Lavaloonion as a TH9 after update

Before the update I was using quattro lava loonion as a TH9 with great success. 2-3 starring most Th9's. My army comp was

4 Lava hounds lvl2
12-14 Loons lvl6
15-20 mins lvl5
6 CC loons lvl6
3 Rage lvl5
1 heal lvl6

Since the update I have really been struggling to do more than one star. I have tried mixing up my army shifting the amount of balloons and minions, trying to go to only 2 lava hounds, and even trying 26 Loons and 4 Lava hounds. Nothing seems to work. I am a decent air raider, but just cannot make this work.

Anyone using this strat as a TH9 with success? If so, what army comp and what deployment strat are you using? Any help would be appreciated.

I don't want this to be a wine thread about the hounds getting nerfed (nothing we can do about that), but it does really annoy me that they nerfed them so quickly as they were by no means over powered.

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Originally Posted by jibninjas

Before the update I was using quattro lava loonion as a TH9 with great success. 2-3 starring most Th9's. My army comp was

4 Lava hounds lvl2
12-14 Loons lvl6
15-20 mins lvl5
6 CC loons lvl6
3 Rage lvl5
1 heal lvl6

Since the update I have really been struggling to do more than one star. I have tried mixing up my army shifting the amount of balloons and minions, trying to go to only 2 lava hounds, and even trying 26 Loons and 4 Lava hounds. Nothing seems to work. I am a decent air raider, but just cannot make this work.

Anyone using this strat as a TH9 with success? If so, what army comp and what deployment strat are you using? Any help would be appreciated.

I don't want this to be a wine thread about the hounds getting nerfed (nothing we can do about that), but it does really annoy me that they nerfed them so quickly as they were by no means over powered.

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As for the exact number of units i can't be too sure off the top of my head. However, I don't have lava hounds unlocked yet (relatively new TH9) and I do balloonion attacks only in clan wars or If I have a ton of elixir and just want a change of raid quick. Anyways, I run roughly 30 loons (lvl 6) and rest minions (lvl 3) and usually archers or wizards in my cc. Heroes are both lvl 6. I usually can 2-3 star most people. I use 3 rage and 1 heal spell too.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...29#post3532429

there are many example videos in the end of it as well
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...UPDATING-guide

here are some, hope it helps (if you got any questions pm me or something):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKMQI8oH40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Jo4nOBZdE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw7GH61VEIg

Nice vids gamer...that your channel?

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Originally Posted by JonnyD83

Nice vids gamer...that your channel?

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yep, here's a link to it :)

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Originally Posted by gamer88

there are many example videos in the end of it as well
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...UPDATING-guide

here are some, hope it helps (if you got any questions pm me or something):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKMQI8oH40

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Nice raids. Just wondering have you tried with pure LavaLoons without the minions?
We got raided by these awesome air attackers in a war recently and is absolutely in awe of how powerful they are!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwHdXxlPZ4&list=UUD-VSn81cz1XDjFY932qKkQ

There are tons of lavaloonion videos on YouTube.

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Originally Posted by ZenCoC

Nice raids. Just wondering have you tried with pure LavaLoons without the minions?
We got raided by these awesome air attackers in a war recently and is absolutely in awe of how powerful they are!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwHdXxlPZ4&list=UUD-VSn81cz1XDjFY932qKkQ

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Wow that is insane, thank you for posting this I will be trying it. It seems like there is no counter for this, was there any defensive set up that worked well? Btw congrats, that's a win to be proud of!

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Originally Posted by JohnDeag

Wow that is insane, thank you for posting this I will be trying it. It seems like there is no counter for this, was there any defensive set up that worked well? Btw congrats, that's a win to be proud of!

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Yup that is the best war we had till date. It was such an important win for us as my clan is aiming for 100 wins before 2015. We lost another war prior to this war and can't afford to lose anymore wars. We are kinda of lucky things turned out well for us as they have a few inactives TH10.

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Originally Posted by ZenCoC

Yup that is the best war we had till date. It was such an important win for us as my clan is aiming for 100 wins before 2015. We lost another war prior to this war and can't afford to lose anymore wars. We are kinda of lucky things turned out well for us as they have a few inactives TH10.

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Did you have any core AD bases (the easy holo kind :rolleyes:) and if so could they lavaloon those? It looks like they could just roll through any th9 as long as the loons took efficient paths in the videos. I design a lot of bases for my clan that are meant to counter anything but I don't see any way to stop attacks like those. Glad you guys got that win though, your attacks seemed more technical (not to say that those lavaloon attacks would be easy). SC might need to nerf the the lava pups a little more I think.

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Originally Posted by ZenCoC

Nice raids. Just wondering have you tried with pure LavaLoons without the minions?
We got raided by these awesome air attackers in a war recently and is absolutely in awe of how powerful they are!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwHdXxlPZ4&list=UUD-VSn81cz1XDjFY932qKkQ

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I never tried without minions. I find them very important for cleaning or taking out the queen. Ill watch your video when i get back from work :)

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Originally Posted by ZenCoC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwHdXxlPZ4&list=UUD-VSn81cz1XDjFY932qKkQ

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wow.. never thought loon attack could be used without minions !

