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Because he is inactive? Sorry I'm not sure what you are trying to say
Ssshhhhhh.... let's keep this secret between us... ;)
My mini is in the exact same boat at the moment haha.. 20ish lvl 8 walls left to do, max elixar, elixar in pumps and war loot in my cc, needless to say when i go to TH9 ill have alot to spend 😉
Eww level 5 archers
Yeah because of this "great" idea all of us TH8s are sat on full elixir tanks from about 3 weeks into th8 with nothing to spend it on.
Well guess it keeps all the premmie TH 10s that whinged so much this change was reverted happy...
I just looked at this base. Someone (the OP?) sniped the TH and didn't raid ANY resources. Now the base has a 12 hour shield.
What an incredible waste.
Well the last update made loot more available especially for th9s and th10 not just collector raids but also storages. When th8 were able to upgrade walls with elixir I couldn't find a th8 base with over 100k in storage. Now it is really better
You guys do realize that most of the th9 and th10s went through the same thing, and we all found ways to use the elixir. You act like the walls could have been done this whole timeand that is was just taken away from you and only you. I'd have more sympathy if you didn't cry so much about it. You sound like a children have a temper tantrum.
Share some GoWiWi? :p
I wish we could donate resources. That guy is sitting on a ton with no use, yet I am sitting on 800K elixir training mass drag armies :(
That fact that you had too much elixir when you were a TH8 does not stop this being a problem, that is a very short sighted view. If there is a problem it should be fixed.
Up until TH7 gold and elixir are used at about the same rate. At TH8 there is vastly more gold needed than elixir so it becomes a problem here.
You found ways to use the elixir... Please enlighten us how you can spend elixir when there is nothing to spend it on?
I already train full dragon armies every time I log off.
PS personal attacks do not make you big or clever, or sound mature...
I don't see your point. Is it because otherwise he'd have the same amount of elixer available as he has gold? What's wrong with that? :confused:
You are correct that it is a problem for TH8s having lots of elixir and nothing to do with it. They tried to come up with a solution to this giving rise to the lix for walls update. Unfortunately this caused an even bigger problem for TH9s and 10s whereby they couldn't get enough elixir to complete their very costly troop upgrades and occasionally train an army. Therefore they rightly decided that having too little elixir for players was much worse than too much and brought out a compromise that limits walls with lix to the very highest levels.
I know it is very difficult to see the bigger picture when you are a TH8 but if you try you must accept that for the good of the game as a whole Supercell made the correct choice in reverting what was a mistake in the first place.
SJ most of the complaints about lack of elixir come from the TH10s sat in gold league killing TH8s. Not willing to attack THs of their own level.
This change does not effect any players that are attacking their own town hall level. Allowing Th8s to use elixir for walls would just stop it being hoovered up by TH9s who, you guessed it can just sink it into walls.
Well if you're not constantly attacking, try building mass dragon army, then scrap it and rebuild. Keeps your lix low and deters those pesky TH9/10 from raiding. I've used that tactic. I also use all three spells every attack. Until my lab becomes free I try and keep less than 500k in Elixir. Currently sitting on less than 300k.
Thanks for a very reasoned response SJ.
I completely agree elixir in to purples was a big mistake, I think putting them into skulls still should be available. Or TH8s are basically one big elixir pump for TH9s ;p
I think the solution to the lack of Elix at TH9 and 10 could be addressed further by increasing the league bonuses more to encourage people to play the game and try and win battles, rather than the current approach of bullying lower level THs for their loot.
All exilir upgrades out side the lab yes.
I am now finishing my archers towqers at 2.5 mill each and a build time of 5 days. So with 5 builders I need roughly 2.5 mill a day gold to keep them busy.
To keep my lab busy I need 3 million every 10 days (300k a day) this leaves me with an excess of 2.2 million elixir per day, you see any problem here?
Hehe, wow, that's a lot of elixir. I am very much similar, im just grinding skulls now getting ready for the jump. Keeping my elixir storages outside with a solid 400k available, log out for 5 seconds and get raided. Keeps my dark elixir very safe and I get a shield, and the attacker gets free trophies and lots of elixir, win win situation!
I wonder how people do it.In my time as a Th8 a never had excess of elixir.Maybe I planned my game better.I believe even level 9 walls should be available only with gold because they are relatively cheap.Level 10 and 11 is another matter.
Absolutely, I agree, if everybody did it all the time, but they don't. The percentage of players reading this forum is so low I doubt me saying it will have any impact whatsoever. In fact I'm certain you wont suddenly find everybody doing it. I was just sharing one tactic I use (temporarily while at the top end of TH8) that is within the 'rules' of the game and therefore perfectly acceptable.
