Introduction to Trading and Trading Ratios

Hello everyone!

After receiving some comments from some trade partners regarding how they are confused about the trading ratios, i would like to start a thread about tips and tricks of trading.

I am calling for everyone's support to make updated footnotes regarding the ever changing dynamics of Hayday economics.

What is a ratio?

A ratio basically explains how many items i am offering for every item i will be getting from you.

A one to one ratio means i will offer one item for each item i get from you. "My ten nails for your ten screws" is a trade offer at 1:1 ratio. Generally used when conducting a trade between two items of same type.

If someone says "mine : yours" it means they will be offering the first quantity before the divident for each item you will sell them or the other way around.

Example:
3 saws : 1 sem
They are offering 3 saws for every silo expansion item you are selling.
1 sem : 2 lem
They are expecting to get 2 land expansion materials in return of each silo item they sell.
Ratios are generally presented in the mine : yours format, not yours : mine format.

Try to be as clear as possible when writing down your ratios. If needed give some examples to support your ratio. A clear and understandable offer will attract more customers. I would definitely pick the offer of someone who seems to know what they are doing.

Coins: Do they have anything to do with the ratio?

Not really. The negotiation for coins are done separately. If someone needs the items urgently they might offer to sell for one coin and buy at maximum price. Make sure you negotiate pricing as well. High level players might sell at one coin to attract low level players. You can also simply sell your expansion items for a few diamond rings for example, to make profit over sales of a rare item.
Also, most players trade at default to make things easier. If you are selling at 2:1 ratio, it means you sell two items per one you get, and you will sell twice as much as your trade partner. If you had bought those items on DD for maximum price you will end up losing coins.

Aw Madeleine you are my hero haha. Thank you for this thought out post. I'm sure a lot of forumers (including me) will find this very helpful. 5/5 stars :o

Please note that HD market is very prone to change, and although my ratios are here to give an idea to the absolute beginners, you may find what's best for you with trial and error. If you have no replies despite multiple trade as your offer could be too high. Or if you have too many people replying may be your offer is too low.

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Trading the same kind is always easy. Bems for bems and sems for sems get most replies. I always offer 1:1 for same type of expansion items because it is most fair. Sometimes there are conspiracy theories about getting less planks. That's not the case, unless there is an official announcement by Nick or other SC stuff. (There was once an axe drop rate problem and SC had fixed that) Each player gets different amounts of each expansion item but the total number in the pool more or less stays the same. Oh, of course there is a possibility that most forum members here might have a scarcity of planks but elsewhere someone will have an abundance of them. In my opinion 3 duct tapes or bolts for 2 planks gets most replies whereas 2:1 could be a bit unfair. Still, I have had conducted many 1:1 trades for bolt/duct tape for plank trades as well.
( Of course if you want to conduct things faster you can offer two for every one item you get. Such trades are finished much faster than any. But those who offer their 10 nails for 20 screws might see their ad lingering on the trading thread for a long time.)

Bems and Sems: Generally the ratio is 1 bem for every 2 sem you get because a big barn is the coolest thing you can establish on Hayday. :) Plus expanding your silo more than your barn can be hard since you need to store more SEMs in a rather small barn. It is a bit hard to sell SEMs for BEMs but not impossible.

Lems: Young players who love designing their farm love getting lems, and if you are a high level player who doesn't need them any more then you two are the perfect match. The ratio varies from 1:1 to 1:4, even 1:5. Well i generally sell two lems for one sem or bem. Most people offer 1:4 for lem/bem trades tho. And i get many people texting me on kik so i think that's a fine ratio. One problem could be some young players might not have coins so even if you sell at default you are losing coins because you are selling twice as much. (Considering you buy some of them at maximum price) We had a map crisis but since sc had fixed that maps are back to the trade market and i could say the ratios are pretty similar to lems.

Tems: Well, how to put this. I wish you all good luck, those offering tems for barn materials but their beauty has faded away long ago. Now that i see hand drills sadly standing on stalls for hours. Because the gift shop was introduced most recently, stone blocks and hammers can still sell, may be for saws or metal bars though. Or silo items, may be. Surely it is a bit hard to trade them for bems. The days are over when people were offering multiple bems for each tem. But, you could always try your chances, i have seen some people offering 6 to 10 hammers for a plank. Such low ratios might work but again for a good outcome you need many tems and face the risk of losing coins if you trade at default.

