Arguing over loot is ignorant, idiotic, pointless, and subjective

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January 24th, 2015
iErvin

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Most people comlplaining about loot are th10s, no th10 complaining gives a damn about what other ths are getting, thus there is no difference in th.
Down time hetween raids is irrelevant, what is relevant is nexting time which is what you ridiculously regarded as minimal. The other thing is peoples standards on what constitutes good loot.
To conclude dont make threads like this if you arent th10.

Downtime between raids is absolutely relevant. If barch/BAM/GiBarch wasn't an option at TH10 we would be doomed (we=TH10s). Some people like farming with loons/lavaloonion and similar combos but when it comes to efficiency nothing beats barch in efficiency. With ~20 minutes of downtime you can do plenty of 150k-300k raids (plus 100k+ loot bonus), provided that you can raid. Sure, if you are busy and can only log in once every 2 hours loonion and the other expensive combos will work the best.

TH10 loot is fine. I have farmed C3 for two weeks, it dried out and I had bad loot for 2 consecutive days so I have moved up to C2, doing fine again. Loot isn't as reliable as TH9- loot but you can certainly work with it.
January 24th, 2015
Gama321

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Originally Posted by reggie1713

I didn't start the thread, which you warned against.... What I contribute is absolute agreement as a forward thinking max th9, what I don't understand is undermining someone in the group you generally criticize who actually is on the same page. Sorry for trying to convince the people you were making a point to that you are right... Learned my lesson

Oh my bad lol, sensed some sarcasm. But what I said wasnt really aimed at you as an individual, but rather articulating how nobody can comment on th10 loot without experiencing it. Personally I do think its worse at th10 than it should be, despite having more expensive armies the amount of loot available is harder to get and there is less of it even with loot bonus, which doesn't make sense. That being said I am doing ok and although it can be tweaked i wouldn't call it a crisis like other people do.

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Originally Posted by iErvin

Downtime between raids is absolutely relevant. If barch/BAM/GiBarch wasn't an option at TH10 we would be doomed (we=TH10s). Some people like farming with loons/lavaloonion and similar combos but when it comes to efficiency nothing beats barch in efficiency. With ~20 minutes of downtime you can do plenty of 150k-300k raids (plus 100k+ loot bonus), provided that you can raid. Sure, if you are busy and can only log in once every 2 hours loonion and the other expensive combos will work the best.

TH10 loot is fine. I have farmed C3 for two weeks, it dried out and I had bad loot for 2 consecutive days so I have moved up to C2, doing fine again. Loot isn't as reliable as TH9- loot but you can certainly work with it.

I dont think ive ever seen somebody complain about th10 loot and then start talking about time between raids. The complaints are due to inconsistency, it doesn't matter if training time was 0 if there's no loot to take. People would be happy if loot was more consistent. If inactives weren't sent to the back of the queue as fast the higher the league you are in and/or lootable percentage was increased then there wouldn't be as many complaints.
January 24th, 2015
reggie1713

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Oh my bad lol, sensed some sarcasm. But what I said wasnt really aimed at you as an individual, but rather articulating how nobody can comment on th10 loot without experiencing it. Personally I do think its worse at th10 than it should be, despite having more expensive armies the amount of loot available is harder to get and there is less of it even with loot bonus, which doesn't make sense. That being said I am doing ok and although it can be tweaked i wouldn't call it a crisis like other people do.

I dont think ive ever seen somebody complain about th10 loot and then start talking about time between raids. The complaints are due to inconsistency, it doesn't matter if training time was 0 if there's no loot to take. People would be happy if loot was more consistent. If inactives weren't sent to the back of the queue as fast the higher the league you are in and/or lootable percentage was increased then there wouldn't be as many complaints.

Very cool that you responded like this, reading again I get why you thought I was being sarcastic. I was just trying to give respect to a th10 bc I'm dreading/putting it off. I have received abvice from several th10 and it doesn't seem like a crisis at all, but Def worth waiting to pull the trigger. I only responded bc every loot complaint seems ridiculous to me... That said, th 10 seems tough, I'll max my walls first.

Reggie1713
January 24th, 2015
Gama321

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Originally Posted by reggie1713

Very cool that you responded like this, reading again I get why you thought I was being sarcastic. I was just trying to give respect to a th10 bc I'm dreading/putting it off. I have received abvice from several th10 and it doesn't seem like a crisis at all, but Def worth waiting to pull the trigger. I only responded bc every loot complaint seems ridiculous to me... That said, th 10 seems tough, I'll max my walls first.

Reggie1713

Walls are noticeably harder, and if you hope to one day max them then it is well worth considering staying at th9 to do them, especially since lvl10 are the ones that take an extra maxed wb. But if not then it may not be worth having sleeping builders over, walls are easier at th9 but they're still very much doable at th10, and the benefit of doing walls is marginal compared to the time it takes to do them.
January 24th, 2015
Daddy

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Originally Posted by iErvin

Downtime between raids is absolutely relevant. If barch/BAM/GiBarch wasn't an option at TH10 we would be doomed (we=TH10s). Some people like farming with loons/lavaloonion and similar combos but when it comes to efficiency nothing beats barch in efficiency.

