Apart from loss of revenue from those willing to gem their heroes (i suspect their biggest draw) the heroes in normal are under construction and cannot have a reneration time when they get beat in war.
If they were to entertain doing this, not only will they be giving up a revenue stream but expend more money to accomodate this feature.
In short this having heroes which are upgrading in war is a bad idea unless you wish pay for playing the game.
It's because since heroes cannot be replaced, when its upgrading you cannot use it unless you cancel the upgrade.
Neither can new buildings and defences but they are kept whole in war even to the point of having a completely new one building in normal coming up as a completed lvl 1 in war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thekiller
It is because when heroes get beat they have a regeneration time which cannot fit in with the upgrade time showing in normal.
On defense. Heroes are also available in the same manner, on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mushy
I think it's a bug. On defense they say all buildings and heroes are always ready, wether they are upgraded or not, because it should be a fair fight between two clans. Upgrades should not interfere.
But suddenly on offense the heroes can't be used. It makes no sense. There it does matter, so if a big part of the clan is upgrading archer queen, you better stop the war because you will lose for sure.
Maybe technical it's hard to accomplish, else I see no reason why they do this.
Hm, quote from SC clanwar faq: "The War Base is only for defense in clan wars. All attacking armies must come from your normal village". Since the heroes are upgraded in normal village, it makes some sense they can't be used in attacks. But still clan wars are a big obstacle for upgrading heroes (or upgrading heroes is an obstacle for starting war). I think that's not something they intended to achieve with clan wars.
I agree, it's a huge gaping hole in the clan war system. Sure, you can't use your spell factory while it's upgrading, but how often do you upgrade your spell factory??? Once per town hall upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faramir02
Sure, you can't use a barracks when it's upgrading, but:
A) You only upgrade the barracks once per town hall level (with a couple exceptions)
B) You have multiple barracks. Even if you upgrade all your barracks, you can still have all but one available as long as you stagger the upgrades.
Regarding point B, I suppose someone can stagger their hero upgrades so they always have at least one available. But come on, we're talking about a total of 40 upgrades each. It's just not practical to expect a strong player to upgrade one hero at a time. Slower farmers like myself will probably stagger anyway, just due to lack of DE, but the active players will be doing both. And since the AQ is generally considered the stronger of the two, having the BK available is at best a consolation prize.
I doubt it's a technical limitation. I mean, come on, they designed the whole game, all the various interfaces for upgrading and building and queuing and attacking and replaying and chatting and editing layouts... Heck, they did the elixir walls, two options for buying walls. I seriously doubt there is a major technical limitation of having an upgrade timer AND a regeneration timer. Sure, it might take them a few days of some programmer's time and effort to implement, but they are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars in this game. Surely a few days of some programmer's time is not a burden to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faramir02
Update: Regarding the hundreds of millions of dollars, that was a wild guess, but it's probably a decent one. I assume there are tens of thousands of die hard players spending $1000 or more per year* ($100 per month give or take). I assume there are hundreds of thousands more players spending hundreds of dollars a year (maybe $5 to $20 a month). Both of those guesses yield revenues of tens of millions per year. Throw in a million or so players spending $5 to $20 a year. I mean, it all adds up, it's gotta be at least $100 million a year, if not several hundred million.
Preach, brother! I get that it's a loss of a certain stream of revenue for Supercell but seriously... They will be losing a whole lot of players, rather than just a certain stream of revenue, if they don't get this implemented and fast- along with the whole clan war match making "dilemma." I know hundreds of players that are completely fed up with the heroes being down for CWs and the matchmaking system (not including myself, mind you). I'm just speaking on behalf of the helpless ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xitra
Well said, and I wish supercell would read this and take it to heart (which i doubt will happen).Quote:
Originally Posted by Xitra
This is my only problem with this game. We war once a week at the same time, and planning these 7 day upgrades just sucks. Your whole mindset on the game is trying to upgrade heroes around these dang wars. With war attacks becoming so competitive over time, going into war without a hero makes it a lot less enjoyable.
With that said, supercell is a business. This is a good revenue stream, but eliminating a very annoying thing to high lvl loyal players may offset the initial revenue lost eventually. This is a small amount of revenue, throw us a bone and make us even more loyal!
SC response to the technicality behind upgrading heroes and war can be found via link in my sig
I hate to be the stick in the mud but.............
not allowing upgrading heroes in war makes perfect sense. An upgrading hero is gaining new sills, or abilities or becoming stronger in some way. In other words, training or re-training if you prefer. Now let's compare that to the logic used for other troops.
I fill my barracks with troops for war, after the first archer is made i launch my attack, how many troops are available? The one archer that is finished training or all 200 (in my case) that I have waiting to finish training? Just the one right? Only the completed troops are available when you attack, if your hero is upgrading it is not completed, hence it isn't available.