Yeah, he is collecting his mines. It's an odd setup though. At this point in his TH8, he is nearly maxed. However, his base is not setup to emphasize one resource over the other. It's just one massive core, where raiders will hit storages that they don't need.
After they removed the elixir for walls in December, I had the opposite problem at th7. I never needed gold, so I never bothered saving it or upgrading the storage beyond 10 or mines beyond 8/9 . I sat all the gold storages and uncollected gold mines in the corner. I was hoping for free trophies. It was so worthless, that people ignored it after an hour. Eventually, I put a TH out there for people to snipe with gold. I kept having to break the shield to give away gold faster.
When I finally finished elixir upgrades for lab, barracks, de drill, de storage, I used the elixir for maxing gold storage and gold mines.
http://i.imgur.com/YvJUe8t.jpg?1
If you check my base today, I have maxed both gold and elixir storages to 4 million . I am trying to the gold mines upgrades, before I go to th8. I am sitting with max storages on my way to th8.
I run dragon armies. What I'm surprised with is I can actually keep full dragons and spells going for quite awhile. Trick to not getting raided is only keep one resource in quanity
Yes, I myself did my legos with gold/elixir mix.All elixir upgrades done long time ago except the jump spell to level 2 so I suppose If i Had to make walls only with gold I would have had excess of elixir which on the other hand is good for the economy(more elixir available to be stolen).
No reason for this to be a TH8 vs TH9+ thread b/c TH8s will become TH9s so this will benefit them one day. Also note that many people who have been playing a long time sat on full elixir storages for months at Th8 and the AGAIN at TH9 so don't act like we don't understand.
Update was reverted because now he can't use elixir so he has max elixir all the time he can only use it for training army up
I dont understand why you'd sit on capped elixir. You use gold to upgrade walls. Blow elixir on armies/spells. Keep big DE upgrades for last. Seems pretty natural progression.
Nobody is forced to stay at TH8 and do skulls, you can go to TH9. Plenty of things to spend lix on there. So long as you have a few skulls, you can then make use of the lix sink when you get there.
Stop talking common sense. :D:D The OP needs an outlet to vent.
Curious enough, he hasn't posted his own base. If he is hitting next 20-50 times to snipe townhalls, he may be nexting hundreds of bases each week. This is the only base that he can find and he doesn't post his own base. The OP's post shows nearly an equal amount of elixir and gold in his own storages. OP is townhall 9, so I am confused on his concern about the TH8 of another player unless all his owns walls are underleveled and can't use elixir. Hmmm....
It doesn't seem to be an issue.
Just need to work on none of the walls costing elixir now.
Very few TH8's are sitting on a large amount of elixir in the grand scheme of things. You can skip hundreds before finding one with swollen purple balls.
I did all my skulls before defenses. They are only 500k each. Man up and farm them with gold.
If the lix really bothers you then just put it next to your TH and make other players happy.
I have max defenses and max walls at TH9. Do you hear me complaining about all the gold I can't spend?
Instead I've put all my Gold storages outside and I'm offering 350k free gold on defense. That's the spirit!
That is very community minded of you Godzilla, but it does demonstrate the problem. If all TH8s at some point are going to be sat with full elixir storages, there should be a way of investing it in the base.
The same applies for you while i guess waiting for lab/hero upgrades there should be some thing you can usefully do with all your gold.
I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with the update. I was just showing the forumers who were complaining of low lix that now lix is back. My walls are level 7, skulls are easy. 500k is pretty cheap. I'd drooped low due to inactivity for a short while so was sniping back to my gold farming zone. On the way saw this
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10% cap on amount taken from storages.
Bash elix into skulls = less than 50k to steal. No difference in terms of viable target than doing 200k purples with lix.
Lv9 walls at 1 million, still leaves people able to show less than 100k elix available should they wish.
Thinking caps on kids.
Remember. Every grumpy response you see from a th9+ player.......we were th8s once.
Early starters had far fewer ways to learn about the game than you have now.
Enjoy the game. Most things work and make sense. Trust us.
Good answer Finch, it is just very frustrating continually having full elixir storages and knowing I will for at least the next month. Probably going to be 50 million elixir earned and wasted (and taken from the game so others can't use it) by me alone.
I feel that as most lab upgrades are 2-3 mill at th8 many people will still have large ammounts of elixir to be raided.
It just means that TH8s will not spend 2/3 of the time at this level sat on 6 million elixir. (Removing it from the game)
I think the problem comes about with the fact that at TH8 most gold items (cannons, arch towers and wiz towers) need 2 levels of upgrade, huge gold sinks. While there is much less to spend elixir on. Up to and including TH7 the gold and elixir are pretty balanced. At TH9 elixir can be pushed into walls so this just causes a problem for just for TH8s, which can easily be addressed.
Hit upgrade then. If your worried about losing 50 mill lix then go to th9 and spend it on Legos. Maxing everything is dumb if it means losing resources that you could otherwise spend.
