Banned from Clash... by association?

On this past Friday afternoon, during the prep period for a clan war, one of our co-leaders noticed that the enemy clan had put some taunting words about us, the opposing clan, in their clan description section.

As the clan war began, and battles occurred, the score was close, and passions ran high. One or more of the co-leaders in my clan retaliated by putting many off-color comments in our clan description. We won the war, by 1 point, on a last second attack. Late yesterday evening, after the war was over, one of the leaders of the losing clan joined our clan, and started a flame war in the clan chat. I did not participate.

I tried to log in to COC this morning- and got a notice saying I had been banned for 1 day for offensive comments. I am a co-leader in this clan, but I never made any comments, nor did I edit the clan description to post or edit the taunting comments. Am I being banned solely for being a co-leader in a clan that was reported for being offensive?

Seems a little harsh if this is true- is this something that I can appeal? If so, how? I can't launch the app to contact in-game support due to the ban.

You probably got banned because your clan name is childish. Anyone who includes "420" in any name they make is a loser looking for attention.

Protip:Grow up.

No you can not appeal it.
If one co messes up you're all punished which is stupid becuase then there's no one to run the clan and it'll go out of control and you'll most likley be banned again during your ban.
My advice is either asked to be demoted or get punished for stuff that supercells to lazy to figure out exactly who did it.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

No you can not appeal it.
If one co messes up you're all punished which is stupid becuase then there's no one to run the clan and it'll go out of control and you'll most likley be banned again during your ban.
My advice is either asked to be demoted or get punished for stuff that supercells to lazy to figure out exactly who did it.

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I was afraid that might be the answer. Thanks for the quick response.

Your appeal will take one day, on the more serious note our last war opponent made some unsavoury comments about our clan, I hope this is not starting to become a trend....

Supercell has no log files who changed the clan description. If a clan description is offensive and is reported, they simply ban all co leaders because it is the fastest way to handle this. This is not fair. If you cant find the one that did this, ban only the leader because he is the only one that can ban cos violating the rules in his clan. For a co there is no way of stopping this other than leaving the clan, but then you can ban all other member as well for not leaving the clan and if someone starts insulting on global, ban everyone for not leaving global.

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Originally Posted by eastcoastceo

I was afraid that might be the answer. Thanks for the quick response.

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You're welcome, hopefully in the future it won't be like that.
(They really should keep track of exactly who not only on their server but also for the leader to see (at the very least))

The timing of this ban is poor, as I had taken advantage of the 1-gem boost on my mines, pumps, and drills.

Some lucky person is going to find me when I roll off my shield around about 11am EST, and gorge themselves on boosted gold, DE, and elix. :( Hopefully he/she will also snipe my town hall, so I can get a new shield.

Consider it a belated Xmas gift to the Clash economy.:D

It is NOT stupid it could be you, it could be your other co leaders or it could be the leader the problem is no one knows, there is no audit log for description changes so everyone with access is banned.

The simple solution is don't break the terms of service by putting offensive words in your description.

Assuming it wasn't you then you need to have a frank chat with the others about their behaviour in game.

Honestly 24 hrs is a let off bro.
support can and has effected serious bans on clan descriptions.

kind regards

sneaky.

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Originally Posted by andrgin

Supercell has no log files who changed the clan description. If a clan description is offensive and is reported, they simply ban all co leaders because it is the fastest way to handle this. This is not fair.

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I suspected this might be how they handle it. I understand it, but it stinks to get banned for it.

Unfortunately, the person who did most of the trash talking, and likely edited the clan description, was a clan alum who had re-joined (and was promoted to co-leader) just for this war, and then left after it ended. I suspect they escaped the ban hammer, since he had already left the clan the last time I was on. Once I get unbanned, I can confirm for sure.

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Originally Posted by Daddy

It is NOT stupid it could be you, it could be your other co leaders or it could be the leader the problem is no one knows, there is no audit log for description changes so everyone with access is banned.

The simple solution is don't break the terms of service by putting offensive words in your description.

Assuming it wasn't you then you need to have a frank chat with the others about their behaviour in game.

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Who called it stupid? You're the only person even using stupid in these posts on this thread, unless I missed it.
It was implied I'm sure.

And yes we can control others behavior, how does this work? I'd love to stop criminals so please let me know.

Having a chat with others isn't going to stop it.

If no one knows who's doing it then the leaders would have to demote everyone or all cos would have to leave the clan.

Chatting isn't going to help anything, if it did we'd have world peace because face it there are toxic jerks in the world who will sacerfice others for their own entertainment.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

Who called it stupid? You're the only person even using stupid in these posts on this thread, unless I missed it.
It was implied I'm sure.

And yes we can control others behavior, how does this work? I'd love to stop criminals so please let me know.

Having a chat with others isn't going to stop it.

If no one knows who's doing it then the leaders would have to demote everyone or all cos would have to leave the clan.

Chatting isn't going to help anything, if it did we'd have world peace because face it there are toxic jerks in the world who will sacerfice others for their own entertainment.

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I am much more associated with my clan than criminals lol, horrible analogy. A clan is like a team at work or in sports. If one person steps out of line the others have a duty to correct the problem and confront the offender.

