Town Hall 11 and the future of the current CoC economy

Fix th9/10 first

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Originally Posted by daz258

if the exponential cost rises from TH8 > TH9 > TH10 > TH11 continue it would be unsustainable unless significant other changes are introduced into the game. Such as loot penalties being adjusted, which would be bad news for lower halls.

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Large strides in offsetting this gap could be made with a restructuring of the league bonus system. I think we agree that a significant source/increase in income would be required, but having it come from increasing what can be taken from others isn't ideal. Having that source be game-generated would be beneficial to all, and would allow this exponential increase in base progression cost to continue for TH11. I've quoted others below to reinforce this.

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Originally Posted by Pantu

The game needs new ways of getting resources to boost the economy.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

That way big TH11 upgrades can cost more without cheapening everything lower in the game. Although if upgrades will cost 10mil then there probably does need to be another source of income...

1. Mines, Collectors, Drills
2. Raiding
3. Loot Bonus (kinda sits with raiding)
4. Wars (hardcore farmers wouldn't consider this a decent source of income)

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Originally Posted by kennyAD

I think the biggest problem for TH11 is there are no easy way to farm on TH10 . TH10 can attack max TH9 with relatively cheap troops with 1-2 spells . This is not the case of attack max TH10 . You need 1-2 freeze spell to do storage raid.

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And this ^ quote ^ is the one I want to emphasize. Higher THs require so much more invested in order to farm, as the loot penalties make mid-range THs no longer viable and the combination of 8 storages and a myriad of new/upgraded defenses make raiding higher lvl THs very difficult to hit.

There's this opposing force that strengthens as you move up in TH level. It encourages the top level players to continue using the cheapest troops as their form of farming, as they can reap the league bonus rewards just the same with them. But it further widens the gap from being able to properly storage raid or go for anything more than a 1-star attack on stronger bases. The end result of this is a significant decrease in loot per hour, which strongly conflicts with exponential increases on upgrade costs.

Reforming the league bonus system would allow for the stronger attacks that are required for hitting TH10's storages to actual become profitable up at higher leagues. It would also allow more high-loot storage bases to become available more frequently in the matchmaking queue due to it removing the incentive to snipe THs from a farming perspective.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...nus-multiplier

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Originally Posted by Micker99

TH10 has a hard enough time getting loot, but the good thing is they can hold onto it easier, because they have no TH above them. If there is a TH11, TH10 is in big trouble, because now they are prey again.

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I have a TH9 and and TH10 account and I get TH sniped on both of them at just about the same frequency. TH10s won't be in big trouble if they roll out TH11. This is due to several factors, a big one being that the league bonus system is totally outdated for how many times SC has increased the payouts, economically encouraging 50% 1-stars and TH snipes over any form of farming.

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Originally Posted by mhwong

Slightly lowering the cost of upgrades in TH10, plus slight increase in max storage level, will be both required. The current economy is broken for TH10, and what will TH11 feed on? Other TH11?

Perhaps SC should follow Eve Online and hire a macro economist to balance things up and manage the economy.

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This is an excellent idea. Had they taken advice from even an brand-new, right out of college economist when proposing to unravel elixir for walls, they would have been informed immediately of the crippling economic effect it was going to cause. I don't understand how you develop a game that requires the economy to be at a very stable balance, as any small action taken on it could cause a massive negative impact on overall gameplay and playability, and then go and spontaneously roll out an update without first consulting with someone who could have predicted the consequences a mile away.

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Originally Posted by jojolopes

Also (take this with a grain of salt), someone I know has a "source" at SC and he said they aren't going to put TH11 out until the summer. Again, just something I heard from a source of a mate.

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Yeah my supermodel girlfriend who goes to a different school (they rezoned the district lines last year) knows a famous celebrity who wants to remain anonymous, and he told her that he found out from his cousin that a mobile phone app company would be unveiling a pretty substantial update this summer.

