4 dark troop ideas:

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Originally Posted by LOKY

Alchemist- Related to sorcerer which is ruled out
Wolf- I see why you want it but a waste of space for something so simple
Falcon- Ruled out
Troll- Related to ogre which is ruled out

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* (UNITS) Ogre, assassin, scorcher, berserker, dark night hawk, sorcerer, sorceress, witch, cyclops, rogue, knight, elf, dead skeleton, war elephant, giant spider, wraith, baby dragon, phoenix, cavalry, falcon, priest, ninja, dog, blimp, marksman, samurai, gargoyle, gryphon, demon, ghost, serpent, slimer

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You are wrong... none of those are ruled out. They are are at the top of the thread under ideas SC is considering. The actual "ruled out" section is about 2/3 of the way down the page.

Sounds like you should read the stickies

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Originally Posted by NF2335

Alchemist:

While the concept is really nice and unique, the fact that it is random makes it a bad troop. It could potentially weaken all troops in a raid, and noone would want that, so it would be better to not use this at all.

My suggestion is that it will always increase the the troop level (or decrease the defense level) by less than one, based on a ratio. For example, if the troop increase was something like this:

Level	Percentage to next level
1	50
2	75
3	100

and a level 1 Alchemist were to affect a level 3 PEKKA, the PEKKA would have 320DPS and 3750 HP, as that is halfway (50%) from level 3 to 4. If the troop is at max level, the "new" level would be calculated based on the two highest levels (eg. A level 6 PEKKA would have 420DPS and 5000 HP, as DPS and HP from level 5 - level 4 = level 6 - level 5, if that makes sense)

What this would achieve is consistency without overpowering troops. However, you don't have to follow my example - this is just a suggestion.
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Wolf:

The issue with this is that its HP is so low, that it needs to be covered with tanks. However, because people will need to get rid of traps inside of the base, it is very likely that it will either race ahead and die to other defenses while on its way to sniff out traps, or be useless and sniff out traps on the border.

What you could do is not make it a wolf, and make it something else so that it has range, meaning that it can get rid of traps without being hindered by defenses.

Also, how does it kill a trap that isn't a tesla? Does it detonate it automatically, or do the traps have HP?

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Thunder Falcon:

What is its range? If it is melee, it has nowhere near enough health - it has 20 HP per housing space, which would make it the lowest in the game. Does the shock ability have a cooldown? Also, what is the point of a defensive structure based special ability if it doesn't focus defenses?

If it was ranged, tankier and you go into the stun with a little more depth (ie cooldown), and perhaps even make it scale with level (i.e. level 1 has 1 second stun, level 2 has 1.5 seconds etc.) this could be a nice troop.
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Troll:

Why would you post such a "troll" idea...? :rolleyes:

Just kidding. Once again, it has quite a low HP per housing space for a melee troop (60). It also has a low base DPS per housing space (6). To make it on par with a barbarian, it needs to have 30 surrounding units, which seems slightly impractical...

Furthermore, a 1 tile rage radius is tiny, which makes it even harder to have 30 surrounding units.

I would increase the rage radius to something like 3 tiles, and increase the DPS gain from raging nearby units as well.

How would the rage interact with the rage spell? Would the rage spell overlap of would the stats increase additively or multiplicatively?

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New troops are NOT ruled out. You can't just rule out a troop based on its name - you can only rule it out by concept, which only two of the ruled out ideas point to:

*Troop carrier (Trojan horse-like) it moves on its own until damaged, then troops pop out
*Release a hero for every troop type (Some more may come eventually, but not EVERY troop)

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Originally Posted by SkyMage1001

Alchemist:

While the concept is really nice and unique, the fact that it is random makes it a bad troop. It could potentially weaken all troops in a raid, and noone would want that, so it would be better to not use this at all.

My suggestion is that it will always increase the the troop level (or decrease the defense level) by less than one, based on a ratio. For example, if the troop increase was something like this:

Level	Percentage to next level
1	50
2	75
3	100

and a level 1 Alchemist were to affect a level 3 PEKKA, the PEKKA would have 320DPS and 3750 HP, as that is halfway (50%) from level 3 to 4. If the troop is at max level, the "new" level would be calculated based on the two highest levels (eg. A level 6 PEKKA would have 420DPS and 5000 HP, as DPS and HP from level 5 - level 4 = level 6 - level 5, if that makes sense)

What this would achieve is consistency without overpowering troops. However, you don't have to follow my example - this is just a suggestion.
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Wolf:

The issue with this is that its HP is so low, that it needs to be covered with tanks. However, because people will need to get rid of traps inside of the base, it is very likely that it will either race ahead and die to other defenses while on its way to sniff out traps, or be useless and sniff out traps on the border.