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Originally Posted by Daddy

It is NOT stupid it could be you, it could be your other co leaders or it could be the leader the problem is no one knows, there is no audit log for description changes so everyone with access is banned.

The simple solution is don't break the terms of service by putting offensive words in your description.

Assuming it wasn't you then you need to have a frank chat with the others about their behaviour in game.

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Thanks for the info, Daddy. Sorry if I sounded like I was whining. I accept my punishment, and I understand the reasons behind it. I just wanted to come to the forums for a confirmation, which you have provided.

On a related note, I am honored by the comment from a Clash super-star like you. I just wish it was for a better reason, like "Great job on the biggest raid ever" or "Congrats on reaching the Top 100". :cool:

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Originally Posted by FistofJustice

I am much more associated with my clan than criminals lol, horrible analogy. A clan is like a team at work or in sports. If one person steps out of line the others have a duty to correct the problem and confront the offender.

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At least the team knows who the offender is, clans don't.

The only solution to the problem is to never have co leaders if you don't know anyone who plays the game in your friend circle.

And never be co leader.

Teams know who the offender is.

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Originally Posted by Daddy

It is NOT stupid it could be you, it could be your other co leaders or it could be the leader the problem is no one knows, there is no audit log for description changes so everyone with access is banned.

The simple solution is don't break the terms of service by putting offensive words in your description.

Assuming it wasn't you then you need to have a frank chat with the others about their behaviour in game.

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Common sense prevails, have to agree with Daddy and sneakymaori mate. The leader and respective co-leaders have a collective responsibility to manage the clan in the right way as per the rules. I genuinely understand your own personal annoyance at this. However, in that type of military style punishment of they done it and I get punished, this needs to be directed towards your leader and fellow co leaders in the form of a very frank chat to make sure it doesn't happen again, not towards Supercell.

I myself am a leader and if anyone in my clan reduced the clan to participating in that type of childish behaviour or trash talk on official clan descriptions then they would be demoted, kicked, or whatever was appropriate. As sneakymaori said mate, it's only 24 hours, could have been worse. Take it easy.

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Originally Posted by eastcoastceo

Thanks for the info, Daddy. Sorry if I sounded like I was whining. I accept my punishment, and I understand the reasons behind it. I just wanted to come to the forums for a confirmation, which you have provided.

On a related note, I am honored by the comment from a Clash super-star like you. I just wish it was for a better reason, like "Great job on the biggest raid ever" or "Congrats on reaching the Top 100". :cool:

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You're handling it with the right attitude. At least you can take solace in being recognized for that. For the same reason you're not positive who changed the clan description, Supercell isn't either, so they have to act against all coleaders and you simply got dragged into it. I'd bet the player you suspect who left the clan was banned, too. It's one day and it'll be over soon. Good luck in the future and happy New Year.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

Who called it stupid? You're the only person even using stupid in these posts on this thread, unless I missed it.
It was implied I'm sure.

And yes we can control others behavior, how does this work? I'd love to stop criminals so please let me know.

Having a chat with others isn't going to stop it.

If no one knows who's doing it then the leaders would have to demote everyone or all cos would have to leave the clan.

Chatting isn't going to help anything, if it did we'd have world peace because face it there are toxic jerks in the world who will sacerfice others for their own entertainment.

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A clan who's co's and leader are habitual, not to say that this is the case here, in their use of offensive descriptions and who refuse to change their offensive ways after trying to convince them otherwise, you are thereby implying that you condone their actions and are therefore guilty by association if you remain in said clan. You are responsible for your own actions, no one else's, and in these cases, disassociation may be the only way to control how others have the potential to negatively affect you.

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Originally Posted by Bench130

Common sense prevails, have to agree with Daddy and sneakymaori mate. The leader and respective co-leaders have a collective responsibility to manage the clan in the right way as per the rules. I genuinely understand your own personal annoyance at this. However, in that type of military style punishment of they done it and I get punished, this needs to be directed towards your leader and fellow co leaders in the form of a very frank chat to make sure it doesn't happen again, not towards Supercell.

I myself am a leader and if anyone in my clan reduced the clan to participating in that type of childish behaviour or trash talk on official clan descriptions then they would be demoted, kicked, or whatever was appropriate. As sneakymaori said mate, it's only 24 hours, could have been worse. Take it easy.

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Yep, I understand completely. Lots of talking to be done when I can re-join my clan.

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Originally Posted by Bench130

Common sense prevails, have to agree with Daddy and sneakymaori mate. The leader and respective co-leaders have a collective responsibility to manage the clan in the right way as per the rules. I genuinely understand your own personal annoyance at this. However, in that type of military style punishment of they done it and I get punished, this needs to be directed towards your leader and fellow co leaders in the form of a very frank chat to make sure it doesn't happen again, not towards Supercell.

I myself am a leader and if anyone in my clan reduced the clan to participating in that type of childish behaviour or trash talk on official clan descriptions then they would be demoted, kicked, or whatever was appropriate. As sneakymaori said mate, it's only 24 hours, could have been worse. Take it easy.

