Building Higher Levels Walls For Free, But Requires Building Time.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

I like this original idea. I couldn't find much that SC would object to, but I did think of one thing.

Everything that SC does, they always try to maximize user time spent logged in and actively playing the game.

If this idea were implemented, people with max defenses could simply go into lazy slow mode and upgrade their walls this way. They don't have to play the game anymore essentially, and still upgrade walls (albeit at a snail's pace).

A huge part of SC's success is keeping people addicted to this game. That means maximizing online time, keeping players engaged and giving them lots to do and not be bored of. Much like a casino with their bright lights and enticing sounds and no visible clocks and pumping oxygen into the rooms........ they want to keep people distracted and spending.

That was all I could think of. I do like the idea, especially since it's an OPTION to upgrade walls, and the conventional method would still exist.

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Yeah this is the main thing I could see as a deterrent to doing it. But from the players' perspective, there really isn't anything wrong with the idea (or at least not glaringly obvious to me currently). However time not spent grinding/farming out those walls is time that can never be spent boosting barracks or purchasing gems in some fashion, which is absolutely what Supercell doesn't want.

If they shut it down for that reason I'd completely understand where they're coming from, and if they pushed it through I would probably take advantage of it on my TH10, who I barely play on anymore due to the bigger problem that is the way the elixir for walls are currently handled.

I like the idea, but there needs to be a limit. You could only do it with one free builder at a time.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

I like this original idea. I couldn't find much that SC would object to, but I did think of one thing.

Everything that SC does, they always try to maximize user time spent logged in and actively playing the game.

If this idea were implemented, people with max defenses could simply go into lazy slow mode and upgrade their walls this way. They don't have to play the game anymore essentially, and still upgrade walls (albeit at a snail's pace).

Eventually, they would realize it's getting them almost nowhere and all this time they haven't been playing the game and found more entertaining things like going outside and playing sports, or playing a different game, or binge eating.

A huge part of SC's success is keeping people addicted to this game. That means maximizing online time, keeping players engaged and giving them lots to do and not be bored of. Much like a casino with their bright lights and enticing sounds and no visible clocks and pumping oxygen into the rooms........ they want to keep people distracted and spending.

That was all I could think of. I do like the idea, especially since it's an OPTION to upgrade walls, and the conventional method would still exist.

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I propose a compromise.

People are complaining about the elixir walls. No, I'm not talking about the people that are complaining that Supercell took away the elixir walls for TH7's and TH8's.

I'm referring to the people who think that even L9 walls should cost gold only. Some think that ALL walls should be gold-only.

There are various reasons for not wanting people to upgrade walls with elixir. The main argument I've heard is that it allows players to dump elixir out of the economy.

So, here's the compromise:
All walls can be bought with gold or with elixir, at any level.

But, walls bought with gold are instant. Walls bought with elixir take time. I don't know how much time is fair, but it needs to be long enough to slow the rate at which players can dump elixir out of the economy. My first thought was something like this:

L4 (iron) : 15 minutes
L5 (butter) : 30 minutes
L6 (pinks) : 1 hour
L7 (purples) : 2 hours
L8 (skulls) : 4 hours
L9 (legos) : 8 hours
L10 (lavas) : 16 hours
L11 (zaps) : 1 day

Dumping elixir at L5 and below won't really impact the economy much (imho), because elixir is needed just as much as gold at low TH levels, if not more. The time aspect is mainly a way to deter a player from upgrading 20 walls at once, which they would probably regret later anyway.

Using 8 hours per million as a rough guide, an active player could dump about 2M elixir per day into walls with just one free builder. With 2 free builders, you could dump elixir twice as fast.

Note that L10 walls cost 3x the elixir as L9 walls, but I purposefully made them only 2x the build time. This would incentivize saving up for the L10 wall, which in turn would mean more raidable loot if the player logged off.

Yeah...Im not spending a few years trying to upgrade walls.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

I propose a compromise.

People are complaining about the elixir walls. No, I'm not talking about the people that are complaining that Supercell took away the elixir walls for TH7's and TH8's.

I'm referring to the people who think that even L9 walls should cost gold only. Some think that ALL walls should be gold-only.

There are various reasons for not wanting people to upgrade walls with elixir. The main argument I've heard is that it allows players to dump elixir out of the economy.

So, here's the compromise:
All walls can be bought with gold or with elixir, at any level.