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Originally Posted by blackcollector

TH11 will need a huge attack advantage to take on a max TH10. Because let's admit it, a TH11 should be able to beat a TH10. 20 more troops won't change a thing.

I can see a new def structures.

I can see a new resource only for TH11.
I can see a new barrack/troop with the new resource.

I can see the game being fun again :)

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20 more troops will certainly change a lot, especially if combined with the standard upgrades from a new th. New level cc would make it 25 extra troops. 10 new levels of heroes would be expected which means a Lvl 10 ability at 50 for the BK, which adds 24 lvl 7 barbs and 16 lvl 7 archers.

Combine the above with the standard progression of upgrades and you get lvl 7 balloons, lvl 6 hogs, lvl 3 witches, lvl 7 wizards, lvl 7 golems etc. With these upgrades alone you would have an easy time with th10s. Not to mention the possibility of another DE troop or a lvl 4 Lava Hound. Skilled players are crushing th10s with laloonian as the game stands now.

So even if the only things added to the game are higher levels of camps/troops/hereos, it wouldn't be long before max th10s are being 3 starred.

PS. Add some new lvls to spells and th11 will crush th10.

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Originally Posted by in0v8r

20 more troops will certainly change a lot, especially if combined with the standard upgrades from a new th. New level cc would make it 25 extra troops. 10 new levels of heroes would be expected which means a Lvl 10 ability at 50 for the BK, which adds 24 lvl 7 barbs and 16 lvl 7 archers.

Combine the above with the standard progression of upgrades and you get lvl 7 balloons, lvl 6 hogs, lvl 3 witches, lvl 7 wizards, lvl 7 golems etc. With these upgrades alone you would have an easy time with th10s. Not to mention the possibility of another DE troop or a lvl 4 Lava Hound. Skilled players are crushing th10s with laloonian as the game stands now.

So even if the only things added to the game are higher levels of camps/troops/hereos, it wouldn't be long before max th10s are being 3 starred.

PS. Add some new lvls to spells and th11 will crush th10.

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Good. What is the problem with TH10s being crushed? TH11 better have substantial offensive upgrades....

Now, if they make a new TH11 troop that forces multi infernos to target it (maybe even single inferno too). It's probably too similar to a golem or lava hound, but something with like 10000 HP that didn't attack and only soaked inferno dmg would make TH11 hitting TH10 much easier.

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Originally Posted by LEGOanimal22

Hello all.

The idea of Town Hall 11 excites me. But, I worry that the current economic system will not support all of the possible upgrades that would come with this impending upgrade.

Possible Solutions:
(1) New resource
(2) More storage in Town Hall per level
(3) Vault-like building that will protect at least 40% of your resources

What are your thoughts on the matter?

LEGOanimal22

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As some players are saying they'd need to change the game mechanics to make a new Th level a good thing.


Right now Th10 is hard to farm and you have to invest a huge amount of resources actually take resources. Thanks to infernos, freeze spells are pretty necessary for storage farming. Add in high level heros, and you have massive wait times. This makes war appealing to Th10 players but that isn't a good method to rake in elixir

The problem with just upping the loot bonus for regular raiding is sniping. Even now, I almost never worry about a real raid on my base. Why? Because I offer my Th free of charge. With 100,000+ to be had basically for free - rarely does anyone turn it down. Heck, I'll pass off on decent loot for this free of charge bonus.


So a multiplier for stars might be necessary. But even then you inadvertently promoting picking on the weaker guys....

I don't want 10 more levels of heros unless I can use them upgrading!!! Otherwise its a massive grind that I have to do with one hand tied behind my back!


I hope SC continues focusing on re-balancing the game. Th10 needs to change if its not the top of the hill anymore.

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Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer

The problem with just upping the loot bonus for regular raiding is sniping. Even now, I almost never worry about a real raid on my base. Why? Because I offer my Th free of charge. With 100,000+ to be had basically for free - rarely does anyone turn it down. Heck, I'll pass off on decent loot for this free of charge bonus.