I totally agree downtime is important, but just to correct you on a minor point BAM is technically more efficient as the build time is lower - 6 racks working vs 4 for BArch

From a loot perspective BAM is less efficient for DE raiding for obvious reasons - 400-500 DE used per raid
January 24th, 2015
reggie1713

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Walls are noticeably harder, and if you hope to one day max them then it is well worth considering staying at th9 to do them, especially since lvl10 are the ones that take an extra maxed wb. But if not then it may not be worth having sleeping builders over, walls are easier at th9 but they're still very much doable at th10, and the benefit of doing walls is marginal compared to the time it takes to do them.

It's worth mentioning I'm the leader of a full time war clan and the top member by far, lots of new th9s. I'd rather not ruin matchmaking. Also , after watching the hulk files on YouTube I'm inclined to stay th9 for now. You are totally right tho, with different clan dynamics I might pull the trigger. I'm just having too much fun 3 starring top th9s right now lol. Plus my builders need a break, they work too hard.

Reggie1713
January 24th, 2015
soaraspros

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Originally Posted by SynysterGates

most of your point want people to treat a mobile game like their job.no one can get 250 lavas by casual play even with boost 2-4hours in 10days. let alone no boost. n i think 4hours straight play also not consider as casual anymore.

lavas or higher are for hardcore players, if youre not willing to spend hours a day playing then either stick to lvl 7 noob walls or find an easier game =)
January 24th, 2015
iErvin
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Originally Posted by Gama321

I dont think ive ever seen somebody complain about th10 loot and then start talking about time between raids. The complaints are due to inconsistency, it doesn't matter if training time was 0 if there's no loot to take. People would be happy if loot was more consistent. If inactives weren't sent to the back of the queue as fast the higher the league you are in and/or lootable percentage was increased then there wouldn't be as many complaints.

Yes, luckily training time is not part of any complains, but imagine if only expensive combos worked at TH10, it would be a disaster.

Yes, consistency is an issue but you can work around it, sometimes +/- 100 trophies can make a huge difference.

The real issue is, lets face it, TH sniping. Don't misunderstand me, I love being sniped, I have my TH exposed all the time and shielded for free more often than not, thats usually 400k/400k/3k removed from the pool of raidable bases. The people who don't have their TH exposed usually have nothing to lose and you spend time/gold looking at those bases.

How to fix it?
- Remove shield from TH snipe or hold 20-30% of resources in the TH
- Reduce TH shield to 9 hours
- If a village isn't attacked after being shown to 20-30 potential attackers it is removed from the queue for 2-3 hours
Supercell will have to make drastical changes to the loot or TH11 would be a complete disaster.
January 24th, 2015
antimatter
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Originally Posted by iErvin

How to fix it?

Remove shield from TH snipe or hold 20-30% of resources in the TH
Reduce TH shield to 9 hours
If a village isn't attacked after being shown to 20-30 potential attackers it is removed from the queue for 2-3 hours

Supercell will have to make drastical changes to the loot or TH11 would be a complete disaster.
NO. just no. that will have to make everyone protect their th, which breaks the whole point in farming... The best fix is EVERYONE put their th outside. That way we can all just snipe each others townhall in high leaugues and leave and be happy with the loot bonus.

And arguing about loot is reasonable IMHO. If i cant find any good bases (and i usually do) of course id be curious where it went.
January 24th, 2015
Gama321
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Originally Posted by iErvin

Yes, luckily training time is not part of any complains, but imagine if only expensive combos worked at TH10, it would be a disaster.

Yes, consistency is an issue but you can work around it, sometimes +/- 100 trophies can make a huge difference.

The real issue is, lets face it, TH sniping. Don't misunderstand me, I love being sniped, I have my TH exposed all the time and shielded for free more often than not, thats usually 400k/400k/3k removed from the pool of raidable bases. The people who don't have their TH exposed usually have nothing to lose and you spend time/gold looking at those bases.

How to fix it?

Remove shield from TH snipe or hold 20-30% of resources in the TH
Reduce TH shield to 9 hours
If a village isn't attacked after being shown to 20-30 potential attackers it is removed from the queue for 2-3 hours

Supercell will have to make drastical changes to the loot or TH11 would be a complete disaster.
The thing is that drastic changes usually have unwanted side-effects which is what they would most definitely want to avoid. That's why I think its highly unlikely that the mechanics of the th would change, and I don't really want it to (protecting my loot and all :p). It would also make it less casual, at the moment I can log off and get sniped quickly and I know I have a shield, it would be a pain to leave my house and not know if I have a shield and how many times Im getting raided and stuff, although people would quickly adjust and accept if that were to happen.

Naturally such a change would be more beneficial to active players so in the end I would benefit from it still so there's no real reason for me to be against it, but the idea of my base being more vulnerable still irks me.

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