em so skeletons spawn in segments not all at once when facing a drag.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
Try to lure em to side you want to start attack so you don't sacrifice the witches. I even deploy a golem midway through the CC kill as a distraction to keep my witches and AQ safe.
Once you get the deployment down you will see how easy it is. Run it a couple of times in matchmaking just to work out any kinks.
First thing I notice is a heal spell with GoWiWi or GoWiPe. Rage is much better for PEKKA and Witches. Even with Wizards/Golem matched against Th10, rage is better.
You also need to keep your line moving forward. In that first raid your Golems actually back tracked and left your wizards to die.
Also work on your luring. Look up cooking with Valkyrie. Even though its about Valkyrie it applies to using Wizards/Witches as well. Lure the troops. Bunch them up, distract, then drop a Valkyrie in the middle - or drop a few wizards or deploy witches with some barbs to distract. Much more efficient.
At Th10 you want to take out infernos quickly. Leaving them standing is a poor idea.
Always look at your fails to see where you went wrong, so you don't repeat the same mistakes
i dont know if someone said this already but you cant heal through infernos. inferno towers block all healing effects
If the other clan is using wizards or archers in the cc use a single loon to kill them so you can bring more wizards instead of archers.
If you want your attacks to sucessful, attck in multiplayer to practice. Also practice on the timing of when you drop your troops and spells and where you drop them.
So my Golems backtracked because I wasnt using enough WBs? Should I get rid of the jump spell to bring a 3rd rage and 2 freeze and bring like 12 WBs instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer
This will be my first target in the next war about 12 hrs from now. Im curious to hear what army make up you guys would go into this one with.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...psktdjmry4.png
Im assuming 2 freeze is a given with all the xbows and infernos so close in the center. Maybe I should take a jump spell in also? It looks like a well placed jump on the skull walls to the left of the left side infernos could take my troops from the left 2 outside comparments straight to the core? Or should I skip the jump spell and take like 12 wall breakers and an extra rage?
In that raid you had no jump. But a jump tip, deploy it before your golems select a target that may not be where you want them to goQuote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
3 GOLEMS
2 PEKKAS
11 WIZ
13 WBS
30 SPACES - LURING TROOPS AND ARCHERS TO FILL
2 RAGE 1 JUMP 2 FREEZE
CC - 2-2-3
I'd pull CC, kill em at 12 oclock. Then deploy golems at archer towers at 10&12&2. Use wbs to punch holes for all 3 golems starting with 12 oclock hole.
Drop a rage round bk should get additional wbs to punch through mortar wall. Jump spell is key if wbs dont make hole to core then drop that jump in early to get them in core. If wbs do make hole then you can jump troops out. Then 1 rage should cover majority of the core.
Heroes will pull your troops straight down just make sure to bracket the troops with your wiz by deploying them behind golems at 10&2 taking out fluff buildings. I normally deploy pekkas in front of my bk in case of pesky xbows especially if hes low level.
Assuming there are tesla(s) in the empty box with builders hut your freeze spells should be able to cover xbow, inferno, and tesla on each side, since cc troops have been taken care of watch your high hp units levels and drop freeze accordingly, not too early but not too late.
Hold 1-2 archers in case you struggle with getting the 50% should be a couple fluff buildings to pick off but I think you can rock it. Thoughts?
*This base also looks prime setup for a quad lava attack, way I see balloons pathing through. I just maxed lava hounds so still working on that but results are promising.
I have Max Balloons Max Lavas and lvl 5 minions. I dont think my Heros are strong enough yet though to help seal the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPapiSolis
I am going to try exactly what you said :-) The 30 spots for luring troops and archers, can I get away with 4 lvl 5 hogs, or do you think I need to take 5, that leaves me with 2 barbs to pull them to 12 o clock and 3 archers then?
I'd do 5 to be safe and should take a defense on top of that as well. 5 barbs/archers is enough to get the cc troops up top esp if that top building is out of range of defense. If not just stagger the barbs one by one then deploy CC with AQ behind to counter cc troopsQuote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
You can attack both Infernos head on if you know what you're doing... In fact I even slipped and didn't Freeze the Inferno on the left. Quad GoWiWi can effectively render Multi Infernos completely useless for long enough to clean the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdtx2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNPblGGPv8
Well it didnt go as I had hoped....