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It is their only option right now, I understand. That could improve on their options.
As supercell doesn't know who did it, the leader and co's don't know either. And co's can not kick or demote other co's.
So no one knows who did it, so the co could still be in that clan.
The leader would have to kick or demote all cos if no one confesses.
Cos can not do that to other cos so they have one choice, leave.
This is not the best solution and other options for supercell and leaders need to be added for the leader which I'm not going to talk about here as this is not the right place.
I'm not saying supercell is wrong in banning all co's but am saying there needs to be a way for them to see who did the wrong doing before people get tired of the false bans and clash collapses because of people being co.

Thanks for the multiple quick and helpful comments from the Mods and other Forum vets. This community is one of the many things that sets COC apart from the competition.

Now if we can just get Kate Upton to see things the same way.... ;)

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Originally Posted by Daddy

It is NOT stupid it could be you, it could be your other co leaders or it could be the leader the problem is no one knows, there is no audit log for description changes so everyone with access is banned.

The simple solution is don't break the terms of service by putting offensive words in your description.

Assuming it wasn't you then you need to have a frank chat with the others about their behaviour in game.

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I agree with you;)

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Originally Posted by Daddy

It is NOT stupid it could be you, it could be your other co leaders or it could be the leader the problem is no one knows, there is no audit log for description changes so everyone with access is banned.

The simple solution is don't break the terms of service by putting offensive words in your description.

Assuming it wasn't you then you need to have a frank chat with the others about their behaviour in game.

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Kinda goes against all the principles of justice I was taught to believe. Seeing as anyone could have posted a comment and then quit the clan, better ban the whole game and then you know you got the guilty party.

Edit: I'm just glad SC doesn't work for the police. Radar goes off? Just give everyone on the road a speeding ticket.

Well whether it was you who post the offensive clan description or not , you are a co and is able to remove it but you didn't so yea you should be punished.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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Originally Posted by eastcoastceo

I tried to log in to COC this morning- and got a notice saying I had been banned for 1 day for offensive comments..

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You got off lightly. I got a 3 day ban here for saying a couple of individuals, who I did NOT name, other than as part of a group, were an "utter disgrace".

There is no appeal. There is no fairness. Full stop.

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Originally Posted by Braddeller

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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We are agreed on that, which may be why I was compelled to reply even though I couldn't care less.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

Who called it stupid? You're the only person even using stupid in these posts on this thread, unless I missed it.

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post 3 http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post3573130

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Originally Posted by Wendle

Kinda goes against all the principles of justice I was taught to believe. Seeing as anyone could have posted a comment and then quit the clan, better ban the whole game and then you know you got the guilty party.

Edit: I'm just glad SC doesn't work for the police. Radar goes off? Just give everyone on the road a speeding ticket.

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The law in this respect is more complicated than you may think. To help, here is a quote from the UK BBC...

Alex has been charged with a murder committed by a friend in a spontaneous fight; Wayne has been convicted of possessing a firearm he never touched; Joseph is serving a life sentence for a murder he didn't even see. All of them have been convicted using the law of Joint Enterprise under which a person in a group or gang can be held responsible for the criminal acts of others.

Joint Enterprise is a 300-year-old law which has been increasingly used in recent years to combat the rise in gang violence. Its supporters argue that it ensures that those who encourage violent crimes are held responsible for their actions and that it deters further violence. It has been used to secure convictions in a number of high profile murder cases, including two of the killers of Stephen Lawrence and the three murderers of Ben Kinsella. Others argue that it is leading to wrongful convictions of people who were only on the periphery of a crime, but who will, nevertheless, be sentenced to mandatory life sentences.


Clearly Clash offences are not about murder or other 'criminal' acts, however, the principles are the same.

I wonder if a lot of hoppers know that leaders and co leaders get banned for offensive clan descriptions. It would make sense given many demand co before agreeing to join. I wondered why people are insistent on it, because it doesn't give any other special purpose. I bet there are trolls out there hopping from clan to clan getting innocent people banned. Glad I stick with those I know personally.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

If one co messes up you're all punished which is stupid

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Originally Posted by Daddy

It is NOT stupid it could be you, it could be your other co leaders or it could be the leader the problem is no one knows, there is no audit log for description changes so everyone with access is banned.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

Who called it stupid? You're the only person even using stupid in these posts on this thread, unless I missed it.
It was implied I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Daddy

post 3 http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post3573130

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You really can't write this stuff - no one would believe it. "It was implied I'm sure." Thank you for starting my day with a laugh.

3/4 of our clammed banned for two days. We don't read clan description, we communicate through clan mail. The person who changed the message left the clan so was not punished. We have so many co just so cup lvl can be changed to letpeopleback in. Hope this is changed so innocent people don't get caught up

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Originally Posted by fennster1969

Joint Enterprise is a 300-year-old law which has been increasingly used in recent years to combat the rise in gang violence. Its supporters argue that it ensures that those who encourage violent crimes are held responsible for their actions and that it deters further violence. It has been used to secure convictions in a number of high profile murder cases, including two of the killers of Stephen Lawrence and the three murderers of Ben Kinsella. Others argue that it is leading to wrongful convictions of people who were only on the periphery of a crime, but who will, nevertheless, be sentenced to mandatory life sentences.


Clearly Clash offences are not about murder or other 'criminal' acts, however, the principles are the same.