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Originally Posted by Kristen145

Aw Madeleine you are my hero haha. Thank you for this thought out post. I'm sure a lot of forumers (including me) will find this very helpful. 5/5 stars :o

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I hope you get it now :D

I think it can be reasonable to offer a ratio even on a BEM for BEM trade, if you need the items and have a surplus. They aren't trying to "trick" you. They're just charging what the market will bear. Maybe they need tapes as much as I need planks, but with the current shortage, someone will give them 2:3 or 1:2, so they'll get their tapes, but I won't get my planks if I hold out for 1:1. If I really need to expand, it's worth it to me to offer a ratio.

I'll also add that Android players may need to offer more generous ratios, just to get people to trade. A lot of traders don't want to mess with Facebook or neighborhoods, unless there's an incentive.

Nice thread. Just to give an idea, I'll post a trade I pulled lately.
I traded:
54 brown sugar
126 white sugar
29 syrup
75 cream
60 butter
58 cheese
61 goat cheese
21 soups
39 jams
10 candles
10 soy sauces for a total of 238 SEMs.

I think it was a little short comparing to my expensive ratios, but hey a trade containing almost 800 items is always open to a bargain. :)

I trade LEMs for SEMs and BEMs somewhere between 2:1, 5:2 & 4:1, 5:1.
For saws/axes I traded 5:1 to 8:1.
I don't offer a ratio less than 1 for BEM to BEM or SEM to SEM.
I usually try to be fair if the counter party is unexperienced in trading. No reason to rip them off because of their lack of experience. :)

And I suggest the lower level people producing lots of cheese and syrup to trade for LEMs. I have opened all of my fishing and farm area by trading dairy and sugar products for LEMs in my late 20s. High level players love to get rid of their LEMs for sweet things. :)
You'll have a full inbox if you offer 50 Cheese for 15 of each LEMs.

Trading during events

Everyone has their own way of playing Hayday and making a decision to participate in an event or not is no exception.

If you are ambitiously looking for expansion items, events might be a good opportunity for you!

High level players who want to make it to the global leaderboard or help out friends with event items might come out with really good offers in the trading thread.

During the past muffin and sewing machine events, items were negotiated up to 2 muffins per screw/bolt and if you think you might skip global prizes for expansion items such an offer might work for you.. And the size of your silo or barn!

Great guide, Madeleine. I wasn't expecting it tbh ;). I had to figure this stuff out the hard way (sort of felt like my first experience at the black jack table amidst a group of experts) but you really did a great job putting it all down simply & succinctly. Well done!

Hi Madeleine,
I have read some threading offer stating "offer me a ratio". The stuff they offered and the stuff they asked were not in the same category (BEM to BEM or SEM to SEM, etc). So how do we respond, what ratio, not sure how trading market fluctuate the ratio? Thanks!

IME, if they say "offer me a ratio," they mean they don't know what a good ratio is, either.

Often, this means they are open to bargaining.

Personally, I would recommend against saying "Offer me a ratio." Many people are hesitant to respond. They want to know specifics. What items, how many, what ratio, and whether you are using FB, GC, or NH. The more details you offer, the more likely you are to get response.

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Originally Posted by Janilee

IME, if they say "offer me a ratio," they mean they don't know what a good ratio is, either.

Often, this means they are open to bargaining.

Personally, I would recommend against saying "Offer me a ratio." Many people are hesitant to respond. They want to know specifics. What items, how many, what ratio, and whether you are using FB, GC, or NH. The more details you offer, the more likely you are to get response.

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Janilee has already explained it very well.
You must be very specific in your trade offer, personally speaking i would cast out all the "offer me a ratio" trades since i do not want to find myself bargaining like a peasant in the Silky Road.

STILL, let's say you really need ten planks and someone is saying offer me a ratio for their ten planks, first check out what they are looking for. Sems? Bems? Saws? I tried to explain the recent trends in market ratios above. Make up your mind and do not go below your predefined ratio, and if you will be selling more than one item per one you will buy think about the coins you will lose if you trade at default too.

