Champs League/Low Trophy Offerings

I am a longtime farmer (1B+ GG) and clan war enthusiast, but after I maxed all defenses and finished lvl9 walls, I decided to take a shot at Champions League. With one gem hero and spell boost, I figured this was my best shot. I am a decent attacker with GoWiPe and GoWiWi, though certainly no expert, and I surprised myself by making it to 3280 with relatively little resistance, my defense doing the lions' share of the work.

This morning after another defense win overnight (+28), I sat at 3308. I had an army and spells built, and I began searching. In the 30 or so minutes I had to search, I did not see a single Champions League base. Nearly all of what I saw were Masters II and III bases for 1-6 trophies. In the 3200s, I had a been seeing decent offerings from time to time at least, with 10-12 trophies regularly offered and the occasional 20+. Not a single base over 10 trophies now. With a screaming child in the other room and a wife rapidly losing her patience, I found a 9 trophy offering in Masters I that I didn't really like, but I hit it anyway and predictably lost for a -33. I signed off and immediately got one-starred (50% to Barch) for a -12.

I read the forums casually and have seen discussions of the poor trophy offerings in Champs and the need to stay online for hours on end to make any upward progress. I had believed (likely incorrectly) that those issues would start much higher, like near 4000. Have I at 3300 trophies reached the ceiling, i.e. searching at length for bases with very few trophies offered? Or is it unusual at that level to have difficulty finding a Champs League player to hit? Perhaps the one gem boost has caused some shift in where that line is? My fundamental question is this: Can a casual player (doing an attack, then waiting three hours to rebuild army/spells) realistically expect to go any higher than this?

This is not a complaint post, I really don't care what the answer is. I exceeded my own expectations by even getting to Champs, and I will happily crawl back under the rock I came from. I just want to make sure that I have reached approximately the upper limit of where a casual player can advance without gemming and/or playing more than an hour or so each day (neither of which I can/will do).

Anyway, thanks for any knowledge or advice you can share. And if you want to join me in trophy retirement, my clan "The SPC" is constantly warring and always looking for good attackers.

Big_Batur

The short answer is yes, it's unusual. I'm slightly higher than you and, even though I'm farming, I notice that I usually find at least a couple decent cup offers in the few minutes I search for. Basically, it was bad luck, and you might want to consider hitting "end battle" and starting your search again if this happens in the future.

The larger picture, however, is not so bright. Good trophy offers become few and far between well before 4000 (I really started to notice it at around 3600), and at 3800, you start having the problem that you can't find any bases whatsoever, even for one trophy. That said, you can definitely advance higher with your one attack and log off strategy, but it will be slow going and don't expect to get too close to 4k. As a final note, if you continue to lose defenses, consider putting your th outside, the vast majority of my defenses were -1 snipes from 3400 to 3800.

There are many, many other players who had the same idea as you and started earlier than you: using the 1 gem boost to reach Champions. You're experiencing the results of that traffic jam into Champions. It's a bit tougher than normal, but it's never exactly paradise.

Was this in the past week? I just pushed to champs too and I'm only sitting about 3220.

The 1 gem boost has messed up everything I was in crystal 2 and consistently finding gold 3 and even found a gold 2.

I'm on the fence whether or not to stay up here, but I'm waiting until the 1 gem boost ends so I can get a more realistic idea of what the scene is like.

Sadly the opposite is also true.

I was at 3430 cups. I always leave my TH outside. Normally, I'll get sniped for -1 up to -9.

When I logged back in, I saw -19?! I thought, "bummer, someone decided to 2 star me".
Nope, it was a snipe!!!! By someone with 2697 cups!!!

Umm... someone in normal matchmaking found a base that's over 700 cups above them?!?! :confused:

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Originally Posted by meowr

Sadly the opposite is also true.

I was at 3430 cups. I always leave my TH outside. Normally, I'll get sniped for -1 up to -9.

When I logged back in, I saw -19?! I thought, "bummer, someone decided to 2 star me".
Nope, it was a snipe!!!! By someone with 2697 cups!!!

Umm... someone in normal matchmaking found a base that's over 700 cups above them?!?! :confused:

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I think that's part of the bug introduced in the most recent update/gem boosts, but I did find an offer for +56 a month or so ago while pushing in mid-Champ (I lost).

All of the above true, theres crazy matchmaking going on in lower leagues, either due to bug or just plain heavy traffic because of the boosts.
I'm occasionally catching up to a minute of clouds in M1, something ive never seen before.

Two other things though. In my champ forays, ive found offers are at their absolute WORST in low champ, 3200-3400. Remember, theres a lot farming there now, so raid a lot faster than heavy armies. Even worse because of boost.

Lastly, its that time of the fortnight, league reset time. All the big boys tend to push like crazy (as in more than normal) over the season reset weekend. This will also be a little worse because of boosting. If you were higher, the: 'can't find villages to attack' would start appearing.

Right, what you can do about it.
Keep reloading game when offers are poo. Switching languages is quickest way, but the languages themselves are irrelevant. Youre most likely of finding an average to good offer within first few nexts.