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Originally Posted by ZenCoC

Nice raids. Just wondering have you tried with pure LavaLoons without the minions?
We got raided by these awesome air attackers in a war recently and is absolutely in awe of how powerful they are!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwHdXxlPZ4&list=UUD-VSn81cz1XDjFY932qKkQ

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I noticed there is no luring of the CC. Would a dragon in the CC ruin the lavaloon attack?

They only nerf the lava pup HP by decreasing its by 5... not that kind of a big deal.

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Originally Posted by JohnDeag

Did you have any core AD bases (the easy holo kind :rolleyes:) and if so could they lavaloon those? It looks like they could just roll through any th9 as long as the loons took efficient paths in the videos. I design a lot of bases for my clan that are meant to counter anything but I don't see any way to stop attacks like those. Glad you guys got that win though, your attacks seemed more technical (not to say that those lavaloon attacks would be easy). SC might need to nerf the the lava pups a little more I think.

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Nope I don't we have those base with AD in core as they are easily abusable.

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Originally Posted by earhole

I noticed there is no luring of the CC. Would a dragon in the CC ruin the lavaloon attack?

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Probably but dragon in cc would be almost useless to any other kind of attacks.

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Originally Posted by ZenCoC

Nice raids. Just wondering have you tried with pure LavaLoons without the minions?
We got raided by these awesome air attackers in a war recently and is absolutely in awe of how powerful they are!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwHdXxlPZ4&list=UUD-VSn81cz1XDjFY932qKkQ

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Thanks for the vid. I tried this strat and cannot get anywhere near what they were doing with no minions. Was this after the update?

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Originally Posted by kather

There are tons of lavaloonion videos on YouTube.

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Most are pre update. That makes a massive difference. Also, many are TH10

Thanks everyone for the replies. I am still tweaking, looks like there are a couple different army comps people are successful with.

very interesting lavaloonion attaks!! i might practice it a bit myself and see what works and what doesn't and how to improve those methods. i'm using in my attacks 1-2 lavas (and minions), and plan it very well before attacking (i don't like just spamming troops). those guys that attacked you had much stronger heroes than i do, so i will have to see how it works..

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Originally Posted by jibninjas

Thanks for the vid. I tried this strat and cannot get anywhere near what they were doing with no minions. Was this after the update?

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It's after update.

my queen is upgrading right now, so bit of a bummer, but we will see..

I just tried it in war and it worked great. Too lazy to post pict but the base was a max defense th9 with a central level 15 queen and standard AD placement just outside the core. It wasn't even close and no heros were needed. They need to reduce the amount of pups you get or th9 is gonna be worse than th8 dragons.

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Originally Posted by JohnDeag

I just tried it in war and it worked great. Too lazy to post pict but the base was a max defense th9 with a central level 15 queen and standard AD placement just outside the core. It wasn't even close and no heros were needed. They need to reduce the amount of pups you get or th9 is gonna be worse than th8 dragons.

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I tried it last weekend and it didn't work out for me. I used 4 lavas, 15 minions, and the rest+CC balloons. I dropped the lavas first to take air traps and they didn't last long enough with balloons in the center of the base. Could you share your troops deployment order and composition?

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Originally Posted by Foreigner

I tried it last weekend and it didn't work out for me. I used 4 lavas, 15 minions, and the rest+CC balloons. I dropped the lavas first to take air traps and they didn't last long enough with balloons in the center of the base. Could you share your troops deployment order and composition?

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You need to remove the minions and just take 4-5 lavas and all loons. I dropped the lavas first and put em far out so I had time to drop the loons. The first 2 lavas died just as the loons reached their first towers but the other 2 lived long enough to tank shots from the last AD. I did like the video and dropped a central group of loons follow by 2 wide groups on the sides. I forgot to save a couple and missed the top WT and AT so the loons had to go all the way back to get em but it didn't even matter. That WT did a ton of damage but I still smashed the base with tons of extra troops and over 1 minute to spare. I took 3 rage and 1 heal for the end.


http://i.imgur.com/PlEWGjm.png

1 against a maxed TH9, got 1 star since the pups failed to kill the queen.
2 against almost maxed TH9.
i think that this tactic based on way too much luck. no planning at all..just drop 2 lavas on each AD and spam the loons from behind..i might try it again in the future, but i think it works only for specific bases.
i'm sure that clan that attacked you had more fails than success.
anyway, i'll try figure out what's needed to be done in this tactic to get a 3 star, and update on my LAVALOONION GUIDE (click here if you missed it) when i have some insight. i'll make a video of the failed attacks and upload it meanwhile..

if you check all lavaloonion attacks, the enemy clan castle is based on 1-2 witches and maybe 1 wiz or few archers..that's a really easy clan castle for this type of attack, and no big deal at all for the lava pups.
in the bases i attacked there were lvl5/6 wiz and archers, so not many pups survived (if any), and in my first attack they didn't even kill the queen...
so if you're lucky and some loons fell on the queen/the CC wizards/archers, then you might get the 3 star..but if not..might end up with just 1 star.
i'd say try it on bases where you know there's at least 1 witch in the clan castle...i will aswell..

