Are elixir walls and lightning rods ruled out in Ideas and Feature Requests???

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January 19th, 2015
Xitra

Are elixir walls and lightning rods ruled out in Ideas and Feature Requests???

So in the last few days, and especially today, I've seen threads about elixir walls or for protecting DE storage, which just disappeared. I assume they got deleted. I was actually trying to reply in one thread a couple hours ago, and when I finished typing my reply and clicked the post reply button, it told me I didn't have access, so I tried to reload the thread, and it told me the same thing, and that's when I checked the forum and saw that it wasn't there anymore.

I know that ruled out ideas get deleted automatically. But so far, the ruled out sticky doesn't say that elixir walls or lightning rods are ruled out. So why are the threads being deleted? Can't they just be closed and/or maybe moved somewhere else?

(Don't get me wrong, I'd like the lightning rods to get ruled out, but until they are, why are we deleting the threads?)
January 19th, 2015
daz258

I wish they were ruled out, so sick of seeing the same horrible ideas regurgitated on a daily basis.
January 19th, 2015
LachNessMeownster

But it is repeatedly posting ideas that have been suggested before, which is also against forum rules.
Only one thread for each topic is needed :)
January 19th, 2015
BattleBorn007

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Originally Posted by Xitra

So in the last few days, and especially today, I've seen threads about elixir walls or for protecting DE storage, which just disappeared. I assume they got deleted. I was actually trying to reply in one thread a couple hours ago, and when I finished typing my reply and clicked the post reply button, it told me I didn't have access, so I tried to reload the thread, and it told me the same thing, and that's when I checked the forum and saw that it wasn't there anymore.

I know that ruled out ideas get deleted automatically. But so far, the ruled out sticky doesn't say that elixir walls or lightning rods are ruled out. So why are the threads being deleted? Can't they just be closed and/or maybe moved somewhere else?

(Don't get me wrong, I'd like the lightning rods to get ruled out, but until they are, why are we deleting the threads?)

They aren't on the Sticky for Ruled out however there is such a huge push (that I am a part of) to keep these ideas from getting added to clash that they just get tons of "No"s and shot down by the community I can see them being added to the ruled out section soon.
January 19th, 2015
Xitra

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Originally Posted by TheGreatLach

But it is repeatedly posting ideas that have been suggested before, which is also against forum rules.
Only one thread for each topic is needed :)

Okay, that makes sense. But then shouldn't they just merge it all into one big thread, or move them, or something like that? I put a lot of time and thought into some of my replies in those discussions, and it's just... gone...
January 19th, 2015
daz258

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Okay, that makes sense. But then shouldn't they just merge it all into one big thread, or move them, or something like that? I put a lot of time and thought into some of my replies in those discussions, and it's just... gone...

Agree, but the volume of them is probably just too much for the mods to keep up with.
January 20th, 2015
aTh

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Originally Posted by TheGreatLach

But it is repeatedly posting ideas that have been suggested before, which is also against forum rules.
Only one thread for each topic is needed :)

I hope forum "Gods" bless you!

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Okay, that makes sense. But then shouldn't they just merge it all into one big thread, or move them, or something like that? I put a lot of time and thought into some of my replies in those discussions, and it's just... gone...

Yes mods actually are doing this :) they merge multiple threads of the same matter in the most popular thread (normally) :)
January 20th, 2015
daz258

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Originally Posted by aTh

I hope forum "Gods" bless you!

Another thing they could do is a 'popular requests' sticky for those not yet ruled out.