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I can't comment on the UK law as I know nothing about it, but there seems to be two basic differences:
1. The law intentionally punishes by association and not simply because it is more expedient than finding the actual guilty party.
2. It seems there is an implied assumption that associates are supporting criminal activity, where Daddy's stance seemed to be that associates just didn't do anything to stop it.

For example, if I'm pulled over for speeding, should everyone in the car get a ticket for failing to stop me?

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Originally Posted by Zannan

Who called it stupid? You're the only person even using stupid in these posts on this thread, unless I missed it.
It was implied I'm sure.

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Ummm... You?

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Originally Posted by Zannan

No you can not appeal it.
If one co messes up you're all punished which is stupid becuase then there's no one to run the clan and it'll go out of control and you'll most likley be banned again during your ban.
My advice is either asked to be demoted or get punished for stuff that supercells to lazy to figure out exactly who did it.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

And yes we can control others behavior, how does this work? I'd love to stop criminals so please let me know.

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Demote them.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

Having a chat with others isn't going to stop it.

If no one knows who's doing it then the leaders would have to demote everyone or all cos would have to leave the clan.

Chatting isn't going to help anything, if it did we'd have world peace because face it there are toxic jerks in the world who will sacerfice others for their own entertainment.

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This isn't world politics. It's a game. It may not be fair, but neither is life, so get used to it. I'm a clan leader, and I can think of several ways to game this system. For example, bring an alt account in to make the edits. As leaders, we are responsible for our clan, and that also makes us culpable.

Well, you know what they say: Guilt by association.

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Originally Posted by Wendle

I can't comment on the UK law as I know nothing about it, but there seems to be two basic differences:
1. The law intentionally punishes by association and not simply because it is more expedient than finding the actual guilty party.
2. It seems there is an implied assumption that associates are supporting criminal activity, where Daddy's stance seemed to be that associates just didn't do anything to stop it.

For example, if I'm pulled over for speeding, should everyone in the car get a ticket for failing to stop me?

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In the UK if say three people steal a car and go joy riding, the police will need to be able to identify the driver for prosecution. If they can't then all three will likely 'get away with it'. If they can then all three will face charges, with the driver receiving the more severe punishment. That would be the 'normal' process, there are always exceptions to the rule though. Shouldn't forget a lot of these crimes are done in gangs or groups because that's where these people get their kicks, by 'showing off'. Similarly in Clash people try to be rude or funny to make an impression with their team. If you research on google how to make a successful clan you will find all advice tells you not to be rude or try to be funny in your clan description, it always back fires. Look at the description for all the top clans, all of them are plain and simple.

Getting back to the topic, and a potential solution. It seems to me a more reasonable punishment would be to ban the clan from having any description at all. Whilst it still punishes the innocent, it is at least not stopping them play the game, and allows the innocent parties to resolve any issue with guilty, something they can't do while banned. Another option would be to only allow the leader to edit the description. Only need to ban one person that way. If the leader swaps around then that's their look out!

OP, you are the type of guy to ruin it for everyone. 24 hours is a fair ban, and support has to deal with thousands of snitches (you shouldn't have let it get reported). grow up.

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Originally Posted by YourBoyAce

OP, you are the type of guy to ruin it for everyone. 24 hours is a fair ban, and support has to deal with thousands of snitches (you shouldn't have let it get reported). grow up.

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OP was quite mature (much more than the average OP too). He accepted that he can't appeal and didn't try to cause drama about it not being fair. You're the type of guy to cause drama in threads while hardly reading the replies

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Originally Posted by Zannan

No you can not appeal it.
If one co messes up you're all punished which is stupid becuase then there's no one to run the clan and it'll go out of control and you'll most likley be banned again during your ban.
My advice is either asked to be demoted or get punished for stuff that supercells to lazy to figure out exactly who did it.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

You're welcome, hopefully in the future it won't be like that.
(They really should keep track of exactly who not only on their server but also for the leader to see (at the very least))

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Originally Posted by Acedd

3/4 of our clammed banned for two days. We don't read clan description, we communicate through clan mail. The person who changed the message left the clan so was not punished. We have so many co just so cup lvl can be changed to letpeopleback in. Hope this is changed so innocent people don't get caught up

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Originally Posted by Wendle

I can't comment on the UK law as I know nothing about it, but there seems to be two basic differences:
1. The law intentionally punishes by association and not simply because it is more expedient than finding the actual guilty party.
2. It seems there is an implied assumption that associates are supporting criminal activity, where Daddy's stance seemed to be that associates just didn't do anything to stop it.

For example, if I'm pulled over for speeding, should everyone in the car get a ticket for failing to stop me?

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no one in the car with you had the power to control the gas or break pedal, so thats a terrible analogy

as as a clann coleader you did have the power to delete the clan description. You didnt. By not changing it, you endorsed it. Take your 1-3 day ban and read a book.

even if they could figure out who did it, i dont think they should change the policy. Its clan managements responsibility and they failed. If you do not want the responsibility of the title of coleader, get a demotion. Clans that get bans i bet are more deligent in what is said in their clan description after a 2 day ban!