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Originally Posted by gamer88

1 against a maxed TH9, got 1 star since the pups failed to kill the queen.
2 against almost maxed TH9.
i think that this tactic based on way too much luck. no planning at all..just drop 2 lavas on each AD and spam the loons from behind..i might try it again in the future, but i think it works only for specific bases.
i'm sure that clan that attacked you had more fails than success.
anyway, i'll try figure out what's needed to be done in this tactic to get a 3 star, and update on my LAVALOONION GUIDE (click here if you missed it) when i have some insight. i'll make a video of the failed attacks and upload it meanwhile..

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Hmm maybe I had beginner's luck but I'll keep trying and see what happens. If nothing else it's an easy way for guys who don't like to plan detailed attacks to have a decent chance at getting a 3 star. I used 4 lava hounds all level 2 and 26 ballons. It is also very beneficial if you get the queen to walk on top of a tower so the loons take her hp. She tends to walk about 3 units from the platform toward the first target she sees. Also try pinching in for the center group of loons and then dragging away from center for the side groups. This what that Asain clan did to make some loons go to the core while others circle around. Will also have to see if I can make it work against a cc with a lot of wizards or a dragon.

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Originally Posted by JohnDeag

Hmm maybe I had beginner's luck but I'll keep trying and see what happens. If nothing else it's an easy way for guys who don't like to plan detailed attacks to have a decent chance at getting a 3 star. I used 4 lava hounds all level 2 and 26 ballons. It is also very beneficial if you get the queen to walk on top of a tower so the loons take her hp. She tends to walk about 3 units from the platform toward the first target she sees. Also try pinching in for the center group of loons and then dragging away from center for the side groups. This what that Asain clan did to make some loons go to the core while others circle around. Will also have to see if I can make it work against a cc with a lot of wizards or a dragon.

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yep...think attack got potential, but i think planning will be needed to get it done well (i've done in my videos tricks to take out the queen by making her stand where i want her to, but it's pretty complicated to plan that and takes practice). i'll definitely think about how to make that attack effective, though i still think few minions can't do bad (if the loons mess up, at least u get a 2 star and not 1).

anyway, i already got few things in my head, but gotta wait for next war to execute :(

a dragon in the CC will mess up your attack for sure!!

Wow this is a very very interesting thread .... I'm following it....

Cheers to all of guys and keep going,
BTW gamer and Ken thumbs up to both of you...
KJ

What about the update has made it more difficult to loon?

notice that my arch queen is upgrading, and we got a terrible matchup lol (so i was kinda upset).
there was actually a witch in the CC of the first attack, but those 2 wizards ruined the party...
i'll work on improving this type of attack and try make a guide for it once i feel safe attacking with it (will include scouting part - which bases are good for the attack and which aren't, troop combination - might change it a bit, etc...)
so i will update of course once i got some insights on this :)
maybe i over-spammed the loons...could of done it a bit smarter, but still wanted to check the spamming idea :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1AwFXrpyA

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What about the update has made it more difficult to loon?

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The lavapups have less hp and the archer towers do more efficient damage by shooting faster. So for example if an arrow did 80 damage on hit and a balloon had 20 hp left 60 damage would be wasted. Overall it's not too much different though.

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Originally Posted by JohnDeag

The lavapups have less hp and the archer towers do more efficient damage by shooting faster. So for example if an arrow did 80 damage on hit and a balloon had 20 hp left 60 damage would be wasted. Overall it's not too much different though.

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that's sucks...didn't know that. ill be back in few hours, so meanwhile you can laugh at my attacks :D

gamer88, maybe lava is to fast how about releasing those LAVA behind the balloon because the enemy CC get triggered earlier by LAVAs... wait till the balloons get near then maybe lava and balloons both get rage and heal at the same time... I don't know just my thought....
and one thing also as you said if the CC is full of wiz lvl5/6 with some higher lvl archers...Could we use to sacrifice one lava first to lure out the enemy Centered CC? and assault them with heroes? Again just my thought... anyway nice try buddy at least 1 or 2 stars good enough...in your experiment... BUT watching Ken's war enemy they seem doing it so ease and great even letting the lava first :confused:
Mine is level2 now...I may try this too...
Still i'm following this thread...:)
Cheers,
KJ

I agree with kristo the hounds were down too soon and the loons were not able to follow up in time. In my successful attack I was going to drop the loons and then the hounds but I was afraid a WT would shoot the balloons so I dropped the hounds extra far then dropped the loons in front as fast as I could. My 2nd hounds barely took any damage from the first ADs because the loons arrived so fast. I'm glad you posted those fails though cuz it shows that this isn't as easy as I was afraid it was going to be and that even a second can make a huge difference. It seems like the keys to success are towers being where the cc and queen will stand, dropping all troops very quickly, and dividing the loons into a core group and 2 side groups. I think that clan in the video used about 16 loons total for the side groups and many of their drops were probably specific counts in specific areas instead of an even line. Those guys seemed to usually drop the hounds after the loons but either way you gotta be fast. I would not say that this attack is base specific though because that clan apparently 3 starred every th9 with it and both clans were war veterans with well designed bases and strong heros and defenses.