But, walls bought with gold are instant. Walls bought with elixir take time. I don't know how much time is fair, but it needs to be long enough to slow the rate at which players can dump elixir out of the economy. My first thought was something like this:

L4 (iron) : 15 minutes
L5 (butter) : 30 minutes
L6 (pinks) : 1 hour
L7 (purples) : 2 hours
L8 (skulls) : 4 hours
L9 (legos) : 8 hours
L10 (lavas) : 16 hours
L11 (zaps) : 1 day

Dumping elixir at L5 and below won't really impact the economy much (imho), because elixir is needed just as much as gold at low TH levels, if not more. The time aspect is mainly a way to deter a player from upgrading 20 walls at once, which they would probably regret later anyway.

Using 8 hours per million as a rough guide, an active player could dump about 2M elixir per day into walls with just one free builder. With 2 free builders, you could dump elixir twice as fast.

Note that L10 walls cost 3x the elixir as L9 walls, but I purposefully made them only 2x the build time. This would incentivize saving up for the L10 wall, which in turn would mean more raidable loot if the player logged off.

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I suggest gold wall too
why
bcoz people still dump gold on wall or upgrade

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Originally Posted by Thekiller

Yeah...Im not spending a few years trying to upgrade walls.

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read the thread.

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Originally Posted by butoijo

Bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad IDEA....

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Thanks for the constructive feedback.

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Originally Posted by EvilRayquaza

yeah.... no, horrible idea
I ain't waiting that many days if I want to max my base completely without gems.
It would be impossible to completely max a base without gems if this was the case.
Game would die off = SC disabling the Clash servers = no playing clash

I get the feeling this is a troll thread, what sane person would want such a thing

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What you said doesn't make any sense. This is not taking anything away from the game. You would still max your base completely for for free. He did say the 'option' to do it.

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Originally Posted by Blueiron

12 days for 1 wall - i guess you love spending money on the game :P

this is what i like to call 'good in theory, but not in practice'

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It would work for me, I don't have a lot of time to play, and being able to upgrade something would keep me interested in the game. What does the idea have to do with spending money on a game? It would give you another option, it wouldn't take a way any existing ones.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

I'm not sure why people are in love with this one.

It's a unique idea, but it's not good. Who wants to spend 15 years upgrading walls? That doesn't even make sense.

People should be able to upgrade walls as fast as they can earn the loot for them. As it is most people will not even come close. Your idea would ensure no one does unless they spend a boatload of gems on them.

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They would still be able to upgrade walls as fast as they want to. Again, this would not take away any options, only add new ones.

I think this is a great idea. I can't see SC losing any money over this. People who gem the gold for their walls usually do it all in one day, they wouldn't gem all of their walls but 5 and then wait two weeks. And it means that people who don't attack much have something for their builders to do.

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Originally Posted by AlvinSoehendryWijaya

I suggest gold wall too
why
bcoz people still dump gold on wall or upgrade

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True, but's how it's been since the game started.

When I first started playing the game, I remember reading "beginner guides" that recommended dumping excess gold into walls, and "banking" elixir by queuing up expensive troops in the barracks. That's just how the game was and always has been. You could basically dump most of your gold, depending on what level walls you had available to upgrade. And you could hide a substantial amount of elixir. For a high level town hall, it's not enough elixir for a major upgrade, but at least enough to fund a minor upgrade or pay for a clan war army. And for a TH4 or TH5, it really could be enough for a major upgrade.

So I'm not looking to change how gold is spent on walls. I'm just looking for a way to make elixir walls available without ruining the whole economy for TH9's and TH10's. My preferred method is to set a reserve (Goobers has a thread on that topic). My next preference is to make elixir walls more expensive than gold (see for example this post). Someone had a suggestion to make level 9 walls available at TH8, and I think that idea has merit as well. I don't know how much that will disrupt the balance between TH7's and TH8's, or the balance between TH8's and TH9's, but I assume the disruption, if any, will be limited in scope, simply because so few players bother to max walls before upgrading.

And in the current thread, I don't think time-only walls are a good idea. But maybe adding a moderate time penalty to elixir walls (a hybrid approach) might be a good idea. It's at least worth tossing the idea around. So I put it out there. If the idea sucks, it sucks, but I wanted to at least toss it out for discussion.

It's a great idea but it should star at lvl 6 and be a lot less time than you suggested.

I think this could actually increase gem usage. I am assuming a person that runs out of patience of a section can gem it to finish fast, and that this choice would be made often or at least however many times people decide they cant wait 15 years.

And also If I understand you can still do it instantly for the existing cost. They can price it so that to decide to take the free road then change mind spends a little more than