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Originally Posted by Sirix

OP was quite mature (much more than the average OP too). He accepted that he can't appeal and didn't try to cause drama about it not being fair. You're the type of guy to cause drama in threads while hardly reading the replies

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Moderator Daddy put out all the arguments to be had here. There are no logs for whoever changes the clan description. Have you ever had to pore through a log at work? If the culprit isn't there, there is no evidence to be had on Supercell's end. it' s a he-said-she-said sort of deal. But I'm repeating others now.


If he "accepted that he can't appeal" , why did he make this thread? You see this thing happen in public/global/boys and girls clans which are open and freely give out CO, and one of them puts offensive language in the clan description. This is nothing new. Considering the nature, 24 hours is completely fair in fact I had feared it to be longer.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

I believe a support ticket.

Don't know if that's a for sure answer though.

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Isn't that something you can only do ingame though? Since I'm banned, I can't even load the game for 2 days. Or are you talking about something through supercell's website? If so, anybody got a link?

There's no need to submit a support ticket. You know what happened, you now know the policy. Your ban will not be reversed much less reversed before it expires on its own.

Now ow you have a choice. You can become a true co LEADER to your clan and regulate what is said on your description or remove yourself from that responsibility by asking for a demotion or changing clans.

The choice is yours....

Wait. This is all for words right. Daddy. You know they can't hurt you right? Sticks and stones.

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Originally Posted by YourBoyAce

If he "accepted that he can't appeal" , why did he make this thread?

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How can he accept that he can't appeal if no one told him he couldn't appeal in the first place? (hence the purpose of making this thread)

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Originally Posted by Zannan

No you can not appeal it.

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Originally Posted by eastcoastceo

I was afraid that might be the answer. Thanks for the quick response.

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3rd/4th post (if you made it that far) shows that he accepted that he can't appeal. He didn't react with hostility and demanded some official response.
He even accepted it cheerfully

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Originally Posted by eastcoastceo

The timing of this ban is poor, as I had taken advantage of the 1-gem boost on my mines, pumps, and drills.

Some lucky person is going to find me when I roll off my shield around about 11am EST, and gorge themselves on boosted gold, DE, and elix. :( Hopefully he/she will also snipe my town hall, so I can get a new shield.

Consider it a belated Xmas gift to the Clash economy.:D

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Originally Posted by eastcoastceo

Thanks for the info, Daddy. Sorry if I sounded like I was whining. I accept my punishment, and I understand the reasons behind it. I just wanted to come to the forums for a confirmation, which you have provided.

On a related note, I am honored by the comment from a Clash super-star like you. I just wish it was for a better reason, like "Great job on the biggest raid ever" or "Congrats on reaching the Top 100". :cool:

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Originally Posted by eastcoastceo

On this past Friday afternoon, during the prep period for a clan war, one of our co-leaders noticed that the enemy clan had put some taunting words about us, the opposing clan, in their clan description section.

As the clan war began, and battles occurred, the score was close, and passions ran high. One or more of the co-leaders in my clan retaliated by putting many off-color comments in our clan description. We won the war, by 1 point, on a last second attack. Late yesterday evening, after the war was over, one of the leaders of the losing clan joined our clan, and started a flame war in the clan chat. I did not participate.

I tried to log in to COC this morning- and got a notice saying I had been banned for 1 day for offensive comments. I am a co-leader in this clan, but I never made any comments, nor did I edit the clan description to post or edit the taunting comments. Am I being banned solely for being a co-leader in a clan that was reported for being offensive?

Seems a little harsh if this is true- is this something that I can appeal? If so, how? I can't launch the app to contact in-game support due to the ban.

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You are a co-leader, so sc had to ban anyone who could have made the comments in your clan description.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

At least the team knows who the offender is, clans don't.

The only solution to the problem is to never have co leaders if you don't know anyone who plays the game in your friend circle.

And never be co leader.

Teams know who the offender is.

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The thing is, in the vast majority of cases, when a person changes the clan description it is probably not the first time he has done something offensive. Chances are that same person was using foul language in chat or making other comments that could be interpreted as offensive. There are hints. People that curse a lot or make derogatory comments about others should never be promoted (assuming they are even allowed in your clan). If a leader or co-leader makes those kinds of comments, you should probably leave that clan for one that doesn't. If those are your kind of people, that is fine, but this is what happens to people like that. Kind and decent people do not suddenly make offensive comments out of the blue. There are clues to the kind of people you are dealing with. People that eventually cross the line usually skirt the edge of the line for a while. It is best to avoid being in a clan with people that are anywhere near the line.

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

There's no need to submit a support ticket. You know what happened, you now know the policy. Your ban will not be reversed much less reversed before it expires on its own.

Now ow you have a choice. You can become a true co LEADER to your clan and regulate what is said on your description or remove yourself from that responsibility by asking for a demotion or changing clans.

The choice is yours....

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First off, I fully realize that I likely have zero chance to lift a ban on me wrongfully given or not. and like I said, I have no idea what the offense was.

Second of all I never asked for co leader. I don't play the game to babysit others, I'm a casual player, I play it to have fun.

