And people wonder why the wall update was reverted

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Originally Posted by TheRealScott

This is the reason I don't go out looking for snipes. I have in the past and found premium bases I don't find with a full army and then I kick myself for not being able to steal stuff. Don't raid without your army

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Was going to post this and saw this. When I first started I made this mistake and the first time I came across an awesome village like this with maxed collectors/storages and not enough troops I learned my lesson. Part of me is torn because I could, conceivably, be missing out on snipes while waiting for all my troops to cook, but then there's situations like this where I have easy loot for a full raiding party and have to either snipe or pass.

I haven't run the numbers, but I suspect waiting is more profitable than not. If your goal is trophies though, I could see running with a minimal army being reasonable..

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

He took those screenshots down with a quickness. Thankful they were already sent to Supercell for review of the use of an exploit.

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The days after this update were some of my best as a TH8. Not having to worry about elixir meant that I could use giants, loons or try out gowipe just for fun or practice. Or donate wizards and dragons. Honestly, if having full elixir storages makes you so unhappy, just go to TH9 so you have extra elixir dump.

Also, if TH8 do not have a decent amount of elixir, how are TH9 supposed to get their 6m elixir upgrades? I remember my days as a new TH8 and how frustrating it was to try and get 3m elixir for my dragons. Oh, and no farming armies except barch either :mad:

Removal of elixir for lvl 8 walls was a great decision!

EDIT: Just to make it clear, I am not addressing the OP.

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Originally Posted by arunt

Also, if TH8 do not have a decent amount of elixir, how are TH9 supposed to get their 6m elixir upgrades? I remember my days as a new TH8 and how frustrating it was to try and get 3m elixir for my dragons. Oh, and no farming armies except barch either :mad:

Removal of elixir for lvl 8 walls was a great decision!

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If TH9 do not have a decent amount of elixir, how are TH10 supposed to get their 7m+ elixir upgrades? I remember how bad it was for my TH9 account to farm during those 3 months where it was allowed from lvl 7-8 walls, and I continue to see how bad it is for my TH10 account b/c them removing it for lvl 7-8 walls did nothing to stop TH9s from dumping their unneeded elixir into walls. Do you see how TH9s saying this fix was the correct move is just as short-sighted as TH8s who say that they should have elixir for walls at their level? It isn't sustainable for higher level THs, and when/if TH11 comes out it will be made even more apparent how bad this "fix" was.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

If TH9 do not have a decent amount of elixir, how are TH10 supposed to get their 7m+ elixir upgrades? I remember how bad it was for my TH9 account to farm during those 3 months where it was allowed from lvl 7-8 walls, and I continue to see how bad it is for my TH10 account b/c them removing it for lvl 7-8 walls did nothing to stop TH9s from dumping their unneeded elixir into walls. Do you see how TH9s saying this fix was the correct move is just as short-sighted as TH8s who say that they should have elixir for walls at their level? It isn't sustainable for higher level THs, and when/if TH11 comes out it will be made even more apparent how bad this "fix" was.

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I would be perfectly fine with the option being restricted to just lvl 10 walls and above. Or even being removed altogether. I value being able to use armies other than barch all the time more than an elixir dump.

Lvl 9 walls are less of a problem, however, because if someone has nearly 1 million elixir, you can get nearly 100k elixir from it. Add in the loot bonuses and you can use giants profitably.

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Originally Posted by arunt

I would be perfectly fine with the option being restricted to just lvl 10 walls and above. Or even being removed altogether. I value being able to use armies other than barch all the time more than an elixir dump.

Lvl 9 walls are less of a problem, however, because if someone has nearly 1 million elixir, you can get nearly 100k elixir from it. Add in the loot bonuses and you can use giants profitably.

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Have you ever tried getting every single storage from even a premmie TH9, let alone a TH10 for that matter? 100k elixir from a TH9/10 is by no means able to be profitable, given the types of troops and number of spells you need to acquire it all.

And further restricting the option to a higher wall level doesn't solve the problem, that's exactly what I'm trying to illustrate. What about when TH11 comes out? Are they going to remove it for lvl 9 and 10 walls? It's ridiculous for players to not see the pattern here. Look at how lazy and foolish this revert was, especially when a solution is staring them right in the face. Placing a minimum threshold would allow for ever single level of walls to be upgraded with elixir, and not allow for players to cripple the economy by simply dumping all their elixir into walls either.

I also liked being able to use troops other than BArch and BAM all the time, but this same problem that existed for TH9/10s when TH7-10s were allowed to do elixir for walls with no restrictions continues for TH10s now that TH9/10s can continue to do so.

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Originally Posted by GoWiWi

http://i.imgur.com/R4ojzZj.jpg

I'll let the pic speak

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I've herd TH8s and 7s say they are completely full. But since the patch I haven't seen it once. Strange cause I've seen thousands of maxed 8s and 7s. Seems they have found a use for elixer.
I'm a TH 9 so raiding 8s is my job.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Have you ever tried getting every single storage from even a premmie TH9, let alone a TH10 for that matter? 100k elixir from a TH9/10 is by no means able to be profitable, given the types of troops and number of spells you need to acquire it all.

