Th 10 impossible to farm any more .

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Originally Posted by S3an

Sorry Pete, but repeated post saying the same incredulous comments require evidence to back it up or please stop posting such spam.

Most forumers have the same opinion that gathering loot to improve your TH10 has got a lot worse over the last year of updates. Why can't we state our dissatisfaction at the current situation?

We we are only trying to improve this game for the vast majority who play it. This is meant to be a game to waste spare time, not a second job playing hours a day to try and progress in it.

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My point exactly ! THANK YOU.

No one is "whining" about anything ,I'm sure that all those "suck it up " kind of hardcore gamers , hate nexting just as we do, but they r to proud to admit it .
Hopefully SC will read our feedback and do something about it .

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Originally Posted by JtB

Since I posted that I just got a 1.1 million raid. Like I told you guys, you are in the wrong trophy range.

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And what trophy range would that be?

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Originally Posted by Smalls

The topic of maxed heroes was brought up because farming now is not the same as it use to be. It's now an all storage raiding and league bonus method...which means heroes are more important than they use to be when it was all collector raids, all the time.

In no way did I mean to demean your accomplishments of 2 bil GG and max heroes. But you have to think in terms of a less dedicated player than yourself. Us freaks who farm constantly are the minority of clashers.

Well, regardless of all this, loot is WAY WAY WAY better today than it has been for me since the lix for walls update. If it stays like it is today where I can find a decent raid within 50 nexts I will be a happy clasher.

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ok...that's understandable...cheers smalls

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Originally Posted by JtB

Since I posted that I just got a 1.1 million raid. Like I told you guys, you are in the wrong trophy range.

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Stop telling people they're in the wrong trophy range when you haven't shared what range you're in. Also, ♥♥♥♥ about your 1 million loot raids unless you have the pics to back it up, saying that you share the replay in your clan and they all say another 1 million loot raid is not proof to us on the forums.

Plain and simple you are spamming and trolling this thread until you provide actual screenshots or replays.

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Originally Posted by zebra

You're wasting your time using facts and numbers on these fools.

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the poster u quoted made no mention of the actual earnings on the raid by stealing the villager's loot...he merely was speaking about the M3 league bonus ONLY compared to how much the army to raid that village costs...given his philosophy it will mean that the village he raided had absolutely NO loot...its that even realistic? explain to me how is that "facts" as you yourself said?

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Originally Posted by erethizon

Apparently you completely ignored the numbers I posted. 3 million in a few hours? I am getting 250k gold an hour and only a tiny fraction of that in elixir (since most of it is spent on troops).

As I pointed out in my earlier post, storage raids are not sustainable. Most storage raids have a net loss to the economy (because storage raids use expensive armies that the league bonus does not make up for). Giving everyone the advice to do storage raids simply won't work. The more people that do storage raids the worse they get for everyone because storage raids don't create loot. Raiding full collectors (or collectors that will become full before the owner gets around to logging in and clicking on them) and getting league bonuses creates loot. That is where the answer to the loot problem has to come from.

Transferring loot from one player's storage to another's will not help the economy at all. It has worked out well for you only because most players are like me. You can't have an ecosystem that is mostly predators. You need the majority of any ecosystem to be prey. No one that likes storage raiding actually wants all the prey to become fellow storage raiders. They give that advice because they have never even thought about what actually makes the economy work. We get entire threads about how to make everyone into storage raiders and these people come up with very good ideas to manipulate everyone into playing that way without spending one minute thinking whether you can really have a working economy made up entirely of thieves with no innocent people to rob. Loot has to come from somewhere. It does not come from storages. It is only stored there.

When you tell people to go out and "earn it" you actually mean the exact opposite. You don't mean earn it. You mean steal it from others. It is like going onto a message board where people are complaining about being unable to find jobs and telling them to stop being lazy and become thieves instead. Storage raiding is thievery. It is fine. It is part of the game. But thievery works primarily because most people are not thieves. In a world where everyone is a thief there is nothing created and thus little to steal. And thieves tend to be the best at protecting their valuables because they know what to look for. We don't want a game full of thieves. We want a game with a small percentage of thieves and a large percentage of people to rob. That means we need ways to get lots of loot without raiding storages so that storage raiders can steal it.

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This is one of the best posts on this forum in a long time. Explained well and hits the nail on its head.

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Originally Posted by erethizon

Apparently you completely ignored the numbers I posted. 3 million in a few hours? I am getting 250k gold an hour and only a tiny fraction of that in elixir (since most of it is spent on troops).

As I pointed out in my earlier post, storage raids are not sustainable. Most storage raids have a net loss to the economy (because storage raids use expensive armies that the league bonus does not make up for). Giving everyone the advice to do storage raids simply won't work. The more people that do storage raids the worse they get for everyone because storage raids don't create loot. Raiding full collectors (or collectors that will become full before the owner gets around to logging in and clicking on them) and getting league bonuses creates loot. That is where the answer to the loot problem has to come from.

Transferring loot from one player's storage to another's will not help the economy at all. It has worked out well for you only because most players are like me. You can't have an ecosystem that is mostly predators. You need the majority of any ecosystem to be prey. No one that likes storage raiding actually wants all the prey to become fellow storage raiders. They give that advice because they have never even thought about what actually makes the economy work. We get entire threads about how to make everyone into storage raiders and these people come up with very good ideas to manipulate everyone into playing that way without spending one minute thinking whether you can really have a working economy made up entirely of thieves with no innocent people to rob. Loot has to come from somewhere. It does not come from storages. It is only stored there.

