How to TRULY win at COC

First let me say, I am a MAX TH9 (legos, lvl 15 heros). I have had a few heated discussions with well known forum people. They have opened my eyes to what COC game play is centered on. COC is geared solely toward offensive play, defense...as it has been put to me by several people....has no impact on the game and does not matter. Chief Pat was correct with the "Defenseless Champion". Why spend the loot on defense...why spend gems on defense...when in the long run...it does not matter. You max out your defense...get attacked....lose trophy's, have to rearm traps/xbow/inferno...what you would have lost in loot is less than the cost to rearm. So again....why bother with defense? Clan Wars is the only part of the game that has any defensive emphasis. With the matching system...you can be defenseless and still win....Offense is only half the equation. Think of all the loot you are wasting on defense that doesn't matter...when anyone can get a 1 star........With that being said.....

How to truly win at COC

1. Upgrade Troops/spells/barracks/camps/lab/pump/mines/spell factory/CC//TH only!! do not buy or upgrade any defense as it does not matter.
Do not waste time on walls/traps/bombs etc...... OFFENSE ONLY!!!
2. Raid continuously until you get the 10 min boot. Keep just enough loot to continuously upgrade
3. While you are booted....get raided once and lose a few trophy's/small amount of loot and get a shield
4. Get some rest, wait til shield runs out.. and start the raid cycle over

This is the current formula that will, if used, get you to the top of the leader board...that and a few gems...

If you are new and reading this..... GO DEFENSELESS!!!! Stick it to the man....their own people say defense doesn't matter....why spend the money on gems for defense? Why waste your time on defense?

You want a sick war clan that will probably go undefeated?

10 TH10 - max troops - defenseless
10 TH9 - Max troops - defenseless
25 TH 8 - regular
5 TH7 - regular

Your match up will be TH6, TH7 and TH8 if you even get a TH8.....how is that for bucking the system.

how about most play to farm and max..enjoy doing that even at th10 its a beach but you want to max it were not all obsessed with trophies
For me trully winning is the day i say I quit, i must be happy with it by then :cool:

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Originally Posted by DiNatale

how about most play to farm and max..enjoy doing that even at th10 its a beach but you want to max it were not all obsessed with trophies
For me trully winning is the day i say I quit, i must be happy with it by then :cool:

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Personally....I am all about the loot. Farm away..I have no problem with farmers...they feed me LOL. I do have some questions.... Are you tired of not getting anything from a successful defense? I think you replied to one of my other posts on this subject. Wouldn't it be nice if defense actually has some impact on the game?

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Personally....I am all about the loot. Farm away..I have no problem with farmers...they feed me LOL. I do have some questions.... Are you tired of not getting anything from a successful defense? I think you replied to one of my other posts on this subject. Wouldn't it be nice if defense actually has some impact on the game?

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Your a loot ♥♥♥♥ just like me :p off course i think we all should be rewarded for deffending, but some seems to think winning a deffence it self is the reward,, I mean 'GAY' they run away with your loot sett off halve you traps and I should be happy:confused:

No one can win CoC... Except one person...
Peter17$ :rolleyes:

I agree. However, part of the game is too enjoy the upgrading of your village, including the defense. It is fun to rewatch your defenses also.
That being said, do you know of any such defenseless war clan I can join? Thanks.

I agree that defense definitely doesn't win.

I know people who upgraded their bombs when they first came out only to discover rearming them was a major penalty after getting raided and losing a bunch of resources in the process.... so they don't rearm them anymore and leave them off to the side like derelict cars pushed to the edge of one's property.

I'd like to see a defensive loot bonus... at least to cover the cost of rearming my bombs/traps.

Finally, I just pushed to Champ for the first time and since 2800 cups I didn't win a single defense except from one cup dropper who sent in his King only. My village is TH10 with a lot of maxed defenses including x-bows, infernos, wiz towers, etc. and a mix of lego/skull walls so it's decent.

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Originally Posted by EvilRayquaza

No one can win CoC... Except one person...
Peter17$ :rolleyes:

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Sadly he is correct.

It would be great if the defender received a loot bonus from a failed attack, relative to the league you're in. It'd be a good extra incentive to max your defenses, idk why SC hasn't thought of it

This is silly, defenses help reduce the trophies you lose. Theoretically you can climb to the top of the leader board defenseless but maintaining your position will be so much easier be max defenses. Also, your suggestion doesn't even fix what you think is a problem. A defenseless TH10 can still 2 star other TH10's and still get trophies.

