Equalizer needed!

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January 2nd, 2015
ariman88

Equalizer needed!

I've been playing COC for a year and a half now, and I feel there's a fundamental flaw in the game - new players have a very small chance of achieving a high level without years of playing. I have friends I might convince to play, but the time it would take for them to reach around my level (I am a fairly active player) makes it not worthwhile for me to enlist them, in that they would not be relevant as clan members in war for at least a few months.

Therefore I suggest measures be taken to allow advanced player to help new players, in such a way that the gap between them might be closed quicker.

I have a few ideas how this could be achieved, but I would be glad to hear others (some of mine are ruled out already I think).

- Allow clan members to build for each other
- Allow aid packages to weaker player
- enlarge the initial clan castle, so that weaker players can take more advantage of strong troops

I don't know if I have the perfect formula, but the fact of the matter is that I don't have any incentive to recruit new players - and that can't be a situation that supercell accepts.
January 2nd, 2015
dahimi

The best way to do this would be to gradually reduce the upgrade time/costs of structures as new ones are released.
January 2nd, 2015
syedthameem

i dont understand this point of urs (- Allow clan members to build for each other) how clan member help to build each other??
for this idea (- enlarge the initial clan castle, so that weaker players can take more advantage of strong troops) i will suggest .... castle size must be same from lvl 1 to lvl 6 castle.... in upgrades... it should upgrade only .... war bonus storages.....

as said by Dahimi.... (The best way to do this would be to gradually reduce the upgrade time/costs of structures as new ones are released.).... that is best idea... to reduce upgrade time... 12 days etc are very long.... make is max 8 days...
January 2nd, 2015
Kirrily

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The best way to do this would be to gradually reduce the upgrade time/costs of structures as new ones are released.

Agreed. And note that when supercell release new troop/spell levels, sometimes the time it takes for the research to finish DOES lower for the former levels. Hope that made sense...
January 2nd, 2015
dahimi

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Originally Posted by syedthameem

as said by Dahimi.... (The best way to do this would be to gradually reduce the upgrade time/costs of structures as new ones are released.).... that is best idea... to reduce upgrade time... 12 days etc are very long.... make is max 8 days...

That's not what I said. It's more like if level X of tower takes 12 days, when they release level X + 1 of that tower, it should take 12 days and the previous one drops to say 10 days or something.

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Originally Posted by Kirrily

Agreed. And note that when supercell release new troop/spell levels, sometimes the time it takes for the research to finish DOES lower for the former levels. Hope that made sense...

They do, do it sometimes. It's not consistently though, and often times they don't reduce the time requirements. What I'd like SC to do is to keep the amount of time required to max your base somewhat consistent regardless of how many structures or levels of structures they add.

So for example when the game launched if it took 1 year to go from start to a max TH8, I'd like to see TH10 also take a year even though tons of new structures and levels for those structures were released. Furthermore I'd like to see the times weighted more toward the later updates. For example maybe it'd take a couple months to get max TH8, and then 9 more months to go from a max TH8 to a max TH10.
January 2nd, 2015
Spurs978

So that they don't have to put in as much time and effort as we did? no. We would be better off creating another server for people to play on or something.
January 2nd, 2015
NeonFire15

I don't like the idea, simply because it would make all the work those of us who have spent 2-3 years playing less impressive. if you want to speed things up, use gems. New players should grow at the same rate I did.
January 2nd, 2015
dahimi

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Originally Posted by Spurs978

So that they don't have to put in as much time and effort as we did? no. We would be better off creating another server for people to play on or something.

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Originally Posted by NeonFire15

I don't like the idea, simply because it would make all the work those of us who have spent 2-3 years playing less impressive. if you want to speed things up, use gems. New players should grow at the same rate I did.

I'd much rather have a larger selection of targets to choose from without loot penalty as a TH10, than worry about how impressive my base seems.

Why would you place more value on appearance than actual game play?