The reason I would choose to voice my complaint to supercell is to effect change. I understand why supercell would impliment a blanket ban on everyone.... it's easy. but that doesn't make it right. it's bad (and highly exploitable) game design on what is otherwise a beautifully designed game. There are obvious and better ways to deal with such offenses, which if implimented would be no more difficult than their current practice of a blanket ban.

for instance, instead of a ban, simply change the clan description and lck it for a period of time. also as others have said, the clan message should be traceable back to its author - yeah that's not going to happen over night but it should happen. And the only way it will is if players cogently make an argument for it

That really sucks if this is the truth.

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Originally Posted by fennster1969

It would make sense given many demand co before agreeing to join. I wondered why people are insistent on it, because it doesn't give any other special purpose.

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The main benefit of co-leader in my opinion is the ability to start clan wars (and the side benefit that no one that gets promoted can go on a kicking rampage and remove you from the group). There is nothing worse than being in a clan that supposedly does non-stop warring and then waiting for hours on end for the leader or one of the co-leaders to get around to starting a war. I have been promoted to co-leader in every clan I have ever been in (no counting request and leave clans). I never ask for it though, it is just given to me for good behavior and high donations. I also set alarms for when war ends so I can start another one right away. 24 hours for prep day is plenty of wasted time. We don't need more time wasted because lazy co-leaders can't be bother to log in for hours and start a war.

I realize that some clans war less than non-stop and my rant has nothing to do with them, but it amazes me how long people in non-stop war clans can go sometimes without starting a war.

The possibility of grammatical errors in my post is not the topic of discussion in this thread, please keep it on track.

Sent from my iPad


greetings supercell,


I have been playing your clash of clans game nearly everyday for well over 2 years. My ingame name is mad, and I am a co-leader of a clan called Tropic Thunder.


Today when I started my game I was welcomed to a message saying that I have been banned for 2 days due to an offensive clan description. I never saw the description in question, nor do I have any way of even finding out why I was banned short of asking you here, now.


I understand that a blanket banning of anyone with access to the clan message, logistically speaking, may prove as a pragmatic response from supercell, but it is neither fair or right to your loyal players.


Clash of Clans is a game, and it is not the responsibilty of every player to police the activities of every other player, clanmate or not.


If it is your policy to ban innocent players in this manner without so much as a warning, then your policy is greatly flawed, and should be improved to stay on par with what is otherwise a wonderfully designed game.


If you are unable to identify the author of this offensive description, then I ask that you revoke your ban on all of the players in my clan, so that we as a clan may asertain what the offense was and how to rectify it going forward to make sure it doesn't happen again.


As for improving your apparatus for dealing with such offenses I suggest starting first with a warning and locking the description to a default message for a period of time, and in the future find a way to keep track of who authors a description the same way people author clan mail. If you keep it the way it is, you are inviting less savory players to exploit your policy to sabotage other clans. Much like when players when joining a clan, ask for leader, boot the whole clan, raise the trophy minimum, and leave.


Thank you for your time and consideration.


Best Regards,


Jack McKeen
ingame: mad
clan: Tropic Thunder

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Originally Posted by madLEGOman

If it is your policy to ban innocent players in this manner without so much as a warning, then your policy is greatly flawed, and should be improved to stay on par with what is otherwise a wonderfully designed game.


If you are unable to identify the author of this offensive description, then I ask that you revoke your ban on all of the players in my clan, so that we as a clan may asertain what the offense was and how to rectify it going forward to make sure it doesn't happen again.


As for improving your apparatus for dealing with such offenses I suggest starting first with a warning and locking the description to a default message for a period of time, and in the future find a way to keep track of who authors a description the same way people author clan mail. If you keep it the way it is, you are inviting less savory players to exploit your policy to sabotage other clans. Much like when players when joining a clan, ask for leader, boot the whole clan, raise the trophy minimum, and leave.

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I agree 100%

As a clan, if one suffers, either ONE will stand up or ALL will suffer (famous phrase: ALL FOR ONE, ONE FOR ALL) Supercell does not have the right to be picky and ban all the "suspects", as this will lead to an aftermath of even more inappropriate behaviours and in the worst cases; the dissipation of the clan.

I see your point guys.

But why would you want to give co-leader to someone you don't know that well? - It was introduced as a way to primarily give leaders the option of recognising their very best people, and trusting them to essentially deputise for them.

Surely Elder would be enough for people wanting "a title"?

I've been playing for a little while, led a few clans and i would never ever ever give someone a promotion because they ask for it - i'd doubt their motives to be in the clan.

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Sent from my iPad


greetings supercell,


I have been playing your clash of clans game nearly everyday for well over 2 years. My ingame name is mad, and I am a co-leader of a clan called Tropic Thunder.


Today when I started my game I was welcomed to a message saying that I have been banned for 2 days due to an offensive clan description. I never saw the description in question, nor do I have any way of even finding out why I was banned short of asking you here, now.


I understand that a blanket banning of anyone with access to the clan message, logistically speaking, may prove as a pragmatic response from supercell, but it is neither fair or right to your loyal players.


Clash of Clans is a game, and it is not the responsibilty of every player to police the activities of every other player, clanmate or not.


If it is your policy to ban innocent players in this manner without so much as a warning, then your policy is greatly flawed, and should be improved to stay on par with what is otherwise a wonderfully designed game.