Oh and you didn't max TH9. You need Lavas and lvl 30 Heroes.

And how can a war clan with people with no defenses go undefeated? They can sweep your base with just heroes or farming base for a guaranteed 3 star while there is a chance someone in the defenseless clan gets only a 2 star.

Please think before posting.

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Originally Posted by IHateWalls

This is silly, defenses help reduce the trophies you lose. Theoretically you can climb to the top of the leader board defenseless but maintaining your position will be so much easier be max defenses. Also, your suggestion doesn't even fix what you think is a problem. A defenseless TH10 can still 2 star other TH10's and still get trophies.

Oh and you didn't max TH9. You need Lavas and lvl 30 Heroes.

And how can a war clan with people with no defenses go undefeated? They can sweep your base with just heroes or farming base for a guaranteed 3 star while there is a chance someone in the defenseless clan gets only a 2 star.

Please think before posting.

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U 3 star their base n they 6 star your base

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Originally Posted by IHateWalls

This is silly, defenses help reduce the trophies you lose. Theoretically you can climb to the top of the leader board defenseless but maintaining your position will be so much easier be max defenses. Also, your suggestion doesn't even fix what you think is a problem. A defenseless TH10 can still 2 star other TH10's and still get trophies.

Oh and you didn't max TH9. You need Lavas and lvl 30 Heroes.

And how can a war clan with people with no defenses go undefeated? They can sweep your base with just heroes or farming base for a guaranteed 3 star while there is a chance someone in the defenseless clan gets only a 2 star.

Please think before posting.

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Defenseless War clan......look em up...there are several ....yes...they do win.....a lot...I had to see it to believe it myself.... I thought they were full of it. They have TH10 with max troops going against TH6's that can't finish off their bases...its hilarious...the cc troops alone wipe out the attacking army in war...ya the war bonus is low..but it is hilarious to watch.....They usually max out stars for war too. again...you have to see it to believe it. You do know there is a war matching formula out there don't you?

I know I am not a fully max TH9.....that is why I put (lvl 15 hero's and legos)....beside it ....everything else is max...duh..

You really did not read this.....You will not waste the time or resources on defense as they do not matter....you get raided once every 12 hours....you raid in between...in a given 8 hour window....you may lose 1-33 trophies if that. Realistically 2-20.... and make that up with ease. Since SC has deemed that you are going to lose a defense anyway...why bother having them...just go defenseless and save the upgrade time and headache.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Defenseless War clan......look em up...there are several ....yes...they do win.....a lot...I had to see it to believe it myself.... I thought they were full of it. They have TH10 with max troops going against TH6's that can't finish off their bases...its hilarious...the cc troops alone wipe out the attacking army in war...ya the war bonus is low..but it is hilarious to watch.....They usually max out stars for war too. again...you have to see it to believe it. You do know there is a war matching formula out there don't you?

I know I am not a fully max TH9.....that is why I put (lvl 15 hero's and legos)....beside it ....everything else is max...duh..

You really did not read this.....You will not waste the time or resources on defense as they do not matter....you get raided once every 12 hours....you raid in between...in a given 8 hour window....you may lose 1-33 trophies if that. Realistically 2-20.... and make that up with ease. Since SC has deemed that you are going to lose a defense anyway...why bother having them...just go defenseless and save the upgrade time and headache.

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Your maxed :cool:

everyone should read this thread, if one thing I don't 100% agree with it's that at TH9 and below defense sucks, at TH10 in leagues from m3 and below you win more than you lose, idk if it's because there are more noob Th10s than lower THs? ♥♥♥♥ JK but TH10s can win on defense, it's quite reliable if you aren't at a high cup range, the game is though 99% offense based, instead of going defenseless why not just put town hall outside, that way when you get raided people don't take your loot, they don't trigger your traps, they don't kill your cc troops, it's brand new stuff everyone should try:p you do still need to dump all your gold so going defenseless is a big waste of all the gold you steal imo, unless it's just for fun

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Originally Posted by Jason5267

everyone should read this thread, if one thing I don't 100% agree with it's that at TH9 and below defense sucks, at TH10 in leagues from m3 and below you win more than you lose, idk if it's because there are more noob Th10s than lower THs? ♥♥♥♥ JK but TH10s can win on defense, it's quite reliable if you aren't at a high cup range, the game is though 99% offense based, instead of going defenseless why not just put town hall outside, that way when you get raided people don't take your loot, they don't trigger your traps, they don't kill your cc troops, it's brand new stuff everyone should try:p you do still need to dump all your gold so going defenseless is a big waste of all the gold you steal imo, unless it's just for fun

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You are drinking the kool-aid i am selling:cool: We have a winner that gets what I am saying .