Soon i will add trading for axes saws and metal bars, but now i got to move my lady bits and go to jogging :)

Trick of the day:

When you are trading, and had advertised on dd shortly before, yet cannot make sure whether there is someone still hanging on your shop or not:

I had placed one town expansion item on my RSS on such an occasion as a bait for the shopper. The shopper immediately bought it, thus saving me from a possible loss of ten duct tapes. We waited with my neighbour for a little more, i didnt collect the money to give an idle image, the shopper probably thought the tem was the best rare item he could get and he was gone.

Trading metal bars, saws and axes:

Sometimes players might need metal bars for personal train upgrade in town or a massive cleaning of their dead orchard with plenty of saws and axes. Even by hiring Tom the extended levels of personal train upgrade takes time considering the increment goes by 5-10-15-...25-... in each upgrade. And sometimes people end up with a hundred plus dead trees in their orchard due to.. Bad decisions in life.

That's when such trades are needed and they might be offering their expansion items to get these!

Here are the current market ratios:

1 barn expansion item is generally worth three axes or saws, and the ratio might go up to 1:4, i had seen 1:5 but during these days everyone is looking for axes so the ratio has sort of dropped down.
You might be asked for less items in return if you agree upon a big trade say including 50 axes.

1 silo expansion item is generally worth 2 axes or saws.

1 land expansion item is generally worth 1 axe or saw.

The same ratios pretty much goes for metal bars, especially for iron and coal which are asked for each personal train upgrade. Gold bars are generally least needed.

You might of course stumble upon a much better trade offer if the player is willing to conduct a fast trade. Or you might lower down your expectations if you are looking forward for a fast upgrade.

Happy farming !

Sometimes pick axes and shovels can be traded for BEMs and SEMs due to their high levels of diamond drop rate and ore supply.

Recent ratios go as follows:

1 BEM for 2-3 pick axes or 3-4 shovels
1 SEM for 2 pick axes of 3 shovels

The ratios are quite similar to the ratios of axes & saws for BEMs and SEMs since Tom can get the explosives as well as axes and saws and metal bars.

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Originally Posted by myso

Nice thread. Just to give an idea, I'll post a trade I pulled lately.
I traded:
54 brown sugar
126 white sugar
29 syrup
75 cream
60 butter
58 cheese
61 goat cheese
21 soups
39 jams
10 candles
10 soy sauces for a total of 238 SEMs.

I think it was a little short comparing to my expensive ratios, but hey a trade containing almost 800 items is always open to a bargain. :)

I trade LEMs for SEMs and BEMs somewhere between 2:1, 5:2 & 4:1, 5:1.
For saws/axes I traded 5:1 to 8:1.
I don't offer a ratio less than 1 for BEM to BEM or SEM to SEM.
I usually try to be fair if the counter party is unexperienced in trading. No reason to rip them off because of their lack of experience. :)

And I suggest the lower level people producing lots of cheese and syrup to trade for LEMs. I have opened all of my fishing and farm area by trading dairy and sugar products for LEMs in my late 20s. High level players love to get rid of their LEMs for sweet things. :)
You'll have a full inbox if you offer 50 Cheese for 15 of each LEMs.

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Thanks a lot for sharing your exceptional trade experience. Actually i would like to hear more from those who trade food items for expansions!

Lately I have been receiving pm's and KIK im's from people, especially newbies who have been scammed during a trade.

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What is scamming?
If your trade partner fails to give you the items they had promised, that's most likely scamming.

Still, I would suggest you to calm down and try to contact your trade partner. At the very moment of trading they might have had some real life urgencies or technical problems related to their device or connection.

I always make sure my battery is enough before conducting a trade and if I am up to some "real life" venture I just tell the trade partner I am busy / will be back.

Do not conduct trades in a hurry. You might do something wrong like attaching an AD.

If the trade partner avoids you by removing you from GC, FB and not making any further contacts within the next day you are most likely scammed.

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How to avoid being scammed?

If you are conducting a trade with a brand new trade partner and it includes more than 10 items, offer trading ten by ten. It will take time but reduce the risk.

Trade with people who are clear about their ratios and what they are looking for:
Generally such scammers are greedy and will approach bigger trades, like 50 bolts, 40 saws etc. They might agree on funny ratios like 15 axes for 15 nails which we don't see quite often in the trading thread. Check their previous messages. Do they seem too promising? Have they been trading many different items, all in stacks of, despite their low level? Do they insist on you to put your items on your stall first? None of these is a solid proof that someone is a scammer of course but in trading we are on our own and once you notice the signs I would suggest to break it off immediately.

