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Originally Posted by Juztin86

That makes zero since to the issue im having, why would we continue attacking a base that we've already got 3 stars on, just to take loot from a fellow member, it serves no purpose. I'm very aware of the rules and how clan wars work. It's sad that you would attack a base after a fellow member had already completely defeated it. Again what's the point?

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Once again, you definitely are not aware of the rules and do not have a complete understanding of how Clan Wars work, because you keep making statements that aren't true. Please, save yourself some time and aggravation, and read the FAQ from beginning to end.

You do not take loot away from a fellow member for attacking a target that you've already got 3 stars on. Both members get the exact same loot. Every member who hits that target and gets a star gets loot.

Just go read the FAQ and you'll see why it makes absolutely no sense for your members to sit on their hands and not attack in war. There is no justification for it whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by SharkyFinn

No matter what way you slice it, I completely disagree with the notion that a clan who has players who quit should be the victor.

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Nobody quit buddy, and we've all been playing long enough to know what is possible, you can not attack a fully groomed th8 with a th6, no matter how hard you try, it'll back fire, so if that base already had 2of3 stars, you really expect the lower clan member to be able to accomplish what their higher clan member couldn't, again not giving up, it's called common sense. Apparently you like talking to people like little kids and being as disrespectful as you can be, so honestly from this point forward your replies will be just for the sake of you getting to run your mouth, for everyone else and their respectable opinions, thanks again.

And yes, in the past I've attacked higher ranked opponents because i had the means to do so, but that is a rare occasion. It's not about us pushing ourselves, anyone who has played very long knows the possibilities of they're own base, no matter how hard you squeeze, there's only so much juice!

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Originally Posted by SharkyFinn

Once again, you definitely are not aware of the rules and do not have a complete understanding of how Clan Wars work, because you keep making statements that aren't true. Please, save yourself some time and aggravation, and read the FAQ from beginning to end.

You do not take loot away from a fellow member for attacking a target that you've already got 3 stars on. Both members get the exact same loot. Every member who hits that target and gets a star gets loot.

Just go read the FAQ and you'll see why it makes absolutely no sense for your members to sit on their hands and not attack in war. There is no justification for it whatsoever.

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This is not about loot. This has to do with stars and number of attacks. I never once said anything about loot.

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Originally Posted by Juztin86

That makes zero since to the issue im having, why would we continue attacking a base that we've already got 3 stars on, just to take loot from a fellow member, it serves no purpose.

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Originally Posted by SharkyFinn

You do not take loot away from a fellow member for attacking a target that you've already got 3 stars on. Both members get the exact same loot. Every member who hits that target and gets a star gets loot.

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Originally Posted by Juztin86

I never once said anything about loot.

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Why do I feel like I'm talking to three different people sharing the same forum account? Never mind, I don't really care how you do or what you understand. They're not going to implement the suggestion you made and it's in the wrong place anyways.

Those replies to loot, were just that, replies. I never brought up any issue about loot. Why do i feel like I'm talking to someone that is not really getting what this war issue in the war section of the forum, is really about!

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Originally Posted by Juztin86

How it is even possible so many times is beyond me, but my clan has had several draws after war. The issue i have with the draw system is that right below the score the number of attacks is also kept track of, which in my opinion should have an equal, if not a scale tipping effect on the outcome of the victory. So far every time we've had a draw, we were able to get the same score as our opponents with far fewer attacks. Thanks for your time and consideration, great game! Okk!

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This would not work, because then someone can come here and say that they want the draw to be decided based on Average Destruction. I prefer average destruction, because who cares how many attacks it took them. What if both clans did 2* on every opponent, but one side barely made 50%, where the other side was at constant 80-99%. There are couple of those statistics you speak of, so it will be hard to be based on that.

The only time I can see this works, meaning using a formula to decide who wins a draw is at max starts. Let's say both clans 3* all their opponents (just a theory), so some sort of formula based maybe on time it took to get the 3* can decide the winner of the war.

I think you have the same problem as me, except you are in better position. We mostly loose our wars, because we are only 4, maybe sometimes 5 active players in wars and all of us active ones are TH8. We also have 2 TH10s and 1 TH9, which hardly ever participate in wars, yet we get opponents of same TH level we TH8s cannot attack. So you have two choices, either accept it as it is, participate in wars for fun and becoming better attacker, or clean up your clan and invite active war members.

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Originally Posted by petio1981

This would not work, because then someone can come here and say that they want the draw to be decided based on Average Destruction. I prefer average destruction, because who cares how many attacks it took them. What if both clans did 2* on every opponent, but one side barely made 50%, where the other side was at constant 80-99%. There are couple of those statistics you speak of, so it will be hard to be based on that.

The only time I can see this works, meaning using a formula to decide who wins a draw is at max starts. Let's say both clans 3* all their opponents (just a theory), so some sort of formula based maybe on time it took to get the 3* can decide the winner of the war.

I think you have the same problem as me, except you are in better position. We mostly loose our wars, because we are only 4, maybe sometimes 5 active players in wars and all of us active ones are TH8. We also have 2 TH10s and 1 TH9, which hardly ever participate in wars, yet we get opponents of same TH level we TH8s cannot attack. So you have two choices, either accept it as it is, participate in wars for fun and becoming better attacker, or clean up your clan and invite active war members.

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Thank you for responding like an adult, some people on here like to try attack someone with a question as if they know the exact scenario on which the basis of their question originated. We don't have quitters, most times at most we have 1 or 2 that can't participate that war, but not normally top players, that hurts too much. I agree with your point that there are also other determining factors in defeating a base, and i can see how in most cases destruction should be considered over something like #attacks made. Since opinions greatly differ from one person to the other, it would be hard to make everyone agree on a draw breaking statistic. That being said, scratch the idea that anything less than a prefect draw could be anything but a draw. Back to an actual case, we have had a draw (only once) where both clans maxed out at 30 stars, however we accomplished this in far fewer attacks, i still believe without a doubt that in rare situations like this there should be some type of performance tipping statistic, and since everything else would equally be 100%, the only thing left would be how many attacks it took you to get there. Thanks again for having a normal debate, that's how issues are resolved and unseen conflicts are discovered, instead of just saying that's wrong read the faqs, I'm aware that the rules of war are not written like this, that's why I'm here!

I believe a draw should be a draw. There are numerous other stats that are possible to use as tiebreakers but I believe they all have flaws

Least Attacks: People should not be discouraged from attacking so even if our bottom player will likely not 3 star any of their players we still want them to attack, try new things, learn, get some loot

Most Attacks: This one shows better participation from the clan but war should be based on results not participation

Average Destruction: Again prone to the problem of discouraging people from attacking since it would bring down the average on a bad attack. If there was an average damage just based on the best attack on a base it would be a better tie breaker

Time of attack: People shouldn't be encouraged to give up after 2 stars is achieved just to shorten the raid, go for more percentage, go for a 3 star even if unlikely

Number of 3 stars: It favors different style of warring (cleaning low instead of getting less stars on equals

I'm sure there are others but just like people complain about stars being the way wars are decided there are issues with all the stats as tiebreakers. Plus a tie doesn't hurt amyone and happen fairly rarely so I don't see why a tiebreaker is needed, if the clans are equal then their equal.

Comment on loot (totally aside from the thread)
-Everyone who gets a star on a base gets the same amount of loot even if its already been 3 starred. So even if people have no chance of getting an additional star they still attack in our clan to practice attacking and to gain the loot from defeating a tougher base then they would normally go after for 3 stars.