Or, wait until season and cheap boost end. Will be more expensive, but traffic should be significantly lower.

TH out for snipes. Sometimes youll get stung for huge 1* or someone after you for big 🏆 2*, but the majority will honestly be 1-4 from 3800+.

Gl. Its hard work, can be very frustrating, but rather rewarding.

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Originally Posted by Jinx483

Was this in the past week? I just pushed to champs too and I'm only sitting about 3220.

The 1 gem boost has messed up everything I was in crystal 2 and consistently finding gold 3 and even found a gold 2.

I'm on the fence whether or not to stay up here, but I'm waiting until the 1 gem boost ends so I can get a more realistic idea of what the scene is like.

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Yes, I did the entire climb from mid-Masters in the past 7 days. The searching was this morning.

Made it to champs from masters (III) in like a day and a half (thnx to 1-gem boost). Took 2 more days to make it to 3500. One must be Online at least for 6 hours per day to achieve some results.

Just wait whilst searching and you'll find those 20+ cups (actually boring, but who cares).

A lot of "1-2" cups there, but still. Be patient.

regards

I think you have done very well to reach the champs the way you have BigBatur congratulations. Unfortunately as stated above I think you have reached you limit as a casual player. The searches just get longer and the cups get less the higher you go. I have been above 4000 cups a few times but end up dropping back down because the searches are so long and the cup offerings are so bad. Also I just get bored looking at clouds. Sometimes you are lucky to find one good base in a 6 hour session. Other days it can be better but not much.

Enjoy your achievement and just have fun with your clan mates and clan wars. It surly is a lot more fun. Unless you are willing to put in long hours and use gems it's really not worth it to go above 4000 cups IMO. This said everyone plays for there own reasons so as long as you are enjoying yourself that is the most important thing. Life is short.

IGN: Qubiskop
Clan: Blackest Night
TH lvl: 10
League: Champions

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Originally Posted by BigBatur

I am a longtime farmer (1B+ GG) and clan war enthusiast, but after I maxed all defenses and finished lvl9 walls, I decided to take a shot at Champions League. With one gem hero and spell boost, I figured this was my best shot. I am a decent attacker with GoWiPe and GoWiWi, though certainly no expert, and I surprised myself by making it to 3280 with relatively little resistance, my defense doing the lions' share of the work.

This morning after another defense win overnight (+28), I sat at 3308. I had an army and spells built, and I began searching. In the 30 or so minutes I had to search, I did not see a single Champions League base. Nearly all of what I saw were Masters II and III bases for 1-6 trophies. In the 3200s, I had a been seeing decent offerings from time to time at least, with 10-12 trophies regularly offered and the occasional 20+. Not a single base over 10 trophies now. With a screaming child in the other room and a wife rapidly losing her patience, I found a 9 trophy offering in Masters I that I didn't really like, but I hit it anyway and predictably lost for a -33. I signed off and immediately got one-starred (50% to Barch) for a -12.

I read the forums casually and have seen discussions of the poor trophy offerings in Champs and the need to stay online for hours on end to make any upward progress. I had believed (likely incorrectly) that those issues would start much higher, like near 4000. Have I at 3300 trophies reached the ceiling, i.e. searching at length for bases with very few trophies offered? Or is it unusual at that level to have difficulty finding a Champs League player to hit? Perhaps the one gem boost has caused some shift in where that line is? My fundamental question is this: Can a casual player (doing an attack, then waiting three hours to rebuild army/spells) realistically expect to go any higher than this?

This is not a complaint post, I really don't care what the answer is. I exceeded my own expectations by even getting to Champs, and I will happily crawl back under the rock I came from. I just want to make sure that I have reached approximately the upper limit of where a casual player can advance without gemming and/or playing more than an hour or so each day (neither of which I can/will do).

Anyway, thanks for any knowledge or advice you can share. And if you want to join me in trophy retirement, my clan "The SPC" is constantly warring and always looking for good attackers.

Big_Batur

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Well the first thing I noticed in Champs league was poor cup offerings also, however, an irony struck me funny when the best cup and resource offering were TH 3,4,5,6,7, and TH 8 snipers that I found offering cups from 20- 35. The TH 9's were 15-19. But most TH 10's were in the 10 or less category- as a GoWiPe or GoWiWi myself, I had to choose very carefully, what was spent verses outcome- personally I don't care as long as the loot pushes me over the million mark, or a sniper offering 20 plus cups- but the downside is playing the full 2 hour boost to maximize your raid rally each day then log off to get the shield. Casual play doesn't apply unless you've pushed your way up near 4K then you got some staying power to play casual.
Bottom line if you got more to upgrade like I do, who cares what league your in as long as the stuff gets done, then push on again if you want.

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Originally Posted by Chadwick1e46

Well the first thing I noticed in Champs league was poor cup offerings also, however, an irony struck me funny when the best cup and resource offering were TH 3,4,5,6,7, and TH 8 snipers that I found offering cups from 20- 35. The TH 9's were 15-19. But most TH 10's were in the 10 or less category- as a GoWiPe or GoWiWi myself, I had to choose very carefully, what was spent verses outcome- personally I don't care as long as the loot pushes me over the million mark, or a sniper offering 20 plus cups- but the downside is playing the full 2 hour boost to maximize your raid rally each day then log off to get the shield. Casual play doesn't apply unless you've pushed your way up near 4K then you got some staying power to play casual.
Bottom line if you got more to upgrade like I do, who cares what league your in as long as the stuff gets done, then push on again if you want.