Have a topic that is well discussed linked to it, any new posts either merge with it or just close them. Linking to the main discussion thread.
January 20th, 2015
Fanboy17

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Originally Posted by TheGreatLach

But it is repeatedly posting ideas that have been suggested before, which is also against forum rules.
Only one thread for each topic is needed :)

Totally incorrect, as long as some new info is added to the idea a new thread is fine, the mods have confirmed this many times, as much as the forum police hate it this is not against the rules
January 20th, 2015
THNSUM

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Originally Posted by Fanboy17

Totally incorrect, as long as some new info is added to the idea a new thread is fine, the mods have confirmed this many times, as much as the forum police hate it this is not against the rules

There is no new info in these threads, it's the same thing, over and over,. It's not the forum police, it's forum users who would like to find threads other than 15 elixir for walls, 12 lightning rod and 8 war opt out threads. I know some love those same three threads over and over but most don't.

in case you missed the obvious point to the OP, the mods close these repeated threads.
January 20th, 2015
erethizon

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Originally Posted by Fanboy17

Totally incorrect, as long as some new info is added to the idea a new thread is fine, the mods have confirmed this many times, as much as the forum police hate it this is not against the rules

Even worse than that, it is coupled with the rule that you are not supposed to ever reply to old threads (i.e. don't necro threads) which basically means you are both not supposed to start new threads or respond to old ones (i.e. you can read, but don't attempt to participate in the conversation).
January 20th, 2015
Xitra

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Originally Posted by THNSUM

There is no new info in these threads, it's the same thing, over and over,. It's not the forum police, it's forum users who would like to find threads other than 15 elixir for walls, 12 lightning rod and 8 war opt out threads. I know some love those same three threads over and over but most don't.

in case you missed the obvious point to the OP, the mods close these repeated threads.

Well, "close" and "delete" are very different. The threads I was looking at just this morning seem to be gone. Sure, the first few posts might seem like the same old repeated whining, but some very long, thought out replies by myself and some others were in those threads as well. We end up making references to posts that we can't find later, because threads are being deleted.

So while I'm fine with a mod ending a discussion by closing a thread, maybe even moving the thread or merging it, I'm not okay with the thread being deleted out of the blue. Some of these threads can be days old and have 3 or 6 or 10 pages of discussion, and then poof!

Which is why I thought maybe they were finally ruled out topics. But apparently they aren't...
January 20th, 2015
Warble

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Okay, that makes sense. But then shouldn't they just merge it all into one big thread, or move them, or something like that? I put a lot of time and thought into some of my replies in those discussions, and it's just... gone...

I'd be worried that enough of those threads get merged it'd look like it was actually a very popular idea.

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Originally Posted by erethizon

Even worse than that, it is coupled with the rule that you are not supposed to ever reply to old threads (i.e. don't necro threads) which basically means you are both not supposed to start new threads or respond to old ones (i.e. you can read, but don't attempt to participate in the conversation).

Here's how you handle that, when you want to create a new thread, search for similar threads first. If one has been active relatively recently (1-2 weeks max typically but it's a judgement), post to that. If no thread on that topic has been made recently, it's perfectly okay to make it as long as it doesn't violate some other rule.
January 20th, 2015
paddy1888

The thread doesn't have to be in the ruled out section to be deleted. I made a thread about an idea that wasn't ruled out that was deleted. When I asked why, I was told the ruled out ideas wasn't very well worded. To me these are the words of power hungry people that take the rules into their own hands.
Edit:- It all depends on how friendly the OP is with the decision makers.
January 20th, 2015
THNSUM

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Well, "close" and "delete" are very different. The threads I was looking at just this morning seem to be gone. Sure, the first few posts might seem like the same old repeated whining, but some very long, thought out replies by myself and some others were in those threads as well. We end up making references to posts that we can't find later, because threads are being deleted.

So while I'm fine with a mod ending a discussion by closing a thread, maybe even moving the thread or merging it, I'm not okay with the thread being deleted out of the blue. Some of these threads can be days old and have 3 or 6 or 10 pages of discussion, and then poof!

Which is why I thought maybe they were finally ruled out topics. But apparently they aren't...