You guys should also watch his second video, it's the th10 3 star air attacks and they seem to be more technical and follow a more consistent method.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xy5-1uKTKE

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if you check all lavaloonion attacks, the enemy clan castle is based on 1-2 witches and maybe 1 wiz or few archers..that's a really easy clan castle for this type of attack, and no big deal at all for the lava pups.
in the bases i attacked there were lvl5/6 wiz and archers, so not many pups survived (if any), and in my first attack they didn't even kill the queen...
so if you're lucky and some loons fell on the queen/the CC wizards/archers, then you might get the 3 star..but if not..might end up with just 1 star.
i'd say try it on bases where you know there's at least 1 witch in the clan castle...i will aswell..

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You are right all our cc are filled with 1 witch with archers/barbs and 1 balloon. There is a lack of wizards to do splash on the enemy's balloons. I am not sure how much effect wizards will have on lavaloons though as I have seen wizards getting killed by balloons splash damage when getting too near to buildings. I guess this is all based on luck.

Defensive cc choice, we think having too many wizards makes cc too easy to lure which is not a good thing, so we usually only use 1 or 2 wizards max.

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Originally Posted by gamer88

notice that my arch queen is upgrading, and we got a terrible matchup lol (so i was kinda upset).
there was actually a witch in the CC of the first attack, but those 2 wizards ruined the party...
i'll work on improving this type of attack and try make a guide for it once i feel safe attacking with it (will include scouting part - which bases are good for the attack and which aren't, troop combination - might change it a bit, etc...)
so i will update of course once i got some insights on this :)
maybe i over-spammed the loons...could of done it a bit smarter, but still wanted to check the spamming idea :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1AwFXrpyA

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I checked your video, you almost got it to work in your 2nd attack. It does seems like this strategy depends alot on timing. One thing about the clan we played against they planned the balloons pathing really well, saving some balloons for key defenses to take down to ensure the 2-3 groups of balloons will bunched up together at the core.

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Originally Posted by ZenCoC

I checked your video, you almost got it to work in your 2nd attack. It does seems like this strategy depends alot on timing. One thing about the clan we played against they planned the balloons pathing really well, saving some balloons for key defenses to take down to ensure the 2-3 groups of balloons will bunched up together at the core.

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yep..i will work on better planning of this. it definitely got potential (but also limitations).

about dropping the loons first: i think it will cause many balloons to die. it seems like the whole idea of the attack is making about 2-3 lavas die pretty quick so the pups will take care of the CC and queen. if i'll send the loons first, they will all focus on the loons instead of lavas (and you don't have too many loons over there). so just a thought, but gotta test it.

I still easily 3 star th9s with quatralavaloonion , just know the angle on how to start the raid and youll do fine. The pup nerf has made no difference to me whatsoever.

@gamer88: Your attacks are very similar to what I have done and inquired in this thread, and I also believe the composition of CC troops is a big influence to this strategy's success rate.

I'll be following this thread to see what I was missing. So far I'm seeing some great discussion, thanks for everyone that contributed.

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Originally Posted by Foreigner

@gamer88: Your attacks are very similar to what I have done and inquired in this thread, and I also believe the composition of CC troops is a big influence to this strategy's success rate.

I'll be following this thread to see what I was missing. So far I'm seeing some great discussion, thanks for everyone that contributed.

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Ill check it out after work!
And yeah, will definately research this attack strategy some more and update!

Ok guys I just gave this a 2nd try to see if I was just lucky and it was as easy as ever to get the 3 star. Before you complain about the base strength hear me out. I farm gold 2 so this took a while to find, the queen is lvl 12 which is decent, the ADs were maxed, and the cc had 5 wizards and some archers in it. Even though 1 AD was upgrading I could have 3 starred it if it was there and it actually would have been easier to 3 star it because it would have gave me those pups. As you can see my 4th lava hound was full hp so it easily could have tanked another maxed AD. Also this was planned in just over 30 seconds so it's for sure a mindless strategy ;)

http://i.imgur.com/d8wODc3.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/jvJxuMl.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/wn37tHV.png

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Ok guys I just gave this a 2nd try to see if I was just lucky and it was as easy as ever to get the 3 star. Before you complain about the base strength hear me out. I farm gold 2 so this took a while to find, the queen is lvl 12 which is decent, the ADs were maxed, and the cc had 5 wizards and some archers in it. Even though 1 AD was upgrading I could have 3 starred it if it was there and it actually would have been easier to 3 star it because it would have gave me those pups. As you can see my 4th lava hound was full hp so it easily could have tanked another maxed AD. Also this was planned in just over 30 seconds so it's for sure a mindless strategy ;)

http://i.imgur.com/d8wODc3.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/jvJxuMl.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/wn37tHV.png

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Im not sure about it..another maxed AD is big power..teslas and arch towers arent maxed and one xbow is on ground. It seems like the troops u had left arent enough for the cleanup..where is the 3 stars pic? :)
We will have to try few more attacks i guess..

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Ok guys I just gave this a 2nd try to see if I was just lucky and it was as easy as ever to get the 3 star. Before you complain about the base strength hear me out. I farm gold 2 so this took a while to find, the queen is lvl 12 which is decent, the ADs were maxed, and the cc had 5 wizards and some archers in it. Even though 1 AD was upgrading I could have 3 starred it if it was there and it actually would have been easier to 3 star it because it would have gave me those pups. As you can see my 4th lava hound was full hp so it easily could have tanked another maxed AD. Also this was planned in just over 30 seconds so it's for sure a mindless strategy ;)

http://i.imgur.com/d8wODc3.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/jvJxuMl.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/wn37tHV.png

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Nice raid bro! :cool:
I may post some of the remaining 3 stars raids from the war if I have time tomorrow.