What would you rather have in a months time:
1. A full set of skulls
2. 50 Legos and the rest skulls
I was making the point that not allowing TH8s to spend elixir on walls is not actually going to add much to the economy as there is nothing to spend it on we are going to be sat on max and having any we get when raiding disappear into the ether (this is no different to spending it).
I am going to move up to TH9 as soon as I have my lab upgrades done on at least most of my troops and my defences are maxed.
It adds EVERYTHING to the economy. Above you.
Forget about the comparitively small amount that disappears into the ether, and think about the 200-300k available youre showing to th9s.
Early th9s are incredibly lix hungry. Lv6 troops, camps and all that jazz, they need it.
When low lvl walls were around, there was little for th9s to steal. The bits they could find, soon as those early ugs were done, they could slap everything into neglected walls.
Which left ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for th10s to steal. Where the huge lix costs are.
I feel your frustration, because we all did it. But dont think its not helping, its making all the difference. Days/weeks/couple months of frustration for each individual, compared to a virtually broken game for the majority. Thats the true difference.
So, do you guys think that Elixir has returned even for Th10? Becuse most TH 9 and 10 can still put their E in walls. I wish they turned it back to gold only for all walls. As a pretty new th10 Gold is not a concern but I struggle to get Elixir enough for all upgrades.
Im a little bit confused here to be honest, to those TH8s like the poster quoted that deliberately dump lix just so they wont be raided, this seems like crazy behaviour to me. This lix is EXCESS that you dont need.. so why not let someone attack you for it? it does them a favour in letting them find some lix, and you a favour by removing it from your storages so that you have room for some more. If you are worried about getting seriously trampled, put the lix stores outside by your th, maybe that will deter people from bothering to 3 star you...
By all means build super duper armies over night and have some fun with them when you wake up, use the lix for that surely, build super duper troops to donate to your clannies, but dont deliberately waste it, that makes no sense to me at all... its that whole philosophy of "I can't have something so neither can you"
This is the reason I don't go out looking for snipes. I have in the past and found premium bases I don't find with a full army and then I kick myself for not being able to steal stuff. Don't raid without your army
and its our fault that YOU decide to sit around on TH8 with full elixir storages??? so what if you have nothing to spend it on....if u have that much of a problem about it then go to TH9 and do your lab and spell factory and start some troop & spell upgrades lol...
really I don't get the whining...when there were elixir walls for the lower lvl walls there was a ridiculous shortage of elixirs....now that the shortage doesn't exist so much anymore you guys are now complaining about sitting on full elixir storages? the nerve of some people....guess supercell just can't please some of you cry cry babies...yo at least you have full storages :-/
before elixir walls I farmed all my lava walls the old way by using gold ONLY and it took me over 7 months of a lot of sleepless nights..7 months I sat on full elixir storages...whose fault was that? yours? lol...silly kids and their whining
Excess elixir makes the game fun. You donate, war, raid with no regard to the cost. Lack of elixir makes the game awful to play. No one can donate, war, or raid. See how that works?
Sure, it is frustrating for that relatively small window at late TH8. That is a tiny amount of time compared to how long you will spend at TH9 and TH10. We all went through it. Managing your resources and upgrades is part of the game.
I just don't inderstand. If you have full elixir, why not use more spells in your farming comp? Or better yet, use a more expensive/effective farming comp? The spells add no extra time to what you are normally cooking, and you don't have to use them every raid.
Why not pump your clan full of donations and be the hero with a huge FIN number?
Sure, TH8 doesn't have a great elixir dump like TH9, but there are still plenty of ways to not have full storages.
With my mini, I have my purple balls sitting next to my TH when I want a snipe.
As it is camped in gold league this ensures a snipe within a short amount of time, whereas if I left just the TH out it could sit there for over an hour without anyone sniping it with the added likelihood of a TH9 coming and trampling all over the base taking gold, setting off traps and stealing DE.
TBH I know where the feeling of injustice comes from, to have the ability to upgrade them with elixir and then taking it away it just created resentment. I fully blame SuperCell for being so incredibly shortsighted and ignoring the few of us that repeatedly spelled out the issues that original switch would create. Then again I also see it from their point of view, anything like that not across the board would have created an avalanche of whinging from TH8's.
Allowing anyone with over a million elixir to dump into their walls is a long, long way from ideal. The next step is to remove the ability to upgrade level 9's with elixir.
The update to allow elixir to be used in walls was put in due to the continuous complaints of the TH9 and 10s about being sat on max elixir in the first place and how long walls took to farm. Many people including those now replying seem to forgot this.
As I stated in the thread further up it has never been tested seeing how allowing skulls and upwards to be built with elixir would work. Only the brief period where lvl7 and 8 walls were allowed.
