> "you would know that 'ruled-out' means an idea that Supercell doesn't want to hear about anymore"
I don't know that at all. I think it is actually not true. "for the time being" implies that there is future interest, just not soon. Future interest means that it is worthy of further discussion. You are trying to divine meaning from the poorly written 'sticky' (pinned rules, top post from moderators). The solution demanded is to improve the text.
Right.. What part of 'not now' don't you understand? If they don't want to hear about those ideas now, again, which has been discussed, and re-discussed, and then started over with another discussion, and then the wheel is reinvented again; why would you want do push it and re-re-re-discuss the topic one more time, right now? There is a reason why they are deleting ruled-out threads, now, and it isn't because there they are idiotic and close minded. The topic is beaten to death currently, and further discussion is detrimental to the advancement of this forum's purpose. If you want to know what was discussed, search! Those threads are, as to my understanding, never deleted. Only deletions are ones that are useless, like spamming threads, harassment threads, trolling threads, and yes.. ruled-out topic threads
To me it is clear, poorly written or not. If you have an issue with how it is written, bring it up with the moderator that posted it.
>"As for the reasons, you would need to do the research for each and every listed ruled-out idea."
No, the onus is on the rules makers to make the rules understandable. If some moderator is going to post a rule, they need to give the explanation there and then. Anything less is rude.
It is not reasonable to expect a customer to do nearly as much research as you suggest before they contribute to the forum.
Customer? This isn't part of the game's service. This is all volunteer work from people wanting a better game. Unfortunately the sad truth is that due to how alike people can think, any new players joining come up with the same, or similar, ideas as the players that came before.
And you want EVERYTHING spelled out for you? Where? In the sticky thread? It is short and to the point as they can get, because if they make it any longer, hardly anyone would feel like reading the monolithic thing. And they did explain it. They said that those list of topics are being looked into, or are ruled-out. No one else questions that, it just is. For those wondering about A/ONE topic of interest, they can easily use the forum search feature and likely find dozens of threads on any of those 81 topics.
And there is NO REASON TO DO full detailed research on each and every topic on that list before they can contribute meaningfully to the forum. The mods ask, or rather order, people to not talk about a set of topics, and that's all we need to know. It would be insane to try to read all of the threads relating to one of those topics, let alone all of them.
> "If you want to talk about the common ideas that still need to be 'voted on' and hashed out, the list is right there, in that same thread with the ruled-out idea list; neatly organized by category."
You have a peculiar concept of "neatly organised". How about thrown together, truly bad ideas mixed with good ideas that may come later.
Look, they are in a bulleted list. How much neater do you think you can get them on a forum system like this in a reasonable time? They are sorted by category, and in formated bullet points. Any neater, and you are starting to go beyond the scope of this forum's ability, and the mod's time to typeset the ideas into a prettier state.
And who said they were all good ideas? No one, as far as I can recall! That is your assumption, and you reading too much into things.
> "As for your badly worded first line, what do you mean 'alienate customers'?"
The game itself invites us to come here to the forums. So we do. First thing encountered is massively overworded guidelines, and then know-it-alls who dismiss your contribution with reference to something unintelligible. For supercell, the game players are the customers. Allowing self appointed forum rulers to be rude to forum newcomers is alienating.
Yes, Supercell invites us to come here, but the so-called self appointed forum rulers are other players as well... until a mod shows up, or an actual staff person from Supercell, puts them in this place. You of all people should know the difference between the two. Yes, the 'know-it-alls' are rude, why do you think I have been trying to make a campaign to stop such rudeness?
Attacking someone's idea is more cutting than a personal attack. If the new people show up with enthusiam but post badly, because the idea is old and dismissed, well link to the explanation for why it is dismissed. Reference to "stickies" is unhelpful. the stickies are themselves unhelpful because they don't say why. they don't even discriminate between the "definitely no"s and "maybe but not soon"s.
You haven't been on the Internet very long, have you? This is human nature. It is ignorant, and callus, and can do many stupid and hurtful things because people in general don't think fair enough ahead on thier actions. I believe that if they knew, they would be much less inclined to do such things, since people in general also want to be nice to others of thier group, as evident by some passionate people here on the forum. The sad irony is that these rude actions of bluntly referring to the sticky, saying they should have searched first, or talking down to them as to why thier idea was shot down before they even dreamed of it are expected to simply somehow fix the newbies' ways and that would be that if the newbie had any brains. We both know that's not the case. The ignorance and pride of the people 'helping' are not helping keep new forum goers, and again that's how human nature is. Thankfully ignorance can be cured with education (but not always).
And the 'no's mean no. If the person running this forum feels like the ideas have been talked about in a nonproductive way for too long that they delete on sight, does it make any difference if it is a 'no, maybe' or a 'no, never'? If there are multiple renditions of the same idea posted here, and they all come up with practically the same answer, Supercell has the answer they need, and do not need others to keep bring it up. That is just assumed by most others when they see the list! If you want the details on why your particular idea is on the ruled-out list, look it up!
I admit, that does need to be stressed to new people, that it is really easy to search for threads about the idea they independently came up with, and can see the idea develop into the answer it got. You said it yourself, the sticky is wordy! And yet you want it to explain more details? You can't have it both ways! It is as short as it can get to get the point across to most people, and even that isn't good enough! Why else do you think I suggested having a specially designed intro page for people new to this sub forum in another thread? (http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ght=intro+page & http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ght=intro+page are the first two results from the search "intro page") I know the sticky thread is ineffective, since new people glaze over from the new environment of the forum and just look for the 'New Thread' button. You never hear about the ones that actually read the sticky and had just one idea to post, since they see the ruling on it, and silently go on thier way.
If you want to fix the common mistake of posting what has been posted too many times before, well it is going to need an easy to follow index of what has been posted too many times before. Such a thing does not exist.
Then suggest that a wiki page be setup. If not, I WILL if you fail to do so after a few days. The reason why wiki pages work is because the human nature of some people wanting information correctly recorded and indexed is really strong. Sure, it will be a huge effort to read over and summarize what has been written, but for dedicated people staying up to date on current topics, it won't be nearly as hard. Once indexed, then people can say 'check the wiki! <link to source>' instead of 'check the sticky'