My Clan Castle was killed off by his Clan Castle and I never destroyed any of the Infernos. I thought I did a better job of laying spells earlier but it didnt seem to help.
http://youtu.be/F3Yg75p-d1M
When you deploy CC you need to give your troops some space from other buildings. I would have deployed in very top corner. The wiz took their spacing from the building to target which made the witches bunch up with wiz and get taken out with splash.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
With wbs got to time the release with mortar shots.
With the wiz you need to line them by draggin a finger and not spamming em in one spot.
Hero abilities. Used them too early. My rule of thumb is use AQ with 1/4 health and bk with 1/2 health.
barely missed 2 tho even with what went wrong. Keep working on it and ironing out the kinks and pretty soon 2 stars will come naturally and as heroes grow see more 3 stars.
Damn! Looks like I came too late. Look at my post just before yours! I 3*d a base very similar in layout to yours...Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
PS: You need to give the Witches time to spawn Skeletons...
Kruzkal you have way higher heroes and more experience than Bkw, don't make me look bad! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kruzkal
I totally clutched that Freeze Spell.... I missed an Inferno Tower!!! Luckily my set up was safe and my Queen got me through. Live and learn. Keep us posted of your next attack!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPapiSolis
So actually make those wizards walk a little bit to get to my CC troops then? I was trying to get them to look at the barbs and sneak my CC in beside them to start hitting them before they turned around. When your saying wizzys in a line, I thought you ment have them walk in, in a straight line. You ment blanket them over each side? Ill keep in mind about when to use the hero abilities. With the Wall Breakers I felt like everything was happening so fast I just dropped them quick to make sure they got there before the Golems got stuck at the walls taking hits. Most of the wall breakers didnt go anywhere near where i actually wanted them to.
Yeah I saw this video to late :-( So you dont use Pekkas at all? 1 lvl 7 Giant is enough to draw the whole CC out? SO many times I was only able to draw part of the CC out and at that point I pretty much just waisted precious clock... I guess the key is still keeping the Golems constantly moving forward so that your wizzys and witches dont get hung out to dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kruzkal
He was the only TH10 in this war, so I get to hit a TH9 next. Ill either attack him later tonight or early in the morning. Im hoping I can 3 star who ever I hit, 2 star shouldnt be any issue at all thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Kruzkal
Yeah the wiz will prolly get taken out which isnt a big deal but if you give your witches time and space to spawn skeletons, those will race in front of wiz as distractions.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
Yes line/blanket the buildings along each side so they take out buildings together so only way for bk/pekkas to go is forward.
I recommend you push up to masters 1 &2 and hit some tough Th10's cuz it's the best practice for clan wars.
There is no one solution for all. I use GoWiWiPe more often than GoWiWi actually. However in this instance the Teslas are in a layer surrounding core and I cannot freeze them along with Inferno Towers. Therefore they will be hanging in core getting zapped to death too quickly for that specific base.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
How mnay Giants depends on the number of CC troops and how many defenses are in range. I have used anything from 1 to 3. Look at that CC during prep for the increments of CC troops. you can have a good educated guess at what are inside and lure accordingly.
This was my first GoWiWiPe 3* with much lower Heroes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNDu8rE7fW4&list=PLxLO6ByRAa3aBQxIPs29 ukHP 3iCW7p3Y7&index=10
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Originally Posted by Kruzkal
You played that out very smoothly :-) I have 3 starred some decent TH9s, but have never 3 starred a TH10 that had 2 infernos yet. I see how you laid your CC early enough that they met the enemys CC and the Freeze spells were timed very nicely. Thanks for sharing! My AQ is 14 and my BK is 11 right now btw.
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Originally Posted by BigPapiSolis
I was in Masters 2 and dropped because the only thing I could do up there was balloon for 50% and I was always on the loosing end with Elixir... It stunted my growth so I dropped back down. I couldnt find a army configuration that I could use and actually win more elixir than i spent, even taking the 120k bonus for winning.
Heres my next attack guys.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...pslmlr68cw.png
It looks like if I go in from the left side and send a Golem into the bottom left compartment and a Golem into the middle left compartment that a well placed jump spell could lead both compartments into the left Inferno. If I time my Freezes out right I should take minimal damage from the inferno, as soon as my guys jump into that inferno I freeze the second inferno catching that Xbox with it and drop a rage right over his TH so it covers both Infernos. Does that sound like a solid plan or does anyone have a better idea of how to attack this guy?
Bring some spare minions and if you can afford it, 2 balloons for top archer tower. You can pick off a lot of buildings at the other 3 corners with this to ensure the 50% and the second star, if not there is a risk that you throw everything to get TH and miss the 50%.