TH7 and below have a very good balance of things to spend gold on and things to spend elixir on.
TH8 (in particular) and above all have many more items needing gold than elixir ( for TH8 110 million gold v 67 million elixir), not including walls. So 2/3 the amount.
With walls costing another 128 million gold to max (which I am not going to). This means assuming that gold and elixir are earned at about the same rate that TH8s have an excess of 171 million elixir, when only 67 million is need in total!
I seem to be the only one seeing this as a problem? Th8s should not be the only source of elixir for TH10s (TH9s can put it in walls). The problem needs to be solved by increasing league bonus. Not by using TH8s as elixir pumps for the TH9s.
Bingo. Throwing elixir outside with your TH will guarantee a fast attack, and usually only for the snipe.
So much whining from TH8s.
I agree that there is a big imbalance of resources. However, there are plenty of ways to dump elixir if you don't like being maxed.
I am farming with all dragon armies and 3 spells each raid, and am still sat on 4 mill elxir it is hard to spend. Will be up to 6 again as soon as I try and push for some more gold. This allows me to stay in masters to get my DE upgrades done which makes my elxlir problem even worse (but that is my choice and will not apply to all).
The numbers above show how much of a problem this is for TH8s. Using them as the only source of elixir for the higher levels is a crazy mechanic.
PS having run the numbers and seen how crazy this is, I will be moving up to TH9 to take advantage of the TH8s. As there is zero reason to play at TH8, very bad planning SC.
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...h-all-legos%29
I came up with this idea but only a few answered and they only made a question lol.
Their solution to the problem their first solution caused is just as bad. They should have removed it for every wall, or fixed the system for which walls are allowed to be upgraded using elixir, so that it cannot break the economy at higher THs. The current revert still screws over TH10s, as every TH9 can dump all their unneeded elixir, with a staggering 1:5 to 1:8 ratio of gold to elixir. That's a problem. All this revert did was remove the ability for TH7/8s from being able to cause the economical problems, while allowing TH9/10s to continue to break the economy for TH10s.
Honestly skull walls are easy I doubt they did anything.
I am th7 in gold 1-3 league all i found is my gold storage max out an always and my elixer is not even 1/4 full. i am just farming for elixer and letting all the extra gold get to drain, just a few raid out from gold grabber 3 star achievement. what i want is more source of elixer. Mines and collector are pretty useless i have all of them at level 5 the time it cost to upgrade the is not worth its value, if they have been like walls get instantly upgraded i would have done so
May I ask what your gold and elixir storage capacities are at currently, along with your gold grab to elixir grab numbers? And knowing what level all your walls are at would help as well, the numbers behind your problem seem off, as there is a substantially higher need for gold than elixir requirements at TH7.
its not only off for me but many other th7 too
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my base
reason my gold is not maxed out is because of the Tesla and i didn't went for farming today. and the elixir will soon be used to upgrade my 2nd barrack to dragon level and for loons lv4 research. then all i will have is zero elixir
http://i.imgur.com/HOCJPot.jpg
What you provided me doesn't support your claim. You have a higher gold storage than elixir storage, your farming ratio is pretty even (9:7) and would reflect consistently with your storage capacity assuming you've been keeping the ratio of their levels similar in the past as well. And you have nearly capped elixir right now, nowhere near the barely 1/4th that you claimed. This just seems like how I was at TH7 on both my accounts, and really I see no addressable problems.
If you're satisfied with your barracks progress, maybe head to TH8 so you can start working on your skull walls with the excess gold you have? You'll have a use for that elixir as well, with lvl 5 troops and oil drills/storage upgrades.
I would be more than happy to relieve him of the burden of his Elixir anytime, anywhere.
Did you take all of it? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I dont get it, as a maxxed th8 upgrade 25 walls to lv 8. Then upgrade your th to lv 9. By just upgrading 25 walls you are able to drop 100 mil worth of elixer into walls. And lots and lots of other things. My tip, dont stay to long th8, upgrade to th9 and have a blast!!!
I suppose it's possible that with all the updates there have been over the months that TH8 has become a bit more imbalanced, and so carrying more gold upgrades than it used to? An extra mortar for example.
So the solution is to add in more elixir upgrades to TH8. Simple.
I suggest level 4 pekkas. :D
Yes, what you are explaining is how the wall revert did absolutely nothing to stop the elixir drought for TH10 players. TH9s can dump elixir out of their storages at a ratio of 500k gold to 4M elixir if they only have purple walls, and 700k gold to 4M elixir if they have just pink walls.
It's still broken, and I am totally baffled at how some people are pushing against a simple solution which others have posted about how to fix the system entirely, which would even allow every level of wall to be upgraded using both resources, without the economy dipping a bit from before elixir for walls.