"Loot is easier to get at town hall 8 than town hall 9"

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Originally Posted by SpeeDemonF430

I would argue that TH7 can get loot easier than at TH8 and higher.

The thing is that at TH9 you only have 3 options for targets.

1). Same Level aka TH9
2). One Lower aka TH8
3). One Higher TH10

There are alot more TH 8s than TH9 and TH10s.

TH7 you have even more opportunities.

1). Same Level aka TH7
2). One Above aka TH8
3). Two Above aka TH9
4). One Lower aka TH6

There are tons of TH6-TH8 players.

There are quite a few new or rushed TH9 which makes for easy pickings for a mid TH7.

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Some things OP seems to be forgetting.
Lower troop costs, smaller camps, and thus shorter training times. Even if barching, 200 lv5 costs less than half of 240 lv7.

200 lv5 can still make a dent in a reasonable th8, wheras unless using big heroes or loads spells, 240 lv7 are only going to tickle the edges of a comparable th10.

If (god forbid), you see a th8 inactive/collector raid, the th8 will see 100% of it, the th10 only 50%.
The higher league bonus farming of the higher town halls is our way of getting around this. Less nexting past THs too low, and a substitute for loot that isnt there or cant be reached. Not ideal, would much rather see loaded th9s, but theres not enough to go around.

In short, the increased offensive power of any higher TH, is usually more than compensated for by the higher costs, and reduction in viable targets due to loot penalty.

See? Not just another th10 saying 8s have it easy, a proper explanation as to why.

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Originally Posted by lolnopound

This is a statement that I've seen around the forum, and it's completely untrue.

Loot is much easier to get at town hall 9 than town hall 8.

Town hall 9 gets level 6 barch.

Town hall 9 get 20 extra army camp space.

Town hall 9 gets the archer queen.

WHO CARES about the loot penalty? You unlock so much huge attacking power at town hall 9 it more than mitigates the loot penalty. These troops are also strong enough to push to much higher leagues so you can get more dark elixir and league bonuses.

Town hall 9 has an easier time getting loot than town hall 8. Assuming you've kept up with your troop upgrades.

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I agree, my best loot per hour always was TH9. Especially DE. But I found there is no drop off on gold/elixir either.

I don't know why players insist on overstaying at TH8.

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Originally Posted by daz258

I agree, my best loot per hour always was TH9. Especially DE. But I found there is no drop off on gold/elixir either.

I don't know why players insist on overstaying at TH8.

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I dont get why people overstay either, but, i feel i must make a sweeping generalisation/assumption here.

Loot per hour is mostly a fixation of th9 and 10. Theres no real grinding involved at th8. If you only make 1m gold p/h, thats your most expensive upgrade paid for in 3 hours.

From what ive seen, you dont get the same kind of addiction/game time/grinding at th8, because its just not necessary.

While my mostly inactive 2nd account was th8, I'd come back to find 4 sleeping builders and idle lab. Applying the same kind of barch grind as i do at th10, id have them all busy within matter of hours. Thats multiple millions of gold and elix, with little or no boosting.

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Originally Posted by Superfinch30

I dont get why people overstay either, but, i feel i must make a sweeping generalisation/assumption here.

Loot per hour is mostly a fixation of th9 and 10. Theres no real grinding involved at th8. If you only make 1m gold p/h, thats your most expensive upgrade paid for in 3 hours.

From what ive seen, you dont get the same kind of addiction/game time/grinding at th8, because its just not necessary.

While my mostly inactive 2nd account was th8, I'd come back to find 4 sleeping builders and idle lab. Applying the same kind of barch grind as i do at th10, id have them all busy within matter of hours. Thats multiple millions of gold and elix, with little or no boosting.

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That too is fair point. While TH8 is where the game starts to get tougher, it's nothing compared to TH9 grinding.

1.) It is really easy. If you are a th8 attacking only th7s or barching inactives, then it will be harder for you at th9 because barch does not get much stronger, but much more expensive. Dont expect that you can barch the high th8s like you barch the high th7s now.
If you are already raiding th8 Storages with giants, it will get very much easier for you. You only get 10% less loot from th8s, but get the queen and lvl6 giants that are 40% stronger without much more costs. In Addition with 2 lvl6 drills and attacking harder bases, you will get much more dark elixir. Using some hogs or valkyries in Addition to your farming army because an Option which makes you again stronger and reduces build time because you have 6 buildings working instead of 4.

2.) On the other hand your defenses will get much more expensive (about double the price) which means you have to attack more often per building. The real grinding is for those that think the need to max their walls, because th9 gets 2 Levels. The last one is 3 Million instead of 500K for th8, but this is optional. My advice is to only upgrade the new walls, but do all defenses first. If you want you can still max your walls if you are done with def.

You wrote th8 gets better loot than th9 and you say the opposite needs to be fixed

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Originally Posted by lolnopound

This is a statement that I've seen around the forum, and it's completely untrue.

Loot is much easier to get at town hall 9 than town hall 8.

Town hall 9 gets level 6 barch.

Town hall 9 get 20 extra army camp space.

Town hall 9 gets the archer queen.

WHO CARES about the loot penalty? You unlock so much huge attacking power at town hall 9 it more than mitigates the loot penalty. These troops are also strong enough to push to much higher leagues so you can get more dark elixir and league bonuses.

Town hall 9 has an easier time getting loot than town hall 8. Assuming you've kept up with your troop upgrades.

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The thing is (and bearing in mind I was very premmie with a bonus for attacking a higher lvl TH10) I did notice a large drop in loot on offer going to TH9. I was shocked but it was at least 100K gold and elixir ( not combined)

The reason people say that it is a lot easier is because the pool of players you have to chose from is much greater. You do. This is a fact. I was genuinely taken aback last week when I was in gold 2 seeing TH7's with full collectors offering me 130K each DE. My brother attacked a TH7 tonight with full collectors and some loot in the storages.... his TH8 was offered 288K gold and 363K elixir. There is no way as a TH9 I would have ever had access to that loot from that TH7. I'm not saying that is normal for a TH7 to offer that amount of loot but there are THs out there with loot which I cannot raid for a profit.

the other factor about the troops.

Level 6 troops only have a small increase in dps. Their cost is much higher per unit. Plus we have more troops. So what you need to consider is
the loot penalty plus
the increase in troop cost
plus the increase in army size.
Plus the cost of nexting.

Yes the archer queen is great! Even better since she doesn't sleep for so long after getting knocked out in battle. Do not underestimate the amount of time you will spend upgrading her if you really want her to be useful.

The major advantage that TH9 does have over TH8s is that TH8s have 3 storages - TH9's have 4 making it harder to get the loot. However TH8s do not hold the same amount of loot as a TH9. You can calculate the amounts by looking at the maximum on offer - but is that a typical offering?

Th9 gives you giants lvl6 with 40% more strength but only 30% increased cost. At th8 I was using 8 wizards and one healer plus giant/archer. Now I am using barbarians instead of the wizards and the healer and I am still stronger. I have reduced my army cost by nearly 20% even with 220 troops and get more loot per attack. Also the build time has decreased from 40 minutes to 24 minutes.
The problem most players have is that they still try barching inactives at th9 and th10. This will not work well any more especially in the current loot situation.