When you tell people to go out and "earn it" you actually mean the exact opposite. You don't mean earn it. You mean steal it from others. It is like going onto a message board where people are complaining about being unable to find jobs and telling them to stop being lazy and become thieves instead. Storage raiding is thievery. It is fine. It is part of the game. But thievery works primarily because most people are not thieves. In a world where everyone is a thief there is nothing created and thus little to steal. And thieves tend to be the best at protecting their valuables because they know what to look for. We don't want a game full of thieves. We want a game with a small percentage of thieves and a large percentage of people to rob. That means we need ways to get lots of loot without raiding storages so that storage raiders can steal it.

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Except Clash doesnt want this. They want lots of predators so the predators have to spend money for gems. That's why there is no point about whining or arguing over a F2P game. F2P are the worst. Subscription games are vastly superior.

Play this game to kill some time, dont spend money on it....play a subscription game if you want a real game.

I am a maxed TH9 finishing up legos and have been all the way into masters and down to gold searching for loot. I have spent litterally millions in gold nexting and the loot is not there.

As a TH9 I almost always was able to get loot, even when things started to get bad I was still able to find enough loot to eek out a profit.

The changes SC has made are small steps in the right direction but overall the problem is much bigger than what they have addressed. Far too many players do NOT upgrade their collectors which makes the new collector level irrelevant. Also the way leagues are done now we treat them like going fishing. Your league (other than the top) has no bearing on your skill but rather where you think you can cast your line and get the best loot.

Until a meaningful change is made, there is no way I am moving to 10.

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Originally Posted by QueenBeeq

The changes SC has made are small steps in the right direction but overall the problem is much bigger than what they have addressed. Far too many players do NOT upgrade their collectors which makes the new collector level irrelevant. Also the way leagues are done now we treat them like going fishing. Your league (other than the top) has no bearing on your skill but rather where you think you can cast your line and get the best loot.

Until a meaningful change is made, there is no way I am moving to 10.

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The lack of upgraded collectors is a serious problem. While I am not really in favor of forcing people to upgrade them (as has been suggested in some threads) I would like to encourage people as much as possible. I would like to see an achievement added. I don't know what the first level of the achievement should be, but the 2 star should be for having 12 level 12 collectors and the third star should be for having 14 level 12 collectors. The third star should have its requirements upped every time new collectors or collector levels are added so that it always requires being maxed.

The other thing is that no collector upgrade should ever be longer than a single day (and even shorter wouldn't hurt). Long upgrade times are definitely one of the reasons people don't upgrade collectors. Any addition things we can think of to encourage collector upgrading is also welcomed. Perhaps having all the collectors maxed at your level would give a bonus to their collection rate. For example, if every collector is built and maxed for your level than all of the collectors gather 15%, or 50%, or even 100% more resources (that stacks with boosting). Whatever it takes to get almost everyone to max their collectors.

While I am not a fan of punishment in general even a punitive measure is better than nothing. Perhaps not having your collectors all built and maxed would result in an increase in the percentage of your storages that could be looted. This would make building and maxing collectors a high priority right when you get to a new town hall level as it would result in a decrease in how much is taken from you when raided.

I prefer the positive reinforcement over negative options, but whatever is takes to encourage people to build and upgrade all their collectors should be done. The vast majority of the loot in this game comes from the collectors of the players. Not having them upgraded is a huge problem, but under the current system having your own collectors fully upgraded just is not rewarding enough because raiding pays the bills for active players.

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Originally Posted by erethizon

The lack of upgraded collectors is a serious problem. While I am not really in favor of forcing people to upgrade them (as has been suggested in some threads) I would like to encourage people as much as possible. I would like to see an achievement added. I don't know what the first level of the achievement should be, but the 2 star should be for having 12 level 12 collectors and the third star should be for having 14 level 12 collectors. The third star should have its requirements upped every time new collectors or collector levels are added so that it always requires being maxed.

The other thing is that no collector upgrade should ever be longer than a single day (and even shorter wouldn't hurt). Long upgrade times are definitely one of the reasons people don't upgrade collectors. Any addition things we can think of to encourage collector upgrading is also welcomed. Perhaps having all the collectors maxed at your level would give a bonus to their collection rate. For example, if every collector is built and maxed for your level than all of the collectors gather 15%, or 50%, or even 100% more resources (that stacks with boosting). Whatever it takes to get almost everyone to max their collectors.

While I am not a fan of punishment in general even a punitive measure is better than nothing. Perhaps not having your collectors all built and maxed would result in an increase in the percentage of your storages that could be looted. This would make building and maxing collectors a high priority right when you get to a new town hall level as it would result in a decrease in how much is taken from you when raided.

I prefer the positive reinforcement over negative options, but whatever is takes to encourage people to build and upgrade all their collectors should be done. The vast majority of the loot in this game comes from the collectors of the players. Not having them upgraded is a huge problem, but under the current system having your own collectors fully upgraded just is not rewarding enough because raiding pays the bills for active players.

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I totally agree with people maxing out their collectors. If not for yourself but the economy. Even if a person collects loot frequently that 588k added to storages daily makes a bigger difference in storage raids than people with their level 8-9 collectors. Adds up over time.

Question is, if everyone actually did max collectors, will it make a significant improvement? The upgrade time sucks everyone can agree on that so unless they fix it I bet you no one will ever know.