When was the last time you were genuinely worried about what people who were TH8 were doing? Who cares?
January 2nd, 2015
TheMan131505

I'd love to give my weaker clan mates some resources when my storages are full. Love the idea.
January 2nd, 2015
dahimi

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Originally Posted by TheMan131505

I'd love to give my weaker clan mates some resources when my storages are full. Love the idea.

Resource donation is ruled out. It would break the game.
January 2nd, 2015
NeonFire15

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Originally Posted by dahimi

I'd much rather have a larger selection of targets to choose from without loot penalty as a TH10, than worry about how impressive my base seems.

Why would you place more value on appearance than actual game play?

When was the last time you were genuinely worried about what people who were TH8 were doing? Who cares?

I don't agree, possibly because im not a th 10, and spend many hours on CoC per day. I have no problem with people gemming to become better, because this benefits SC, but making it easier to grow for free? I don't see it.
As for the appearance, its a game only played to become better. I want to be given credit for the time ive invested, not have people play for a month or two and become just as good as me. Call it an issue of pride.
January 2nd, 2015
dahimi

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Originally Posted by NeonFire15

I don't agree, possibly because im not a th 10, and spend many hours on CoC per day. I have no problem with people gemming to become better, because this benefits SC, but making it easier to grow for free? I don't see it.

It's more about allowing people who start today to catch up to those who started a few years ago. Doing this is pretty much impossible with the current state of things.

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Originally Posted by NeonFire15

As for the appearance, its a game only played to become better. I want to be given credit for the time ive invested, not have people play for a month or two and become just as good as me.

I never said that. In fact I distinctly indicated that the time should be strongly weighted toward the later TH levels. Meaning you get to some sort of base TH level such as 8 quickly, and the bulk of the remaining time would be spent on the higher level things. Essentially if you had been playing for year, you'd be 9 months ahead of someone who just started. It'd also be gradual. The reductions would only occur when SC releases new levels of things. This doesn't happen very often.
January 2nd, 2015
NeonFire15

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Originally Posted by dahimi

It's more about allowing people who start today to catch up to those who started a few years ago. Doing this is pretty much impossible with the current state of things.

I never said that. In fact I distinctly indicated that the time should be strongly weighted toward the later TH levels. Meaning you get to some sort of base TH level such as 8 quickly, and the bulk of the remaining time would be spent on the higher level things. Essentially if you had been playing for year, you'd be 9 months ahead of someone who just started. It'd also be gradual. The reductions would only occur when SC releases new levels of things. This doesn't happen very often.

I was exaggerating, but I see where you're coming from. I still don't agree with it but hey that's forums for ya :)
January 3rd, 2015
Spurs978

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Originally Posted by dahimi

I'd much rather have a larger selection of targets to choose from without loot penalty as a TH10, than worry about how impressive my base seems.
Why would you place more value on appearance than actual game play?

When was the last time you were genuinely worried about what people who were TH8 were doing? Who cares?

I care. It should take the new people the same amount as effort as me to reach where I am at.
January 3rd, 2015
ariman88

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Originally Posted by NeonFire15

I don't agree, possibly because im not a th 10, and spend many hours on CoC per day. I have no problem with people gemming to become better, because this benefits SC, but making it easier to grow for free? I don't see it.
As for the appearance, its a game only played to become better. I want to be given credit for the time ive invested, not have people play for a month or two and become just as good as me. Call it an issue of pride.

I actually think Dahimi has a really great idea - an equalizer without totally changing the game, as would the option of resource donation.

NeonFire - most people I know wouldn't pay for gems, there are enough free games. I'm not saying they should reach TH lv 10 in two months, but if it takes half a year to reach TH lv 8 (meaning this is the time it would take for them to not be useless in wars), I have no reason to try and get my friends to play.

Reducing the build time until TH Lv 8 - I'm for it!
January 4th, 2015
bellahainey

You underestimate your friends :). I've run two accounts to th8 and one to th7 since 18th Oct, the 8s have had the odd 2.99 gem pack, the 7 nothing at all. Not rushed, full lab and buildings levels. I like seeing those ahead, something to aim for and borrow troops from!