Traders with real fb accounts or gc traders are no guarantee either. I have seen people scamming with their real Facebook account, with their real name and picture exposed to the people they scammed. They seem to be okay with it.

Lower level trades first is a measure taken by many traders however i have heard about newbies being scammed by slightly higher level players so there is no guarantee.

Please do not post in the trading thread about the scammer. There is a no name and shame rule in the forums and it can result in the canceling out of the trading thread for good.

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What if your partner gets their items stolen during the trade?

To avoid this please tell your partner to make sure they have had no AD on their shop during the last 15 minutes or so. Also advice your partner to remove any followers if they practice trading frequently. Even when there is no ADs or followers, people may like you via Facebook and come back to your farm and scam you. You don't necessarily have to connect your FB to HD for this to happen.

If your partner gets idle during the trade kindly ask someone from your Neighbourhood to secure the items. You have to act fast. (This had happened to me once and the items were saved thanks to my nh friend. My trade partner had lost his connection)

Collect your money from your last stall if you want to keep the followers. Seeing the valuable items sitting on last stall will attract scammers.

Even after all measures taken, if your partner gets scammed, and you are not able to get your promised items, kindly offer to have your items back or share them. Vice versa for your items being stolen.

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I am accused of being a scammer. What shall I do?

When trading, you may get get a screenshot of your RSS after the items had been bought by the partner. If you are selling more than 10, put each stack on the stall before starting from the last stall. Wait before the stack of items are taken by your partner and make sure the popping id belongs to them. After you finish selling your items you may take a screenshot proving you have sold let's say forty items to your partner successfully.

There is no name and shame rule here in forums but if the word spreads in small circles you may use this as a defense.

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I don't care! I will keep on scamming!

Well, the thing is you can have one GC account and one Facebook account at a time. If you keep on scamming, the word will spread in small circles and no one will be trading with you. Besides, having a trusted partnership, or friendship will get you so much more benefit than trying to scam people. That was my two Japanese Yens :)

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I hope everyone plays HD fairly.
Cheers

Thank you MadeleineAkaino for your detailed introduction to trading and trading ratios and also myso/Janilee for sharing your experiences regarding trading. ^_^

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Originally Posted by MadeleineAkaino

Hello everyone!

After receiving some comments from some trade partners regarding how they are confused about the trading ratios, i would like to start a thread about tips and tricks of trading.

I am calling for everyone's support to make updated footnotes regarding the ever changing dynamics of Hayday economics.

What is a ratio?

A ratio basically explains how many items i am offering for every item i will be getting from you.

A one to one ratio means i will offer one item for each item i get from you. "My ten nails for your ten screws" is a trade offer at 1:1 ratio. Generally used when conducting a trade between two items of same type.

If someone says "mine : yours" it means they will be offering the first quantity before the divident for each item you will sell them or the other way around.

Example:
3 saws : 1 sem
They are offering 3 saws for every silo expansion item you are selling.
1 sem : 2 lem
They are expecting to get 2 land expansion materials in return of each silo item they sell.
Ratios are generally presented in the mine : yours format, not yours : mine format.

Try to be as clear as possible when writing down your ratios. If needed give some examples to support your ratio. A clear and understandable offer will attract more customers. I would definitely pick the offer of someone who seems to know what they are doing.

Coins: Do they have anything to do with the ratio?

Not really. The negotiation for coins are done separately. If someone needs the items urgently they might offer to sell for one coin and buy at maximum price. Make sure you negotiate pricing as well. High level players might sell at one coin to attract low level players. You can also simply sell your expansion items for a few diamond rings for example, to make profit over sales of a rare item.
Also, most players trade at default to make things easier. If you are selling at 2:1 ratio, it means you sell two items per one you get, and you will sell twice as much as your trade partner. If you had bought those items on DD for maximum price you will end up losing coins.

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Wow Thank You Özgü :) You really do have a talent for explaining things so well. I'm impressed... thank you again for your explanation.