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How would you see good resource offerings from the baby snipers? TH penalties make them worth almost nothing, plus the fact that they will NEVER EVER get skipped in matchmaking mean they are virtually never seen.
Youre talking like you see loads, i might get one in a 2-4 week push.
IGN as well as clan please, lets do some profile checking.

Lastly to OP, youre not quite at the casual play limit yet, as i said before, traffic should die down quite a bit in next few days. Youll see reasonable cup offers in under 30 mins search. Its 3500+ at least really where it gets very time consuming.

We've been seeing consistently silly matchups over the weekend and continuing into Monday. For example, 4290 cups being hit by 3190 Master 1, difference of 1100 cups. Also an even worse case where a 2600 cupper hit a 4400, difference of 1800 cups! SC should fix this anomally quick!:mad:

im finding plenty of th9s worth 1 cup from crystal and th10s in masters 1,2, and 3 worth 8 cups and im at 3236 atm. (im a th9):rolleyes:

Re: odd matchups:

I have been watching the matchups I am getting more closely since my original post. I am currently in Champs (~3250-3280) and have actually gotten some offers for Crystal I bases (1 trophy). By definition, those players must be 650 trophies lower than me. Nearly all of my offers are from Masters II or Masters III players (3-8 trophies). In the 20-30 minutes of searching I just finished, I did not see a single Champs player, and eventually just hit a 4 trophy offer with huge loot. :)

Is this normal? Or is this likely part of the unusual conditions created by the one gem boost?

It seems like I am better off ceasing attacks for now and simply playing defense if I want to advance.

update now at 3064 finding low cup offers still but finding plenty of low ths worth 5-15 cups

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Originally Posted by Superfinch30

How would you see good resource offerings from the baby snipers? TH penalties make them worth almost nothing, plus the fact that they will NEVER EVER get skipped in matchmaking mean they are virtually never seen.
Youre talking like you see loads, i might get one in a 2-4 week push.
IGN as well as clan please, lets do some profile checking.

Lastly to OP, youre not quite at the casual play limit yet, as i said before, traffic should die down quite a bit in next few days. Youll see reasonable cup offers in under 30 mins search. Its 3500+ at least really where it gets very time consuming.

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It truly amazes me how some people think they know everything about the game- I however don't pretend to know nor expect to explain a simple fluke that simply just happens from time to time no matter what level of play you are. I was just making an observation of my experience entering Champs league- and to my surprise ran into a bunch of baby snipers by what I'd like to call "dumb luck". Since then however you are right- I rarely see any of these guys in attack searches- perhaps because I've moved on to more cups, nevertheless, it happened wether you believe it or not my doubting Thomas friend- haven't seen that before or since- it just struck me funny and I presumed that that was the norm of what to find crossing over into champs- "NEVER" really? Common dude give me a break. You know as well as I do matchmaking raids are never the same and change day to day depending on how active everyone is- so Excuse the heck out of me- ♥♥♥♥♥

Aha! Glad you found it.

It wasnt necessarily the fact that you said FOUND baby snipers, it was that you claimed them to have the best cup(fine) and RESOURCE offerings (nonsense, unless you are a baby sniper yourself).

Do you not see from where the root of disbelief may stem?

Never claim to know everything, but seen quite a lot of clash, fair few forays to champ, and a lot of forum.
People like to regurgitate the knowledge and opinions of others, without having done it themselves. There are usually however, flaws.

So, if you have taken great offence to my slur, my apologies, but surely you must see why it didnt make any sense?

I've made multiple trips.

Until 3,400 you can find decent cup offerings. After than 12 is freakin' awesome.


Also, your exposed Th will get you -1 with no resources loss. Just saying :)

S'ok Nio, think OP got their answer, just some necro flaming going on now.

And, still finding reasonable offerings at 3450, no more 30s, but plenty 20s.

Made a horrible mess of last 2 though. Poo.

more opinions about this topic can be found here:http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...e-is-corrupted i am sure you will find most of them interesting about the issue!!!

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Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Aha! Glad you found it.

It wasnt necessarily the fact that you said FOUND baby snipers, it was that you claimed them to have the best cup(fine) and RESOURCE offerings (nonsense, unless you are a baby sniper yourself).

Do you not see from where the root of disbelief may stem?

Never claim to know everything, but seen quite a lot of clash, fair few forays to champ, and a lot of forum.
People like to regurgitate the knowledge and opinions of others, without having done it themselves. There are usually however, flaws.

So, if you have taken great offence to my slur, my apologies, but surely you must see why it didnt make any sense?

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No problem Dude, sorry for the late delay- work has been busy and haven't checked responses in awhile- and just to update- Ive been finding the motherload loot finally that makes sense- those guys with the electric walls have it all-lol
thank God for air raids- peace!