I agree to a point. Until you are a higher level TH10 your going to get steamrolled by the next town hall up. I'm a maxed TH8 minus dark troop upgrades currently upgrading to TH9. An early level TH9 with lvl6 giants and an AQ can walk all over my base pretty easily.

That said, to me one of the funner part of the game is building your village. I just love when that new upgrade gets done and you have that evil looking WT. When I got my skulls done it did feel like a real achievement. In the clan I'm in with coworkers most of them have the same offense only train of thought. Maxed offense with mediocre defense. Most wars are lost. One is most of them suck and don't learn how to actually attack. They'll just drop Pekkas without clearing a path to the TH or use max dragons and lightening the worst AD possible. To compound the problem most get 3 starred due to the ♥♥♥♥ defense. It's a crappy clan but still fun because it's with coworkers.

In the end it's what is fun to you. You like climbing the leaderboards and maxing your troops. I like farming and maxing my base. That's what's nice, you can play how it's enjoyable to you.

All that said, it would be really nice to have a defense win bonus other than trophies.

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Originally Posted by boomhower

In the end it's what is fun to you. You like climbing the leaderboards and maxing your troops. I like farming and maxing my base. That's what's nice, you can play how it's enjoyable to you.

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TheRealchrism, this is the best point I have found from your threads. You can go defenseless if YOU want. You can be upset if YOU don't get two stars or more. YOU can play just like YOU want. Let US play how WE want. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Defenseless War clan......look em up...there are several ....yes...they do win.....a lot...I had to see it to believe it myself.... I thought they were full of it. They have TH10 with max troops going against TH6's that can't finish off their bases...its hilarious...the cc troops alone wipe out the attacking army in war...ya the war bonus is low..but it is hilarious to watch.....They usually max out stars for war too. again...you have to see it to believe it. You do know there is a war matching formula out there don't you?

I know I am not a fully max TH9.....that is why I put (lvl 15 hero's and legos)....beside it ....everything else is max...duh..

You really did not read this.....You will not waste the time or resources on defense as they do not matter....you get raided once every 12 hours....you raid in between...in a given 8 hour window....you may lose 1-33 trophies if that. Realistically 2-20.... and make that up with ease. Since SC has deemed that you are going to lose a defense anyway...why bother having them...just go defenseless and save the upgrade time and headache.

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What exactly is the formula? I didn't know they announced it. And show me one of those clans, I am very interested.

What you should've put is Max TH9 EXCEPT xyz. Not Max TH9(xyz).

Back to the main discussion, why don't defenses matter? Seems like you've never been above 4000 cups. Finding a base worth 12 cups when 3 starred is very, very rare. Also, the window is 6 hours, not 8 or 12, so you have to make up for the loss within 6 hours, assuming you are perfect and don't lose a single raid. To put things in perspective for you, I'll describe a theoretical situation between two players of equal skill levels:

Player A (Max TH10):
4000 cups initial
+60 in a days worth of raiding
-20 from a 2 star
4040 cups final

PLayer B (Max TH10 without defenses):
4000 cups initial
+60 cups in a days worth of raiding
-30 from a 3 star
4030 cups final

IF you upgraded defenses, you'll lose LESS trophies than you would resulting in a larger net gain. Defenses are not useless at all.

I agree with your point, but only partially. Players who work (or go to school) don't necessarily have time to attack frequently, meaning that defense is a very large factor because they have to save their sparingly gained resources/trophies. The idea of focusing on offense strongly depends on how much time you're spending playing the game.

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Originally Posted by IHateWalls

This is silly, defenses help reduce the trophies you lose. Theoretically you can climb to the top of the leader board defenseless but maintaining your position will be so much easier be max defenses. Also, your suggestion doesn't even fix what you think is a problem. A defenseless TH10 can still 2 star other TH10's and still get trophies.

Oh and you didn't max TH9. You need Lavas and lvl 30 Heroes.

And how can a war clan with people with no defenses go undefeated? They can sweep your base with just heroes or farming base for a guaranteed 3 star while there is a chance someone in the defenseless clan gets only a 2 star.

Please think before posting.