With 4 hounds, would it work to aim a hound at each ad with a line of loons behind each hound?

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Originally Posted by earhole

With 4 hounds, would it work to aim a hound at each ad with a line of loons behind each hound?

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I have seen 3 groups of loons on 3 sides. I don't think there is enough firepower to divide the loons into 4 groups.

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Originally Posted by ZenCoC

I have seen 3 groups of loons on 3 sides. I don't think there is enough firepower to divide the loons into 4 groups.

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have to agree there..

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Originally Posted by gamer88

Im not sure about it..another maxed AD is big power..teslas and arch towers arent maxed and one xbow is on ground. It seems like the troops u had left arent enough for the cleanup..where is the 3 stars pic? :)
We will have to try few more attacks i guess..

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I was a bit concerned about time in that one but I ended up having plenty left. There might not have been enough if both my heroes were upgrading instead of 1. I am very confident that another AD would have made 0 difference and it actually would have helped because it would have popped the hound. In that attack the loons did not help with killing any cc troops so the lava pups were more than capable of getting it done with minimal loon loss. I am using the technique those th10s used of dropping a center group (pinch in) then 2 hounds then with about 16 remaining loons dropping side loons (drag out) then dropping the other 2 hounds (or all 4 hounds with the first 2 but the cc one is hard to drop). I will keep trying but I am very confident now. The only thing that scares me is a dragon in the cc. Also my second 2 spells were very bad and cost a lot of loons so this was definitely not a perfect execution.

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I have seen 3 groups of loons on 3 sides. I don't think there is enough firepower to divide the loons into 4 groups.

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I think the guy in your video who hit 3 AD at once used 5 hounds so the 3 in the center spawned enough pups to deal with the queen and cc.

http://i.imgur.com/VqaIyz1.png

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Originally Posted by JohnDeag

I was a bit concerned about time in that one but I ended up having plenty left. There might not have been enough if both my heroes were upgrading instead of 1. I am very confident that another AD would have made 0 difference and it actually would have helped because it would have popped the hound. In that attack the loons did not help with killing any cc troops so the lava pups were more than capable of getting it done with minimal loon loss. I am using the technique those th10s used of dropping a center group (pinch in) then 2 hounds then with about 16 remaining loons dropping side loons (drag out) then dropping the other 2 hounds (or all 4 hounds with the first 2 but the cc one is hard to drop). I will keep trying but I am very confident now. The only thing that scares me is a dragon in the cc. Also my second 2 spells were very bad and cost a lot of loons so this was definitely not a perfect execution.



I think the guy in your video who hit 3 AD at once used 5 hounds so the 3 in the center spawned enough pups to deal with the queen and cc.

http://i.imgur.com/VqaIyz1.png

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nice!! i'll definitely give this more chances..in the current war there are no maxed th9 so we'll see..

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Originally Posted by Furgle

I still easily 3 star th9s with quatralavaloonion , just know the angle on how to start the raid and youll do fine. The pup nerf has made no difference to me whatsoever.

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May I ask what army composition you're using with quatralavaloonion...so you're still including some minion on it...
thanks for sharing friend...
220 units ?
4 Spells ?

BTW give us a guide on deploying it...the angle, near CC or back CC? if Centered CC.?
mostly In-line or multi direction? and so forth...again thanks

Cheers,
KJ

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Originally Posted by gamer88

nice!! i'll definitely give this more chances..in the current war there are no maxed th9 so we'll see..

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Same for me, I'm against a lot of premature th10s with infernos so I might try it but I am more confident in my gowiwi/gowipe against those. I will keep trying on whatever I can find in multilayer. I just got a 96% fail because the queen and cc targeted the pups instead of loons or lavas. That's still 96% with queen and cc shooting my stuff the whole time; I had to use my heroes to kill the cc troops at the end. I definitely have a lot to learn but this is a very powerful attack, I don't think anything else could get 96% on a well developed th9 with the enemy queen and a ton of cc troops shooting the entire time. Maybe bringing a few minions would help or maybe there is a way to time lava death so the cc and queen don't target the pups or maybe I just had trouble this time because it's a farm base and the pups get too stuck on the tanky storages. I am dropping center loons first (drag edge to center and use a map corner for space) then 3 lava hounds then side loons (about 16 total drag away from center) and finally the cc hound (because it's hard to drop) and at the very end put heroes on the back end. (3 rage and end with heal). With this method the defense/queen levels don't seem to make much difference; it's all about if the pups are able to target and kill the cc and queen.

tldr This method seems to easily smash any maxed th9 but if the queen and cc manage to survive it's hard to get that 3 star.

The enemy cc makes a big difference, one with lots of lv6 wizards are trouble. That's why I always lure the cc if I can and I always try to take out AQ rather than leaving it up to luck for the pups and minions to take her out. If the cc and aq are too hard to lure and take out then that base is not good for lavaloonion imo because you will be relying a lot on luck.