And further restricting the option to a higher wall level doesn't solve the problem, that's exactly what I'm trying to illustrate. What about when TH11 comes out? Are they going to remove it for lvl 9 and 10 walls? It's ridiculous for players to not see the pattern here. Look at how lazy and foolish this revert was, especially when a solution is staring them right in the face. Placing a minimum threshold would allow for ever single level of walls to be upgraded with elixir, and not allow for players to cripple the economy by simply dumping all their elixir into walls either.

I also liked being able to use troops other than BArch and BAM all the time, but this same problem that existed for TH9/10s when TH7-10s were allowed to do elixir for walls with no restrictions continues for TH10s now that TH9/10s can continue to do so.

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I did not mean profitable in elixir. But you will get the gold/DE that you attacked that base for, a good amount of the elixir available and adding in the loot bonus, elixir should be mostly recovered. The profit will be in gold or DE. I don't know if this will work for TH10 but it does seem to be the case for me as a brand new TH9.

That said, I do agree that your solution is the better one. But absent that, if I had to choose between elixir for walls and no elixir for walls, I would go with the latter. Shortage of elixir just makes the game a chore. I was close to quitting when the elixir dried up, to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Have you ever tried getting every single storage from even a premmie TH9, let alone a TH10 for that matter? 100k elixir from a TH9/10 is by no means able to be profitable, given the types of troops and number of spells you need to acquire it all.

And further restricting the option to a higher wall level doesn't solve the problem, that's exactly what I'm trying to illustrate. What about when TH11 comes out? Are they going to remove it for lvl 9 and 10 walls? It's ridiculous for players to not see the pattern here. Look at how lazy and foolish this revert was, especially when a solution is staring them right in the face. Placing a minimum threshold would allow for ever single level of walls to be upgraded with elixir, and not allow for players to cripple the economy by simply dumping all their elixir into walls either.

I also liked being able to use troops other than BArch and BAM all the time, but this same problem that existed for TH9/10s when TH7-10s were allowed to do elixir for walls with no restrictions continues for TH10s now that TH9/10s can continue to do so.

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While your arguement is completely valid,

th 9's/10s who max walls are a rare breed, maybe not in this forum, or on the leaderboard.. but i bet its a rather small percentage of the total townhall 9/10s

At that point of commitment I think it makes sense to be able to build walls with elixer rather than have millions/billions of farmed elixer go to waste

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Originally Posted by arunt

I did not mean profitable in elixir. But you will get the gold/DE that you attacked that base for, a good amount of the elixir available and adding in the loot bonus, elixir should be mostly recovered. The profit will be in gold or DE. I don't know if this will work for TH10 but it does seem to be the case for me as a brand new TH9.

That said, I do agree that your solution is the better one. But absent that, if I had to choose between elixir for walls and no elixir for walls, I would go with the latter. Shortage of elixir just makes the game a chore. I was close to quitting when the elixir dried up, to be honest.

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Oh brother you're telling me. It was absolutely miserable, for both my TH9 and TH10. An excess of elixir is hardly a problem compared to a shortage of it. But now on my TH10 I still have the woes of this revert not fixing the problem that it plagued TH9s and even TH8s to a small extent from the initial release. I actually did quit, my clan that is. People I had been playing with since mid January 2014, and after 9 months I had to leave so as not to be a burden in clan wars b/c I simply could not progress/farm anymore. This was purely due to the elixir for walls debacle. There are so many others who have been posting during the September update who did the same, it's insane how poorly thought out this update was.

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Originally Posted by clebo13

While your arguement is completely valid,

th 9's/10s who max walls are a rare breed, maybe not in this forum, or on the leaderboard.. but i bet its a rather small percentage of the total townhall 9/10s

At that point of commitment I think it makes sense to be able to build walls with elixer rather than have millions/billions of farmed elixer go to waste

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It's not that they need to have maxed walls as a TH9/10, it's that once they finish those few big ticket elixir upgrades, they can dump all their unneeded elixir out of the game at a staggeringly broken ratio to gold, even if they don't have skull walls. With 500k gold and 4M unused elixir, a TH9 with purple walls can upgrade a piece to lava. That's a 1:8 ratio, and allows for elixir to continue to get totally wiped out of the system. It's exploitable and a solution is there which allows players to both use elixir to upgrade any level of wall, while also keeping the economy untouched as if the update was never put in place to begin with.

Read up on it if you wish (and there are many others just like this that have been made as well since then/probably before this one too)

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...r-Walls-System

It doesn't need to be completely removed, it just needs Supercell developers to take even 30 minutes to discuss a more responsible way to implement the elixir for walls system.