What army competition do you guys suggest thoigh
All X-Bows Ground and all Wiz Towers and AQ super accessible. Quite an easy 3* with Lavaloons really.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
I have all the nessessary troops. Maxed balloons maxed lavas lvl 5 minions lvl 5 freeze. I just couldn't ever get the grasp of balloon attacks. If you can walk me threw how you would attack the base and with what troops I'm definitely open to giving it a shot
I waited until the last minute and still didnt see any advice on ballooning. I ballooned a TH9 earlier in the war and it didnt go well so I just stuck with my guns and my original game plan and GoWiPed him. I got his town hall but only 42%. I thought the attack was actually going well, I baited his CC and killed it off with mine succesffully, played my spells quick enough and destroyed the first inferno. I am puzzled as to why the Barb King didnt keep going to the second Inferno, I would have easily gotten 50% if he did, but heres the goods guys.
http://youtu.be/eIoT1LeNd5Y
Here you go bud. Here's my quad lava combo. Beauty about this attack is it's perfect for guys upgrading heroes or guys with lower level heroes. Majority of the time can get 2 without hero help so use heroes to aim for 3rd star.
http://youtu.be/KXHiVMhZU0M
Was that 4 lava 22 balloons 20 minions 3 rage 2 freeze? You dont ever bait the CC? What happens if he has a dragon in there?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPapiSolis
I don't cause minions and pups are good at taking out CC troops from the replays i have watched. I have never encountered a drag though personally but i would like to think it would target my hounds, if it targeted the loons then that could be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
Most people run witch archers wiz in their top 5 I haven't even thought about a drag in a while. Are drags fairly common for you?
Drop the 2nd Giant a second after the 1st in case of Traps.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
Should've attacked East. Always attack Queen side. She has the highest DPS in the game (bar Single Inferno). If you attack from the opposite side you are letting her cause immense damage to your troops whilst they are stuck in the core.
Space your Glems out more and they should flank your center forces. This will give you more initial % as well as divert attacks from center allowing an easier passage to core.
Rage too early. First Rage would be better served overlapping an Inferno Tower and Pekkas, Freeze Inferno, then as TH is destroyed Rage path to and Freeze 2nd Inferno.
This was my first Lavoonion attack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOLWPM1_dGw&list=PLxLO6ByRAa3aBQxIPs29 ukHP 3iCW7p3Y7&index=6
My second attempt was at a much Higher TH10 with a different composition. I tried to replicate this Fengtian's attack here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_S_SgWEcBI
Killed AQ, CC, a Wiz Tower, and an AD with GoHeroes. Only got 87% because my 2nd Freeze was a tad too early... :mad:
Anyway Predator explains really well anyway so not must point posting my fail.
Enjoy! :)
Once again only 1 TH10 for me to hit:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...psac7ibd1o.png
At first im feeling good about this guy, seeing his walls are horrible got me excited. Large compartments makes him look easy. Then I realize most of his defenses are maxed. His ADs and Wiz towers are spread pretty well so it makes a balloon attack not the greatest idea. My next thought is to attack GoWiPe attacking from the side to only take on 1 Inferno at a time, but the way the compartments are set up they will just lead my troops right in front of the Infernos to get toasted. Im curious to hear how you guys would attack this base.
http://s28.postimg.org/l1yb18eyj/Scr...ac7ibd1o_2.png
What is the CC radius? Can you lure with Giants? If not will take a few Hogs as maxed Cannon and South X-Bow looks set to ground.
No Teslas in core so with some skills you can GoWiWiPe this base from the East. I have hit very similar bases when pushing to Champs. Jump Pekkas to core. (I tend to WB in then Jump out of core for 100% but that requires spell and WB timing so at this time safer to Jump in. You want a ton of WBs and get your main forces to go in East where the Mortar is. If they slipped into the South compartment there are too many def distracting them they may never go to core.
Place the Jump bang on the DE Storage should give access to the most number of compartments and core. This requires precision. If you have doubts it is safer to use more WBs initially then place the Jump slightly deeper for safer placement.
Best thing to do is to save a couple of Barbs. Barbs have same AI as Pekka and BK, so if you want to make sure they go to core and not circle the outer lanes drop a Barb and look at what it targets. If something in core then spam Pekkas and BK! Cheeky little beginner's tip right there!
What you want is Pekkas to core and a Golem leading some Wiz on top and bottom compartments. All Teslas are either at the edge gaps of in the Southern compartment. Obviously you will need more troops South than North or the Golem South will be toasted without getting very far.