If you are unable to identify the author of this offensive description, then I ask that you revoke your ban on all of the players in my clan, so that we as a clan may asertain what the offense was and how to rectify it going forward to make sure it doesn't happen again.


As for improving your apparatus for dealing with such offenses I suggest starting first with a warning and locking the description to a default message for a period of time, and in the future find a way to keep track of who authors a description the same way people author clan mail. If you keep it the way it is, you are inviting less savory players to exploit your policy to sabotage other clans. Much like when players when joining a clan, ask for leader, boot the whole clan, raise the trophy minimum, and leave.


Thank you for your time and consideration.


Best Regards,


Jack McKeen
ingame: mad
clan: Tropic Thunder

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I agree and I like how you added suggestions to it.
Hopefully sending this gets them to consider adding some of the suggestions.

Having only 1 co-leader at this time and someone I know personally at that I am glad that I have no experience in this area. Not sure what the fascination with having so many is in the first place, just doesn't seem practical. I do think for those that do have multiple co-leaders it would be a good addition to at least have some sort of warning system in place that alerts the leader if changes are made to description or qualifications. I can say at times I've gone weeks without looking at my clan description.....I can't possibly be the only one.

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I see your point guys.

But why would you want to give co-leader to someone you don't know that well? - It was introduced as a way to primarily give leaders the option of recognising their very best people, and trusting them to essentially deputise for them.

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Especially for people who haven't been around before co-leader, many players probably don't see it as something reserved for the very best. Most clans have over 5 (sometimes +10) co-leaders so even if it was intended to be for the very best, that's not how the general player views it.

Overall, people might not be too upset with the damage a rogue co-leader can do because people can be reinvited. They'd never expect a rogue co-leader could get them banned though

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I see your point guys.

But why would you want to give co-leader to someone you don't know that well? - It was introduced as a way to primarily give leaders the option of recognising their very best people, and trusting them to essentially deputise for them.

Surely Elder would be enough for people wanting "a title"?

I've been playing for a little while, led a few clans and i would never ever ever give someone a promotion because they ask for it - i'd doubt their motives to be in the clan.

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I do agree with you 100% on this.

But lets say, friends get in a fight.

Friend who's co gets mad and is not thinking rationally, and he knows other friend is a co.
And friends tend to know when others go to sleep as you interact that much.
Friend waits until other friends usual sleeping time and changes description to something inappropriate and leaves.
All others get banned. Friend off scot free. No one was on to change description. (Assuming this is a clan with same time zones).
As for clans with diffrent timezones, I earned co (doesn't matter how at the moment.) I'm in a diffrent time zone then the rest of the clan.
I notice description change, I will change it back.
But lets say I'm a jerk for a second. I wait the time period to earn co, earn it rightfully, don't ask and change description knowing no one else will be on for hours. Leave the clan, they get banned. (This is hythopotical) As I know very rarely will anyone be on at the same time if ever as me.

Some people have that kind of patience especially when they know they can get away with it.

You can't be online 24/7, and you don't know anyone on this game in real life is a possibility.

It is like asking that from a co.

Don't give anyone co that asks soon as they join, yes. That is a bad idea.

I do agree with that.And don't give people you don't know well promotions (I assume you mean clash world not real life.)

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You really can't write this stuff - no one would believe it. "It was implied I'm sure." Thank you for starting my day with a laugh.

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This just reaffirmes my position on keeping clan closed during war as well as the "war chat" suggestion. Nothing like 10 year olds having a battle of wits to brighten your day-lol

Just stay clan less and dont spend any gems.
Best way to threaten sc is to stop buying stuff.
Otherwise its clear who decides stuff and has the upper hand. (SC with Tos that you agreed to)

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Originally Posted by Daddy

I see your point guys.

But why would you want to give co-leader to someone you don't know that well? - It was introduced as a way to primarily give leaders the option of recognising their very best people, and trusting them to essentially deputise for them.

Surely Elder would be enough for people wanting "a title"?

I've been playing for a little while, led a few clans and i would never ever ever give someone a promotion because they ask for it - i'd doubt their motives to be in the clan.

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For my part I never asked for co-leader. Nothing wrong with titles, hierarchy, chain of command and so forth, and the fact of the matter is holding a higher station has a few perks. but (respectfully) I find it foolish to expect people to not be stupid. Yes I'm bringing the dreaded "S" word back to this thread. Things can and will go wrong in any given clan at some point. Some will be too trusting, some too hot-headed. others just plain stupid.

All I am saying is that a company that has made a game so good that so many of us have literally spent years of our lives playing it, should be able to anticipate these kind of issues and find a better way to deal with them. If not now than in the future before it becomes a more serious problem.

anyway that's just my opinion -which i would normally keep to myself instead of whining about it here' but since I am currently banned, it seems i had nothing better to do.

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For my part I never asked for co-leader. Nothing wrong with titles, hierarchy, chain of command and so forth, and the fact of the matter is holding a higher station has a few perks. but (respectfully) I find it foolish to expect people to not be stupid. Yes I'm bringing the dreaded "S" word back to this thread. Things can and will go wrong in any given clan at some point. Some will be too trusting, some too hot-headed. others just plain stupid.