Hi everyone

I'm recently into trading my land expansion items for saws, axes and other food products. Other products include lobster, fish, cheese and goat cheese.

By trading this way not only i help very low players who can barely make cheese or goat cheese but i also get some dairy boost in return. Sometimes high level players buy them from me for candles, jewelry, lobster etc.

They are also good for saws and axes. So when i am short on them or my Neighbourhood needs them i trade my LEMs at 1:1 rate. Thus i don't need Tom at all. My land expansions are my Tom.

1:1 is a good and fair rate as i get many offers and since most players asking for LEM are at a lower level than me i am not draining their resources.

SC has done a great job fixing the map issue and now DD is clear of them. I see they are already back to their valued place in the trading market.

The ratios for maps are pretty much similar to other land expansion items now: Deeds, Mallets and Stakes.

Average ratios for maps that i recommend:

Map for other LEM - 1:1
Map for SEM - 2:1 (two maps for one sem)
Map for BEM - 4:1 (four maps for one bem)
Map for saw/axe/mining tool - 1:1

When I have an ad on something and I want to trade, I always use single raspberries or apples at default price instead of wheat. I was able to catch a handful of regular shoppers that might intrude my trade. :)

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Originally Posted by MadeleineAkaino

Thank you, now if i edit my post and change the word lurker, will you please delete the comments so this thread stays minimal and easy to go through? :)

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I did not realize private forum thread. Deleted my posts and will not read thread.

I'm sorry if I antagonize anyone with my comment, but after read this thread, I can hold my disdain no longer.

While teaching newbies about trading and how to understand the symbolism in ads used for trading should be commended, posting suggested trade ratios restricts the objective of free trade. A person should be able to set their own ratios for trading items of unequal value.

However, this thread in making suggestions, curtails people's notions of trading prices, by representing this thread as the ultimate authority. While it is not directly intended to be that, many newbies will interpret it that way.

If you need example, one need look no further than the 1938 radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds". Even though on 4 occasions they announced that the show was a dramatization and not real, ppl heard what they wanted to hear and drove many into a panic.

Well, I think many ppl will read this thread and think the ratios are the approved ratios, when in truth the ratios are driven by what the market is, based on the fluctuating availability of EM's and tools.

Another good example is maps. When this thread was started, maps were in an over abundance. Now maps are in short supply. Same could be said about axes. In the past, they were hard to come by, so the trading price was somewhat higher than they are now and as there has been a leveling out of axes as rewards, so has the ratio in trades.

Madeleine, while I understand you desire to construct this thread, I do suggest caution in quoting ratio prices, lest it cause a collapse of trading due to a differencing of opinions between trading parties over the value of the items they are trading.

Myself, personally, if I'm confused as to the ratio in which to trade a certain item for a dissimilar item, I consult other trading partners in private. When others consult me, I review resources available to me, giving them a suggested ratio or i tell them I don't know. But the one thing I don't do is quote ratios that other people can or can't use in my NH or in open forum. The only ratios i ever quote in open forum is the ratio I'm using for the item I'm trading. Otherwise, I defeat the purpose of free trade.

I will add this as info for newbies or anyone.

The forums tradingthread is not a real market. So look at it as any swap meet/flea market or what they are called around the world. Most will try to get most value for themselves, and all new can try to do the same. Competition is the only way to find out what's best possible. It's all about supply and demand, and the best way to find out values/ratios, is by testing out the market.

If you make a post and noone react on it, the value/ratio you offer is probably not good enough, or noone is interested in swapping the items you would like to swap. If things happen fast and many contact you, your offer is to good for others than you.

Look back a lot of pages, to get an idea about what is possible. Things that was possible earlier, will often be possible again, if nothing else like a new update, have changed the way players look at values. There's really nothing right or wrong, it's all about testing things out about what's possible and learning. Anything is as such possible, some things just more than others.

All ratios mentioned here, are the posters opinion about right now. It can very well be possible to do better, by testing things out.

Thank you for your comments. Yes, maps had almost zero value when i had started the thread so after SC had fixed it i have added another comment here regarding the comeback of maps into the market. But yes may be i should edit the first posts about maps.