What you could do is not make it a wolf, and make it something else so that it has range, meaning that it can get rid of traps without being hindered by defenses.

Also, how does it kill a trap that isn't a tesla? Does it detonate it automatically, or do the traps have HP?

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Thunder Falcon:

What is its range? If it is melee, it has nowhere near enough health - it has 20 HP per housing space, which would make it the lowest in the game. Does the shock ability have a cooldown? Also, what is the point of a defensive structure based special ability if it doesn't focus defenses?

If it was ranged, tankier and you go into the stun with a little more depth (ie cooldown), and perhaps even make it scale with level (i.e. level 1 has 1 second stun, level 2 has 1.5 seconds etc.) this could be a nice troop.
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Troll:

Why would you post such a "troll" idea...? :rolleyes:

Just kidding. Once again, it has quite a low HP per housing space for a melee troop (60). It also has a low base DPS per housing space (6). To make it on par with a barbarian, it needs to have 30 surrounding units, which seems slightly impractical...

Furthermore, a 1 tile rage radius is tiny, which makes it even harder to have 30 surrounding units.

I would increase the rage radius to something like 3 tiles, and increase the DPS gain from raging nearby units as well.

How would the rage interact with the rage spell? Would the rage spell overlap of would the stats increase additively or multiplicatively?



New troops are NOT ruled out. You can't just rule out a troop based on its name - you can only rule it out by concept, which only two of the ruled out ideas point to:

*Troop carrier (Trojan horse-like) it moves on its own until damaged, then troops pop out
*Release a hero for every troop type (Some more may come eventually, but not EVERY troop)

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Thanks for the reply, I'll edit the troops so they aren't too UP.

New Troops Type Requests:
* (MECHANICAL) Cannon, catapult, ballista, trebuchet, battering ram, minesweeper, pirate ship
* (UNITS) Ogre, assassin, scorcher, berserker, dark night hawk, sorcerer, sorceress, witch, cyclops, rogue, knight, elf, dead skeleton, war elephant, giant spider, wraith, baby dragon, phoenix, cavalry, falcon, priest, ninja, dog, blimp, marksman, samurai, gargoyle, gryphon, demon, ghost, serpent, slimer
* (COMBINATION/UNIQUE)
- Mole, digs underground
- General - can focus attackers to a specific building
- Wolf Rider - Archer on wolf, attacks until wolf perishes, then archer continues
- Paratrooper - deployed from above, can land anywhere and continue fighting
- Air based resource targeting unit
- Unit with both ranged and melee attack capabilities

Hi! These are the only core related ruled out troops i can find. These troops are still valid to discussion

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Originally Posted by miamiheat

New Troops Type Requests:
* (MECHANICAL) Cannon, catapult, ballista, trebuchet, battering ram, minesweeper, pirate ship
* (UNITS) Ogre, assassin, scorcher, berserker, dark night hawk, sorcerer, sorceress, witch, cyclops, rogue, knight, elf, dead skeleton, war elephant, giant spider, wraith, baby dragon, phoenix, cavalry, falcon, priest, ninja, dog, blimp, marksman, samurai, gargoyle, gryphon, demon, ghost, serpent, slimer
* (COMBINATION/UNIQUE)
- Mole, digs underground
- General - can focus attackers to a specific building
- Wolf Rider - Archer on wolf, attacks until wolf perishes, then archer continues
- Paratrooper - deployed from above, can land anywhere and continue fighting
- Air based resource targeting unit
- Unit with both ranged and melee attack capabilities

Hi! These are the only core related ruled out troops i can find. These troops are still valid to discussion

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Yes, these troops are valid.
Also that list isn't from the ruled-out section.

I like the troll as it's health changes from 2000 to 1250 in lvl 2 :p

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Originally Posted by Aayush1996

I like the troll as it's health changes from 2000 to 1250 in lvl 2 :p

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The troll's health at level 2 was meant to be 2250, I'll correct that mistake.

Remember to reply.

This is my idea not to take attention away from conversation but what do you guys think of a new hero a master wizard he can use his hands to summon an energy shield around troops 7-10 tiles. he can also have icecycle p

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Originally Posted by ninjaofire12

This is my idea not to take attention away from conversation but what do you guys think of a new hero a master wizard he can use his hands to summon an energy shield around troops 7-10 tiles. he can also have icecycle p

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Don't advertise your ideas on other thread.