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It may sound counter intuitive, but the best way to win wars is with defenseless villages, under some conditions. I have seen those clans, they never or rarely lose! OP is correct in his assessment. You may do more research on this. Me too, I did not believe it at first. Basically you 3 star their bases, they take back 6 stars from your bases.

"COC is geared solely toward offensive play, defense...as it has been put to me by several people....has no impact on the game and does not matter."
I must agree that coc is geared on offense as raiding is more efficient that waiting for your mines and collectors to produce your resources but i don't agree that defense has no impact on the game. Remember the goblin that attacked your cannon? You built your very first cannon that prevented a possible "3 star" raid by the goblin. The game itself states defense is necessary. Defense do have impact on the game and does matter, especially if you are pushing. Just like what ihatewalls said, "IF you upgraded defenses, you'll lose LESS trophies than you would resulting in a larger net gain. Defenses are not useless at all."
Though defense is necessary, offense is more important if just love raiding.
"How to truly win at COC

1. Upgrade Troops/spells/barracks/camps/lab/pump/mines/spell factory/CC//TH only!! do not buy or upgrade any defense as it does not matter."
I agree that maxing your offense should be the first thing to do but you should upgrade your defenses as well. What will you do with the gold you have?

I must say defense must be the last thing to do. What can a th6 do against dragons and hogs? Or a th8 against the archer queen and lv 6 giants?
Anyway, its just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by latinlotus

It may sound counter intuitive, but the best way to win wars is with defenseless villages, under some conditions. I have seen those clans, they never or rarely lose! OP is correct in his assessment. You may do more research on this. Me too, I did not believe it at first. Basically you 3 star their bases, they take back 6 stars from your bases.

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Um, you do know that you can only get 3 stars on each base right?

I only play 4hrs/day max because I have a wife and a life outside COC. If I didn't have great defenses I wont be able to save up on troop upgrades and royals. If your goal is just win wars go defenseless but my goal is to reach masters and get max royals for TH 9 at my own pace and speed.

at the end of the day all of us have different playstyles and different opinions so no need to argue

for me the beauty of this game is about attacking and building your own base and make it strong.

I think both sides of the fence has an argument. However, if "defenseless champion" was easy, everyone would be doing it.
There is a reason there are very few defenseless champs. The same reason why you see FAR FEWER TH7s in crystal than gold 3.
There are millions of people playing clash. Sure some are in masters and champs with little to no Def. That fact doesnt automatically mean def is useless.

You are not max TH9 -.- *facefloors*

And each person plays how they want to play so, yuh

While I understand where your point, everyone plays differently. I am a mid th 8 and i decided to perform all of my defensive upgrades first then troops. To me defense is one of the most important parts of the game. It allows me to take a break once in a while and know that my defense can hold for a couple of attacks. While the defenses themselves may have trouble killing high level th 9 and 10 troops my traps and bombs help to get rid of them. It is hard you guys to get two or three stars against me and I take pride in getting a defensive win, especially against higher town halls. If you understand troop AI you can control the flow of most raids. I hope this helps someone.:cool::cool::cool::cool:

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Originally Posted by dontaytte

While I understand where your point, everyone plays differently. I am a mid th 8 and i decided to perform all of my defensive upgrades first then troops. To me defense is one of the most important parts of the game. It allows me to take a break once in a while and know that my defense can hold for a couple of attacks. While the defenses themselves may have trouble killing high level th 9 and 10 troops my traps and bombs help to get rid of them. It is hard you guys to get two or three stars against me and I take pride in getting a defensive win, especially against higher town halls. If you understand troop AI you can control the flow of most raids. I hope this helps someone.:cool::cool::cool::cool:

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Don't know about you, but lately since the latest update, I got non stop attacks from large armies of giant level 6. My th8 base gaved out 2 stars every time. Maybe because there is too much elixir out there. Before that for weeks, I barely got anything other level 6 barch which my base can handle without issue.

Anyway, it is fun to watch good defense also. And beside, whatever i lose, I can make it up in 2 or 3 attacks.

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Originally Posted by latinlotus

Don't know about you, but lately since the latest update, I got non stop attacks from large armies of giant level 6. My th8 base gaved out 2 stars every time. Maybe because there is too much elixir out there. Before that for weeks, I barely got anything other level 6 barch which my base can handle without issue.

Anyway, it is fun to watch good defense also. And beside, whatever i lose, I can make it up in 2 or 3 attacks.