I agree if they are not ruled out then the real solution is for all of them to be merged into one thread. A sticky.... Call it " the one and only, asking for the same thing over and over and over " thread. Then they can add all the " make the game easier" threads to it, elixir for walls at lvl 4 walls, lightning rods, opt out of war, vacation mode so no one can take my loot when I'm not on, etc..... Anything to keep the clutter from the boards. Even ideas I agree with drive me crazy when there are six of them on the first page, maybe what really bugs me is that means the people who started the threads didn't even look first, just started a thread... Like that idiot who has 47 threads right now going, all of them not in English.
January 20th, 2015
pololo

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Originally Posted by Xitra

So in the last few days, and especially today, I've seen threads about elixir walls or for protecting DE storage, which just disappeared. I assume they got deleted. I was actually trying to reply in one thread a couple hours ago, and when I finished typing my reply and clicked the post reply button, it told me I didn't have access, so I tried to reload the thread, and it told me the same thing, and that's when I checked the forum and saw that it wasn't there anymore.

I know that ruled out ideas get deleted automatically. But so far, the ruled out sticky doesn't say that elixir walls or lightning rods are ruled out. So why are the threads being deleted? Can't they just be closed and/or maybe moved somewhere else?

(Don't get me wrong, I'd like the lightning rods to get ruled out, but until they are, why are we deleting the threads?)

Elixir walls are not ruled out, they are done !
January 20th, 2015
Kirky

Wait, elixir for walls ruled out??? I can upgrade my walls with elixir.

Lightning rod should be ruled out. IMO it's a silly idea.
January 20th, 2015
Kaptain Kat

Technically both these ideas have not been ruled out however there really is nothing of this horse left to even beat. Everything that can or needs to be said on both subjects has been said over and over again. People get tired of repeating themselves and thus both subjects usually never end well.

Very often there are multiple discussions going on about the exact same thing within the first or first 2 pages because people don't bother to read or look or think they bring something new to table it warrants its own thread and to answer that no it most likely doesn't and can go in other threads about the same subject just as easily.

And yes technically we could merge them all into one big discussion thread on elixir walls or lightning rod however we'd end up with monster threads of hundreds of pages. So people will use that as an excuse to start their own polls or new thread "coz no one aint reading that" etc leaving us with even more to merge so we would all get caught in a loop which is rather time consuming.

Elixer for walls was introduced from level 7 walls and up when it was first introduced however the update after that it was changed to level 9 walls and up for economy reasons. Therefore it is not likely it will be brought back so we don't need dosens of discussion threads either.

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Originally Posted by daz258

Another thing they could do is a 'popular requests' sticky for those not yet ruled out.

Have a topic that is well discussed linked to it, any new posts either merge with it or just close them. Linking to the main discussion thread.

Wait... Are you telling me people actually read stickies ?

http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/...psoehfjccx.jpg

To answer this more seriously. More stickies lead to more clutter and even less people actually bother to read them I'm afraid.
January 20th, 2015
Xitra

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Originally Posted by Kirky

Wait, elixir for walls ruled out??? I can upgrade my walls with elixir.

Lightning rod should be ruled out. IMO it's a silly idea.

I knew if I didn't post the whole thing, people might not know what I meant. I thought it was obvious:
- "Please bring back elixir walls for TH8!"
- "Let us use elixir for all walls!"
- "I have too much elixir at TH7, let me buy walls!"

These are just dummy examples, but hopefully that kinda clears it up. It's the TH8's (and a few TH7's and TH6's) that are asking for the elixir walls back. There was one day a few weeks ago, where I think I counted about a dozen such threads on the first three pages.

Yes, I know elixir can be spent on level 9 and higher walls. I was referring to the endless threads from TH8's with overflowing elixir storages who are mad that they can't upgrade walls with elixir, when it was possible less than 2 months ago.
January 20th, 2015
AxionXD

The Ruled Out section is in need of a serious update. It hasn't been touched since September.
January 20th, 2015
LegionOK

What if I told you all that once you hit TH10 and max your drills, DE is more of a nuisance which accumulates and forces you to put your heroes down for a week at a time rather than something you hate to see someone zap away.