When you Freeze Rage your entry East you want to Freeze the Queen as well as the Inferno Tower, then Rage your troops to kill them both. Do not drop too early before Pekkas are in rage because DE storage has a ton of health.
The key to dealing with the Single Targeted Inferno is do not Freeze it until it has targeted a Golem or a Pekka for a couple of seconds. It takes the Inferno Tower 5s to get to full DPS. So you have time to delay this for as long as you can. Freezing it will force it to switch target upon unfreezing.
Serial Rage your way through the core.
Something like that...
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Originally Posted by Kruzkal
You gave a great walkthrew on what to do but I totally screwed it up... My top golem went towards the top center instead of going to the wall i hoped that he would and I paniced and screwed the whole attack up. Ended up sending witches and wizzys in not behind him on the top and rushed the pekkas to fast (like you said not to) and they got stuck on the top. It was to late to save the attack, I tried getting them back into the center but my attack was ruined by that point and I ended with like 38%. Ill post the vid in a little bit
Heres my nice 3 star attack on their #2, a TH9. The way he had his corners laid out, I felt confident in Goleming them like that and it really helped me spread out better instead of bunching up which is usually my problem.
http://youtu.be/zeEO2YsHxc0
Heres the bad attack, my fail on their #1, a TH10
http://youtu.be/lAjDTpjo1Os
Watch what attacks should look like, it looks like you panic a lot.
I get why it was mentioned that I should trophy push to get practice for war, but im not sure my base is really ready to push yet?
I know you cant see but I have a Wiz Tower upgrading, a Tesla Upgrading, a Cannon upgrading, and an Air Defense. I always keep 1 builder free so that I can upgrade walls with extra gold
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...psgqhh55ul.png
Give it a shot and see how it holds up. If it doesn't then use farming base and put TH in corner. I hang out in masters 2&3 and get sniped on the regular.
Try to get some quad lava practice in and see if you can get it down.
***recommend setting at least one inferno to multi
Im not to sure I really like my war base in general, just looks to easy to get to my infernos, but I havent gotten attacked in like 5 wars... so I dont know? Ill switch an inferno to multiQuote:
Originally Posted by BigPapiSolis
Things I would fix:Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
North Double Giant Bombs are not between same set of defenses and therefore will not triggered simultaneously by Hogs.
South Giant Bombs easy to trigger early.
Clan Castle looks lurable.
AQ accessible.
Mid ADs exposed.
Ads in Wiz Tower range. (Lava Hounds will shut down your air splash damage i.e. Lavoon 3*.)
Air Bombs protecting ADs. (Lava Hounds triggering will waste splash best suited for Loons.)
South Seeking Air Mines could be triggered by Loons.
Single Targeted Inferno Towers.
I saw that their #1 had a layout a lot like the TH9 I 3 starred last war so I got pretty excited. Lured and killed the CC, quickly laid a Golem at each corner, double wall breakered each side for the Golems. Start laying wizzards quickly just to realize the wall breakers didnt get threw... Ok so I lay more wall breakers quickly, no success... At this point I am in serious need of getting that wall broken quickly so I lay the rest of my wallbreakers (maybe 10 of them?) and NONE of them break the wall. I zoomed in so that you can see the defenses are all focused on the Golem and the wall breakers get to the wall between WT zaps, but they literly dissapear as they get to the wall, it costed me for sure, I should have easily 50% this base, probably 2 starred it. Take a look at the replay.
http://youtu.be/O3xk3vz1hRI
Maybe your just not skilled.....😹
Im not, thats why im in this thread trying to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofiav8888
WT was hitting them anyway. It seems that the WT zap doesn't actually land when the projectile reaches the target, but a split second earlier. The projectile animation was probably misleading you into dropping the WB too early.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkweibley
The other thing is that WBs take a full second after they reach the wall before they try to blow it up. I think it would be extremely difficult or even impossible to get them in between WT zaps, they just come in too fast.
So I guess I should have tryed to get them to land at a slightly different part of the wall instead of right in front of the Golem. Interesting to know for future attacksQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoyobuae
Ive see Dragons or Balloons in their #1 guys CC once maybe every 4 warsQuote:
Originally Posted by BigPapiSolis
Wiz Towers have very high attack rate, also South has a Tesla which also hits fast. Drop your WBs slightly off and not directly behind Golems to prevent WT and Mortar splash targeting your Golems from kicking your WBs' butts.