Building Higher Levels Walls For Free, But Requires Building Time.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

True, but's how it's been since the game started.

When I first started playing the game, I remember reading "beginner guides" that recommended dumping excess gold into walls, and "banking" elixir by queuing up expensive troops in the barracks. That's just how the game was and always has been. You could basically dump most of your gold, depending on what level walls you had available to upgrade. And you could hide a substantial amount of elixir. For a high level town hall, it's not enough elixir for a major upgrade, but at least enough to fund a minor upgrade or pay for a clan war army. And for a TH4 or TH5, it really could be enough for a major upgrade.

So I'm not looking to change how gold is spent on walls. I'm just looking for a way to make elixir walls available without ruining the whole economy for TH9's and TH10's. My preferred method is to set a reserve (Goobers has a thread on that topic). My next preference is to make elixir walls more expensive than gold (see for example this post). Someone had a suggestion to make level 9 walls available at TH8, and I think that idea has merit as well. I don't know how much that will disrupt the balance between TH7's and TH8's, or the balance between TH8's and TH9's, but I assume the disruption, if any, will be limited in scope, simply because so few players bother to max walls before upgrading.

And in the current thread, I don't think time-only walls are a good idea. But maybe adding a moderate time penalty to elixir walls (a hybrid approach) might be a good idea. It's at least worth tossing the idea around. So I put it out there. If the idea sucks, it sucks, but I wanted to at least toss it out for discussion.

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i know but if elixir can't why not gold
what you say like
i can do it and other can
elixir and gold should be given same treatment so if anyone suggest about caps reserve for elixir then why gold is not capped too dont jugde a thing and b thing with different view look them as equal

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Originally Posted by AlvinSoehendryWijaya

i know but if elixir can't why not gold
what you say like
i can do it and other can
elixir and gold should be given same treatment so if anyone suggest about caps reserve for elixir then why gold is not capped too dont jugde a thing and b thing with different view look them as equal

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Well, except they're not equal. Name one thing you can buy with either gold or elixir, other than walls (L9 and higher currently).

You can only buy troops with elixir (or dark elixr). You can only re-arm traps with gold. You can only upgrade barracks with elixir. You can only upgrade defenses with gold. And so on.

They're not equal. One of the worst things about the elixir walls was that the price was the same for elixir as for gold.

Making walls cost the same elixir as gold, and making the reserve the same for both, will only further justify the calls for people to be able to exchange one resource for the other, since "they're basically equal anyway". No, they're not equal! They are two different resources. If Supercell wanted the economy to be based on one resource, they would have made it with just one resource!

The whole point of having two resources is to force people to learn to manage their resources effectively. If you can just upgrade walls (about 80% of the upgrade costs at TH9 and TH10) with either resource, then why bother managing resources at all???

The more I think about it, the more I am against the unrestricted use of elixir for walls at ANY level.

But to help ease the grind at high levels, I am in favor of allowing it with some sort of restrictions (like Goobers' suggestion of a reserve, or my suggestion of a higher elixir price, or locking up a builder, etc.).

Great idea!

This idea is great! 👍

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Originally Posted by Xitra

I propose a compromise.

People are complaining about the elixir walls. No, I'm not talking about the people that are complaining that Supercell took away the elixir walls for TH7's and TH8's.

I'm referring to the people who think that even L9 walls should cost gold only. Some think that ALL walls should be gold-only.

There are various reasons for not wanting people to upgrade walls with elixir. The main argument I've heard is that it allows players to dump elixir out of the economy.

So, here's the compromise:
All walls can be bought with gold or with elixir, at any level.

But, walls bought with gold are instant. Walls bought with elixir take time. I don't know how much time is fair, but it needs to be long enough to slow the rate at which players can dump elixir out of the economy. My first thought was something like this:

L4 (iron) : 15 minutes
L5 (butter) : 30 minutes
L6 (pinks) : 1 hour
L7 (purples) : 2 hours
L8 (skulls) : 4 hours
L9 (legos) : 8 hours
L10 (lavas) : 16 hours
L11 (zaps) : 1 day

Dumping elixir at L5 and below won't really impact the economy much (imho), because elixir is needed just as much as gold at low TH levels, if not more. The time aspect is mainly a way to deter a player from upgrading 20 walls at once, which they would probably regret later anyway.

Using 8 hours per million as a rough guide, an active player could dump about 2M elixir per day into walls with just one free builder. With 2 free builders, you could dump elixir twice as fast.

Note that L10 walls cost 3x the elixir as L9 walls, but I purposefully made them only 2x the build time. This would incentivize saving up for the L10 wall, which in turn would mean more raidable loot if the player logged off.

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Still a better system than what we currently have, I like it.

Might incentivise players to not to raid as often (basically become less active) if they only have walls left to do, but on the other hand they are then missing out on farming gold that they could be dumping into walls as well. Obviously not all bases hold identical levels of gold and elixir, but on a macro scale I would assume that the economy generates equal levels of gold and elixir based on collectors/league bonuses. So if you tried farming only bases with high levels of gold while your elixir wall builders are busy, to keep your elixir low, you could do that--but you are leaving bases that have loads of elixir available for others to hit.

It lessens the overall value of elixir for established bases yet again, but not nearly to the extent that it is essentially useless (what is currently happening at TH7/8). There there is still incentive to farm up enough to keep builders busy, which will allow higher TH levels the chance to hit them for their stores.

Way to think outside the box and use the OP's idea to think of a practical solution for upgrading with elixir. +1

i think the time should be reduced slightly, never the less awesome idea.

About elixir walls, I think they are fine the way it is.

I think they should add wall achievements
gained x walls at level x and above

come on SC walls needs a new update

Don't like this idea, encourages inactivity to some extent. As you don't need to cough up resources for upgrades.

I think the absolute opposite - walls should cost loot but not require a builder since it's an instant build. I would get a lot more done on my base if I didn't try to manage builders and keep one relatively free to do walls. Nice to see an original post in forums, though :)