Here's a recent quatro I did with lure.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SlaGFQIDQc

and here's a hybrid lavaloonion also with lure. All after update.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5YiTlsIfOg

Call me slow but did they nerf the hounds? I haven't noticed any differences

Awesome videos Ruroshin. My clan-mates and I have been experimenting with this a lot today and although some have had success without lures I am starting to think that it is worth it to lure. Killing the queen with loon bombs and lava pups isn't too much of a problem but the the cc can be very unpredictable. For example in one attack i pulled a cc into a group or towers only to have the lavahound pull them out when the AD died. I would recommend bringing just a few minions to kill any max wizards in the cc, I think u had like 10 extra and that could be 4 more loons. A comp I just used was 4 barb 1 archer 5 minions 23 loons and 4 lavas.

Also I just attacked a bunch of weaker th10s with infernos and so far I could not 3 star the ones with single target ITs but I did manage to 3 star one with both multi without much trouble. I did not lure and there were few cc troops in this successful attack (below) but I failed one against double multi with a full cc. If you don't have freeze spells I'd recommend only attacking multi infernos and if you do attack multi IT to always lure the cc because the lava pups die too fast. It could be a good base exploit for those wars where your th9s have to attack a bunch of premature th10s with multi IT and in many situations a better option than gowipe.

This attack is extremely powerful for th9 vs th9 and the method that Asian clan used is an overwhelming force that can 3 star anything. For war I would recommend luring the cc and killing it to be safe but bring 5 minions for this at most just to finish the max wizards and witches that survive. Minions do not contribute to the attack because the hounds spawn plenty and you have way more than enough time for the 3 star. Sorry to post so much but I'm just shocked that these guys are brute forcing maxed bases with maxed heroes instead of exploiting weaknesses like others do. From what I have seen today it should 3 star any th 9 safely if you lure and kill the cc (minimally), plan where the queen will stand, and just make sure the loons spread well and no large group gets killed by a WT.

http://i.imgur.com/GkfnYq5.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/nHJNeLu.png

Very nice John. The extra minions are mostly to start the cleanup process earlier as with luring you do take up a lot of time and run the risk of timing out especially if the hounds don't pop or if the pups pop mostly near xbows pointed up. I will experiment with lower minion count and see how I do for time.

i also think that luring the CC gives much more predictable results..you gotta bring some minions also for the case of a dragon in the CC (unless someone attacked that base already). if it's possible to kill the queen (with the king/few minions) i would recommend doing it too..(even losing the king for that is worth it)..

Just uploaded a few more LavaLoons attacks from this clan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALuDUhqm57c

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good videos....subscribed :)

Zen my conclusion is that your clan should stop putting witches in the CC haha. i think that with wiz and arch, those attacks won't have many chances (if they don't lure the CC). xbows can take down all pups as well easily..

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good videos....subscribed :)

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thanks man :)

No problem.... I can appreciate anyone who takes the time to do "tutorial videos" or anything to assist other people. I know it's time consuming, and wish I had a way to record because I have some videos I would like to make but can't get iRec or Shou to work on my phone :mad:

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No problem.... I can appreciate anyone who takes the time to do "tutorial videos" or anything to assist other people. I know it's time consuming, and wish I had a way to record because I have some videos I would like to make but can't get iRec or Shou to work on my phone :mad:

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get a new phone? jokes :D

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lol I just got the iPhone 6 Plus.....I don't get it

Its just amazing... guys. They can well execute with ease and timing using it. Thanks ken for the video once more :)
How about putting 15 minions level5/6 on a 30 units CC could this abort somehow the pups? unlike single Dragon...

Cheers to all in this thread,
KJ

we got an easy war this time, and this is the top TH9 the other clan got...so that's the max i could get...
and my AQ (archer queen) is upgrading...so 3 starred it without the AQ.. (my way though..without loon spamming, and with CC lure lol).
first time i used 3 lavas tho (one was for luring).
i'll upload my sec attack as well...the base i attacked had easy ADs (and easy base), but i got 99% because the lava didn't die...(ughhhh!!!). made a mistake there and dropped a heal spell on the lava :( will upload it soon (or tommorow if i'm lazy lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc314r-YYXU

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we got an easy war this time, and this is the top TH9 the other clan got...so that's the max i could get...
and my AQ (archer queen) is upgrading...so 3 starred it without the AQ.. (my way though..without loon spamming, and with CC lure lol).
first time i used 3 lavas tho (one was for luring).
i'll upload my sec attack as well...the base i attacked had easy ADs (and easy base), but i got 99% because the lava didn't die...(ughhhh!!!). made a mistake there and dropped a heal spell on the lava :( will upload it soon (or tommorow if i'm lazy lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc314r-YYXU

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Nice Gamer88 thats it using one lava to lure out the CC enemy...BUT we encountered one clan using high level 15minions for 30unitsCC and 10minions plus 5archers for 25units...This we need to waste our minions or CC to assault them coz using balloons or queen might not after which we start the attack on the base.
Again just my experience and still we stick to archers/wiz war CC as of present and may gear to minions/archers later in WAR.
As for the discussion with regards to using (only) lavas and balloons... NO minions and without luring the enemy just as Ken's video I don't know if MINIONS WAR CC can be likely effective against LAVALOON
Go on i'm following this thread
Cheers,
KJ

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Zen my conclusion is that your clan should stop putting witches in the CC haha. i think that with wiz and arch, those attacks won't have many chances (if they don't lure the CC). xbows can take down all pups as well easily..