My ratios are never meant to dictate anything, they are just there to give an idea to the absolute newbie :) May be, i can edit the post by telling at the very top that "these are only some suggestions and may change through time, and you are free to go with the trial and error in the market"

Edit: i have edited my first posts :)

Thank you very much, Willie & Thobi, for your insightful & intelligent posts. I sincerely appreciate the comments you both posted. We need more players to understand that the trading market is driven by supply & demand economics. Players are not being "greedy" or "unfair" when they offer unequal ratios for expansion materials. They are offering a market value. If everyone is looking for the same piece of expansion material, then there is an uneven supply available. Therefore, that material has a higher market value & players will ask for a higher trading ratio, such as 2:1. Of course, players can set whatever ratios upon which they agree. However, it is unfair to assume that a player is "greedy" or "not a fair trader" because their ratios are uneven. There are no "standardized" ratios. The market values drive them. The trading thread has laid out some pretty clear guidelines for trading that were established long ago. Everyone should read the first page of the trading thread prior to posting in the trading thread.

Thank you for making this thread, it should be very useful to the lower level players who are new to trading. However, at the end of the day the ratio is up to the 2 people trading. This thread just outlines the basic ratios of trading and should be reviewed prior to creating your own post in the trading thread.

Hi everyone!

After the tweaking of map drop rates by SC, I had been keeping an eye on the trading thread for a while.

Last week i had seen some 1:1 offers for planks, the seemingly most popular BEM. And the trades were done pretty quickly. So i had offered 13 maps for planks and got a couple of trade offers immediately! It is so hard to trade any other LEM for planks at 1:1 ratio.

Once invaded the DD and people were desperate to get rid of them, maps are now seemingly the most precious EM.

IMPORTANT NOTICE:
Always beware of scammers and for safety do not trade more than 10 items at once. When conducting big trades, do it ten by ten for each trader. Even a person who has some "presence" in the forums might turn up to be a scammer. You get my point :) There is some advice on this thread to protect yourself against scammers.

Hi everyone!

After new plots of land became available after the last update, land expansion items have finally scraped free off their "on hiatus" status on the trading market. Not short ago, they were being offered at ratios like 8:1 or even 9:1 for barn expansions and 6:1 for silo expansions! I myself had to drop my ratios for LEM / saws or LEM / axes trades. As more people level up and fully expand they stop looking for LEMs and start offering them into the market and fierce competition begins :D

However, if you think you can hang on there a little bit and postpone your land expansion, this is the perfect time. There are a lot of perfectionists out there who desperately need LEMs, or people like me who simply ran out of land. There are so many land plots to be unlocked that even the most prepared player needs them at the moment. The ratios are really high. I saw Bem for Lem even at 1:1 ratio and i myself had offered 1:1 for Sem for Lem trades.

Happy farming & fair trading all!

If you try to collect increasingly large numbers of BEMs, SEMs, LEMs and even TEMs at once, and even metal bars for trains, it's just soul-destroying. When I was about level 30 I came across somebody higher than me who would take any SEMs that I had for precisely the LEMs and maps that I wanted, at a 2-1 ratio in my favour. It was the perfect scheme for me as my barn only ever filled up with BEMs and I did my land in really quick time. It also didn't matter what distribution of LEM or SEM that I collected myself. Most people find BEMs harder to collect anyway so letting your silo go for a while really doesn't cause a problem.

i guess with the recent introduction of new land now isn't the best time to start but once things settle down a little there will be plenty of people willing to help this kind of approach again...

I still don't get understand abt this ratio hayday. Need an explanations.

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Originally Posted by Officialamoy

I still don't get understand abt this ratio hayday. Need an explanations.

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Hello and welcome to the forum.

This is a very old thread. The information contained in it is likely to be out of date and inaccurate. It was initially intended to help farmers who choose to use the trading thread. You will find that here: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...-%28part-12%29

This thread needs to be closed.

*Cowslips* has given the link to the Trading Thread. If you read the first page, then skip to the last few pages you will get a better understanding of trading.

You can either choose to contact the person who has advertised to trade or you can post your own trade. Most of us use a third party App called KIK to organise the trade.

If you read the last few pages of that thread, you'll get a better idea of what the most successful ratios are, but it's up to you what you advertise. You'll soon work out that advertising (Your) Eggs 1:1 (Their) Planks isn't going to get you any trades! But Bolts 1:1 Tapes will.

Pointless necro.

Closed.