So a multiplier for stars might be necessary. But even then you inadvertently promoting picking on the weaker guys....

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In the link I posted above, Gunkar suggests a reform to the league bonus system that would all but eliminate TH sniping as a form of farming, as well as offer more lucrative rewards for more devastating attacks.

First, you up the league bonuses across the board to offset the inevitable dropoff in game-generated loot with this new system. The system is this:

1-star: % of league bonus rewarded based on % of damage dealt
2-star: 100% of league bonus rewarded
3-star: multiplier applied to league bonus

The multiplier would have to be flattened out the higher up in leagues you go, given the way the base amounts are offered at each league currently.

To remove the possibility of exploiting the multiplier in the way you brought up, you apply a penalty to the multiplier in a similar fashion to how the loot penalty currently works (based on TH disparity). Maybe instead of 10% and 50% for 1- and 2-TH level differences, it's 50% and 75% or something, but you get the gist. This would leave a base like a TH7 offering up maybe 1.25x the league bonus in Crystal leagues to get 3-starred by a TH9 using Barch/BAM. It would occur, but it would still require that TH9 to expend almost all those troops, and the loot penalty on the storages wouldn't render the base highly profitable to do so. What it would do, though, is cause a natural tendency to demolish lower level bases that don't belong in higher leagues, thus knocking them down to more appropriate ones.

Players could still snipe to get up into the higher leagues, but they wouldn't be able to profit well from being there unless they had suitable troops, as receiving the full league bonus from exposed TH bases would require not just the TH 1-star, but at least 50% damage as well.

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Originally Posted by Pete82

Good. What is the problem with TH10s being crushed? TH11 better have substantial offensive upgrades....

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Nothing! My arguments were simply that there doesn't need to be some major new troop or resource or spell to 3 star a max th10 as previously suggested.

I was just showing that only a few upgrades would be necessary to do so.

It just feels like players that practice attacking, or put a strategy together arent having a problem. The players that want to spam the map with one troop and hope for the best are the one's complaining. The mentality is "Well if I had better troops I would be better.", "If Supercell added a new resource to use for a new troop, I would be better." "If a third hero was added, I could loot so much easier." None of this is true, practice is what makes people good at anything. The game is called "Clash of Clans", you can't clash and not have a loser. Nerf this, buff that, add this, loot sucks; all arguments that have to be weeded through to find out if there is actually something wrong with the mechanics of the game or it's just someone who thinks the game is not easy enough for them.

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Originally Posted by in0v8r

Nothing! My arguments were simply that there doesn't need to be some major new troop or resource or spell to 3 star a max th10 as previously suggested.

I was just showing that only a few upgrades would be necessary to do so.

It just feels like players that practice attacking, or put a strategy together arent having a problem. The players that want to spam the map with one troop and hope for the best are the one's complaining. The mentality is "Well if I had better troops I would be better.", "If Supercell added a new resource to use for a new troop, I would be better." "If a third hero was added, I could loot so much easier." None of this is true, practice is what makes people good at anything. The game is called "Clash of Clans", you can't clash and not have a loser. Nerf this, buff that, add this, loot sucks; all arguments that have to be weeded through to find out if there is actually something wrong with the mechanics of the game or it's just someone who thinks the game is not easy enough for them.

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I might never say this again on here, but I agree. Well said. I don't think TH10 is completely balanced yet, which is why I think TH11 is a long ways off. That said, I think low level heroes is a big reason why many struggle at TH10. It certainly is tough to take on a max TH10 with 15/15 heroes.....

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Originally Posted by unknownoptimus

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We all looking forward th 11, however no sign from SC on any sneak peak ..
Whatever we wish also not gonna become true...sad sad...

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People could YA PLEASE SPELL IT THE RIGJT WAY- "SNEEK"- FOR ONCE CUZ SNEAK IS A VERB AND THIS IS GETTING FRUSTRATING