All I am saying is that a company that has made a game so good that so many of us have literally spent years of our lives playing it, should be able to anticipate these kind of issues and find a better way to deal with them. If not now than in the future before it becomes a more serious problem.

anyway that's just my opinion -which i would normally keep to myself instead of whining about it here' but since I am currently banned, it seems i had nothing better to do.

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I think your email will be read and understood by them, if they ask us i'll make sure they know it's a concern to forum members, good luck with the good fight :)

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I think your email will be read and understood by them, if they ask us i'll make sure they know it's a concern to forum members, good luck with the good fight :)

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much appreciated

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much appreciated

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Along with Daddy, I wish you luck.

BTW Daddy:Is there a diffrence in the way which supercell deals with forum members email and non forum members email? (Complaint email, idea email, any email basically.)

You don't have to answer. (I'd appreciate it if you did though.)

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Originally Posted by Daddy

I see your point guys.

But why would you want to give co-leader to someone you don't know that well? - It was introduced as a way to primarily give leaders the option of recognising their very best people, and trusting them to essentially deputise for them.

Surely Elder would be enough for people wanting "a title"?

I've been playing for a little while, led a few clans and i would never ever ever give someone a promotion because they ask for it - i'd doubt their motives to be in the clan.

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There are tons of different leadership styles, and you cannot expect the hundreds of thousands of leaders to all have the same or even similar ones. The benefits of promoting a lot of people have been mentioned earlier, but for Supercell to pretend that everything they introduce is used as intended would be nonsensical (see: lightning spell). They don't, of course (increased de storage hitpoints and just added a drill for th 7 in my example), so I don't see why they'd do so in this case. Not trying to be rude or insulting in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by MrSmart

I agree 100%

As a clan, if one suffers, either ONE will stand up or ALL will suffer (famous phrase: ALL FOR ONE, ONE FOR ALL) Supercell does not have the right to be picky and ban all the "suspects", as this will lead to an aftermath of even more inappropriate behaviours and in the worst cases; the dissipation of the clan.

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Actually, you're wrong. It's Super Cell's game, and they have every right to do with it however they please.

I, along with the rest of my clan, never bother to look at the other clan's description. Not really any need. Getting mad at something so harmless and childish is.. well, childish.

Your clan members need some thicker skin, or maybe even a little ignorance towards that kind of behavior. Either way, sorry to hear you got banned if you did not take part in the temper tantrum. One day ban is not too bad, just make sure your clan members don't get you in any more trouble.

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Originally Posted by madLEGOman

First off, I fully realize that I likely have zero chance to lift a ban on me wrongfully given or not. and like I said, I have no idea what the offense was.

Second of all I never asked for co leader. I don't play the game to babysit others, I'm a casual player, I play it to have fun.

The reason I would choose to voice my complaint to supercell is to effect change. I understand why supercell would impliment a blanket ban on everyone.... it's easy. but that doesn't make it right. it's bad (and highly exploitable) game design on what is otherwise a beautifully designed game. There are obvious and better ways to deal with such offenses, which if implimented would be no more difficult than their current practice of a blanket ban.

for instance, instead of a ban, simply change the clan description and lck it for a period of time. also as others have said, the clan message should be traceable back to its author - yeah that's not going to happen over night but it should happen. And the only way it will is if players cogently make an argument for it

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it shouldn't be changed. Period. Its a solid policy.

Whats stopping your guy from continuing to post obscene clan descriptions? No, the ban is warranted and if it didn't teach a lesson, then you can continue to enjoy your two day time out.

It it is right. You had the power to change it. If you are unwilling to be a part of the clans leadership, as you said you cant babysit, get demoted. You are a leader. If you cant accept the consequences of responsibility, dont accept it

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it shouldn't be changed. Period. Its a solid policy.

Whats stopping your guy from continuing to post obscene clan descriptions? No, the ban is warranted and if it didn't teach a lesson, then you can continue to enjoy your two day time out.

It it is right. You had the power to change it. If you are unwilling to be a part of the clans leadership, as you said you cant babysit, get demoted. You are a leader. If you cant accept the consequences of responsibility, dont accept it

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your argument for the responsibilities of leadership might be warranted if this were say a real life government, but it is not. this is a game, a leisure activity. I probably login maybe 4-6 times a day, and when i do squeeze in time to play, I'm farming, warring, chatting with friends, tapping collectors, or otherwise trying to enjoy myself. I'm certainly not checking the clan message just to see if somebody wrote something inappropriate today. if the leadership of your clan sees fit to be ever vigilant, that's a great thing, more power to you. but that's an unrealistic expectation to have of all players and all clans.

As far as teaching a lesson, I can not login, and have no reliable means of communication wth my clan outside of clan chat. I do not know who wrote the message, nor what it said. I do not know if it was a regular clanmate doing something they should not have done, or even a deliberate act of sabotage by an outsider. So where is the lesson here? Don't stay loyal to a clan long enough to get promoted to co-leader?

better that simple fixes be made to the system to protect innocent parties and to prevent future otherwise inevitable exploitation.

whether you agree with it or not, if you still can't see the logic here, you may be either taking the game to seriously, or not seriously enough.