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True, but until lavaloons becomes as popular as hogs or gowipe attacks, I think witch is still a very important choice for defensive cc.

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True, but until lavaloons becomes as popular as hogs or gowipe attacks, I think witch is still a very important choice for defensive cc.

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They arent that effective in my opinion..i always take 3 wiz and rest archers. My CC is hard to lure so people waste lots of time on luring..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0kzPPpJplo

i'll upload tommorow a video of 3 stars on the base in the pic. basically i used that tactic of 2 lavas on one AD, and let the pups kill the queen. but i did lure the CC, and done less spamming of loons :D

http://i.imgur.com/GGQ9DRb.jpg

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i'll upload tommorow a video of 3 stars on the base in the pic. basically i used that tactic of 2 lavas on one AD, and let the pups kill the queen. but i did lure the CC, and done less spamming of loons :D

http://i.imgur.com/GGQ9DRb.jpg

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cool :cool:

I have 3-starred two bases recently using this strategy, with and without luring.

Without luring, the successful rate is highly dependant on the CC troops. I have 3-starred a base with ease without luring when the base only contains witch and archers, then I have failed when the base contains ~4 wizards.

With luring, I used 4 lavas, 5 minions, 1 archer, 4 barbarians, and rest balloons.

I don't know if I can pull the same on harder bases but I'll be watching more and learning. This discussion is particularly helpful and I'd like to (again) thank for everyone that contributed.

One of my TH9 clan mate just 3 star the below base using hybrid lavaloonion, he did try and lure but didn't do a full lure but did managed to kill all the cc before releasing the lavaloonion part. I'll upload the video later. How would you guys tackle it using lavaloonion?

http://i.imgur.com/IGEmBLr.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s31skQlb1IE

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I don't want this to be a wine thread about the hounds getting nerfed (nothing we can do about that), but it does really annoy me that they nerfed them so quickly as they were by no means over powered.

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Why are you saying houds have been nerfed?

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Why are you saying houds have been nerfed?

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The lava pups got a decrease in health by 5. This along with the new archer towers cause the lava pups to die significantly quicker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0lOHRDWn84

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0lOHRDWn84

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nice attack!! good loonion timing..was it you attacking?

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nice attack!! good loonion timing..was it you attacking?

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It's a clan mates attack. Actually, we also had The General base in the same war and he tried to replicate your lavaloonion att but unfortunately could not replicate the 3 star, different trap placement threw him off.

Here's a TH10 quatro attack from the same war by a different clan mate. No lure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Jad2-6xTE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s31skQlb1IE

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You cant argue with 3 stars but that was a lucky attack, if xbows were set to air it would have been 1 star max I expect. Given the cc was already lured there were no threats at all to the loons, if you had deployed the hounds better it should have been an easier 3 star. It would also have succeeded if xbows were set to air. I would have released hounds from south to ensure that both ad were occupied and the next ad they would go to would be the one I wanted rather than an asymmetrical ring a rosy.
As I say congrats but good lure and ground xbows were your saviour

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I would have released hounds from south to ensure that both ad were occupied and the next ad they would go to would be the one I wanted rather than an asymmetrical ring a rosy.

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This is a good point, except I think I would release lavas from the north and surround the top defences with balloons in a "八" shape. I find the pathing from north to south is pretty predictable (because like you said, it's symmetrical) and it allows the balloons to reach AD's faster than going from south to north, just my 2 cents.

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This is a good point, except I think I would release lavas from the north and surround the top defences with balloons in a "八" shape. I find the pathing from north to south is pretty predictable (because like you said, it's symmetrical) and it allows the balloons to reach AD's faster than going from south to north, just my 2 cents.

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It might work too, I just feel happier that if deployed correctly the hounds will take all the fire from the wiz towers while the loons sneak up from behind them, move on to destroy the ad then the hounds take all the heat round 2 and there is a very high loon count with no resistance at the end, that is presuming the cc has been skilfully lured and negated as the attacker clearly demonstrated. No lure is trickier timing issue on this base but I think I would still go from the south, if I knew just archers in cc ahead of time I definitely would, if there were minions or drag I would have to think very carefully.

if i would deploy from north or south i won't get any ADs down (maybe upper ones if deploying from the north) because the queen will shoot them down (and you totally ignore the queen in your tactic). you need pups from 2 lavas to get the queen, and make it pop in a place with less defenses that can take the pups down. in this case, if you attack from the left side, you have a pretty clear way to the queen (and the fastest). if you go with the long route that you suggested you will end up with 1 star.
about the xbows down...that's the whole idea of scouting. there are 4 things you need to take into account - CC location, queen location, ADs location and xbows status. if 2-3 of them are good for you, the base is good for lavaloonion. (in this case good CC location, bad queen location, pretty good ADs location as two of them are easy to get, and good xbows status). also if there are witches in the CC ( and you know it), it makes the CC location a bit less important.