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Its bcos the boost me too get attack hard usually i get only snipe now hell on defense

How to win at COC: (in 5 steps or less)

Step 1. Close App
Step 2. Press and Hold App
Step 3. Click the little red "x"
Step 4. Clear GameCenter Data
Step 5. Win

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy28

How to win at COC: (in 5 steps or less)

Step 1. Close App
Step 2. Press and Hold App
Step 3. Click the little red "x"
Step 4. Clear GameCenter Data
Step 5. Win

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EPIC!!!!

+ 10 char

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy28

How to win at COC: (in 5 steps or less)

Step 1. Close App
Step 2. Press and Hold App
Step 3. Click the little red "x"
Step 4. Clear GameCenter Data
Step 5. Win

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Not just +10.....+100


"Duh, WINNING" - Charlie Sheen

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Not just +10.....+100


"Duh, WINNING" - Charlie Sheen

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I stand corrected :D

This only works if you are gemmer. By the time the lab upgrades finish, you can have almost all your defenses upgraded as well. What is the point of waiting for upgrades in your lab (taken you do not gem it) and not do anything else? That is you upgrade all your troops so you can play with different attacks. if all you upgrade is barch and move on, then you can level TH fast, but where is the fun in that?

I think the game offers a lot of fun at each level and defense does matter. Maybe not to the most skilled players, but how many players can execute 3 star attacks every single time? Even then luck plays part in that too.

I personally would not find much pleasure fighting in clan wars with TH10 maxed troops against TH5/6/7.

The other thing you are assuming is that everyone can sit there all day and be online continuously. Most of us can't nor want to do that - I want to be able to play at my leisure, not be a slave to the game. And you know what my decently upgraded farming base does? 80+% of the time, my TH gets sniped and I lose no loot. If my base sucked, the instant I log off I would get 3 starred by the first person to see my base.

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Originally Posted by petio1981

I personally would not find much pleasure fighting in clan wars with TH10 maxed troops against TH5/6/7.

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This. Who the heck finds fun in getting matched up against far inferior opponents, let alone trying to call it winning?

Yes, there's a way to get matched up against a clan with inferior troops to you. Just like in many shooters there's usually a glitch where you can get behind a wall and shoot others that can't shoot you. Difference is, in the shooter nobody even pretends that's a good strategy, or "winning". It's an exploit, and people using it are considered trolls at best.

My advice is to stop trying to find ways to play inferior opponents and instead learn how to win against an evenly matched opponent and better. That's the fun. That's winning.

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Originally Posted by Santoron

This. Who the heck finds fun in getting matched up against far inferior opponents, let alone trying to call it winning?

Yes, there's a way to get matched up against a clan with inferior troops to you. Just like in many shooters there's usually a glitch where you can get behind a wall and shoot others that can't shoot you. Difference is, in the shooter nobody even pretends that's a good strategy, or "winning". It's an exploit, and people using it are considered trolls at best.

My advice is to stop trying to find ways to play inferior opponents and instead learn how to win against an evenly matched opponent and better. That's the fun. That's winning.

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Pretty much this. I was wondering if anyone would mention the fact that he said the Defenseless War Clans are being matched against TH 6 and 7's. I've played so many games similar to this, browser style, mobile apps etc. And it's always this mentality of winning when you're really just being a schoolyard bully that make me raise an eyebrow.

Yeah, CoC is definitely geared toward offensive play, but there's no bearing on skill what so ever if you're matching your offensive power against someone 3-4 levels beneath you in growth. It's like the guys back on Evony who used to drop $1000's on the first week of a server then act like they were godly for keeping the rest of us pinned down for months. It's not winning, it's schoolyard bullying. In an even fight, there's very minimal chance you're going to win a War without the defenses to match/counter their troops.

Da fuk?

Step number 2: raid continuously until 10 minute boot.

I stopped reading after that

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Originally Posted by 4orce

Pretty much this. I was wondering if anyone would mention the fact that he said the Defenseless War Clans are being matched against TH 6 and 7's. I've played so many games similar to this, browser style, mobile apps etc. And it's always this mentality of winning when you're really just being a schoolyard bully that make me raise an eyebrow.

Yeah, CoC is definitely geared toward offensive play, but there's no bearing on skill what so ever if you're matching your offensive power against someone 3-4 levels beneath you in growth. It's like the guys back on Evony who used to drop $1000's on the first week of a server then act like they were godly for keeping the rest of us pinned down for months. It's not winning, it's schoolyard bullying. In an even fight, there's very minimal chance you're going to win a War without the defenses to match/counter their troops.

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