@gamer88: I can understand using 4 lava hounds to take down AQ is safer than using 2 lava hounds, point taken, but I think you have exaggerated the the distance needed to reach AQ deploying from the "north".

When I said "north", I meant northwest and northeast, in parallel to the line of defences. Deploying balloons first then hounds will make them arrive at roughly the same time. So this is just as fast to AQ except I'm using less hounds and balloons.

If I can take down AQ using less hounds and balloons, I can save the healing spell you used in the beginning (to clear the bottom defences and make sure the balloons don't stray off) because the path to all defences (from most threatening to less threatening) is already very clear, and use the healing spell to help taking down ADs. I don't get to test this, but I think this is a viable strategy.

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@gamer88: I can understand using 4 lava hounds to take down AQ is safer than using 2 lava hounds, point taken, but I think you have exaggerated the the distance needed to reach AQ deploying from the "north".

When I said "north", I meant northwest and northeast, in parallel to the line of defences. Deploying balloons first then hounds will make them arrive at roughly the same time. So this is just as fast to AQ except I'm using less hounds and balloons.

If this works, I can save the healing spell you used in the beginning (to clear the bottom defences and make sure the balloons don't stray off) because the path to all defences (from most threatening to less threatening) is already very clear, and use the healing spell to help taking down ADs. I don't get to test this, but I think this is a viable strategy.

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i got your idea...i'm 100% sure it won't work. you will take hits from 2 upper ADs, and then take hits from the lower ADs all the way down (through 3 layers of defenses, with 2 defenses in each layer + queen hits over all of those layers on the left side). your lavas (even 2 of them in each side) won't survive untill your loons get to the bottom ADs, and pups will get killed by the teslas. i made some calculation about the damage you are going to take in this case (before i attacked!!), and i doubt it will get you even 1 star...if you attack from the left side though, you get the queen pretty easily, and pass only one layer of defenses which most of them don't even shoot at you. you gotta think what's the safest way to get rid of the queen, and stay with as many loons as possible, because that queen can take down all of your balloons alone (and she will). attacking from the bottom will probably be even worse, because you won't have any control of the balloons (and you can't even be sure that they will get to the ADs). i hope i explained it in a way someone can understand hahah

@gamer88: Okay, I will take these suggestions into consideration next time I'm in the clan war.

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@gamer88: Okay, I will take these suggestions into consideration next time I'm in the clan war.

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if you find this base (i think its pretty common), try attacking it with your tactic and update :)

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if i would deploy from north or south i won't get any ADs down (maybe upper ones if deploying from the north) because the queen will shoot them down (and you totally ignore the queen in your tactic). you need pups from 2 lavas to get the queen, and make it pop in a place with less defenses that can take the pups down. in this case, if you attack from the left side, you have a pretty clear way to the queen (and the fastest). if you go with the long route that you suggested you will end up with 1 star.
about the xbows down...that's the whole idea of scouting. there are 4 things you need to take into account - CC location, queen location, ADs location and xbows status. if 2-3 of them are good for you, the base is good for lavaloonion. (in this case good CC location, bad queen location, pretty good ADs location as two of them are easy to get, and good xbows status). also if there are witches in the CC ( and you know it), it makes the CC location a bit less important.

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I disagree that the queen is a serious threat on that base...you got 3 stars you cant get anymore, I don't believe your strategy was optimal for that base....I stated why....take it or leave it

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Can we please stop blaming the new Archer Towers? I think Galadon put up a video showing that in fact the AT's were not buffed and instead nerfed due to the time it takes their shots to hit the target and when they begin their next shot. In other words, if it takes 1 hit to kill, the AT uses 2 shots, 2 hits, and 3 shots...

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if you find this base (i think its pretty common), try attacking it with your tactic and update :)

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I have never seen this base in war before and I couldn't find one with lavaloonion on youtube, so I don't think it's common. Something like "the general" is common, and I have 3-starred a base similar to the general (with lower level ADs and AQ) using my strategy.

If you want to test this, and if your clan still has the war log, you can temporarily jb your device to install a specific program and experiment. I would if I have access to the war log, but temporarily leaving my clan and jb my device seems too much and unnecessary.

let me know what you think :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk8_w-6Paxw

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let me know what you think :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk8_w-6Paxw

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The videos are very helpful. Just got lava hounds today and plan on using your strategies on my attacks. Thanks

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I disagree that the queen is a serious threat on that base...you got 3 stars you cant get anymore, I don't believe your strategy was optimal for that base....I stated why....take it or leave it

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Split hairs much?

Hmmmmmmmm?????????

Didnt get whats going on as well lol

Thanks for the very informative vids gamer88. Impressive 3-starring max def TH9s with relatively low heroes!

Great thread. As usual, Gamer88 is bringing some good info to light.

Keep it coming, guys. I've got a day to decide between Golems to 4 and Hounds to 2.

I'd been set on Golems, but I'm starting to lean toward hounds.

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Thanks for the very informative vids gamer88. Impressive 3-starring max def TH9s with relatively low heroes!

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Great thread. As usual, Gamer88 is bringing some good info to light.

Keep it coming, guys. I've got a day to decide between Golems to 4 and Hounds to 2.

I'd been set on Golems, but I'm starting to lean toward hounds.

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hounds for sure!! and thanks :)