Defensive Win League Bonus

Again, not a new idea..but we need to get this bumped. This is NOT ruled out...I have searched.


When you get attacked and the attacker DOES NOT get 1 star.... YOU GET THE LEAGUE BONUS AS THE DEFENDER!!!


it is that simple....someone gets the bonus...why not you for the awesome defense you just provided. It costs to reload traps/bomb/xbows/infernos......why not get the league bonus for defensive wins? A win is a win isn't it? SO, explain why this is not implemented? Why are we getting punished for having great defense? We keep a defensive win stat after all....why not get the bonus loot.


THIS IS ACTUALLY ON THE IDEAS PAGE OF THE "IDEAS, RULED OUT" sticky......


POLL ADDED....LETS GET SOME STEAM ON THIS ONE!!!

In my opinion I don't think it should be implemented. Sometimes I'll sign on and three people have dropped one barb and quit to drop levels and I'm up 40 trophies, that had nothing to do with my awesome defence just got lucky. I think the incentive for winning is for being active,encouraging you to play more. Sitting idle doesn't warrant a bonus I don't think. I mean don't get me wrong I'd love extra loot, I just don't think it would be completely fair.

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Originally Posted by BurnsTheBallbag

In my opinion I don't think it should be implemented. Sometimes I'll sign on and three people have dropped one barb and quit to drop levels and I'm up 40 trophies, that had nothing to do with my awesome defence just got lucky. I think the incentive for winning is for being active,encouraging you to play more. Sitting idle doesn't warrant a bonus I don't think. I mean don't get me wrong I'd love extra loot, I just don't think it would be completely fair.

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Same can be said about TH sniping though, with the win bonus.

Not really, you actively snipped it and they decided to leave it out there. You still paid for troops to hit it and paid to search for the base. If there's an easy TH people will take it. But they are paying to find them and paying to attack them with troops.

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Originally Posted by xmaxer

Same can be said about TH sniping though, with the win bonus.

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BINGO!

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Originally Posted by BurnsTheBallbag

In my opinion I don't think it should be implemented. Sometimes I'll sign on and three people have dropped one barb and quit to drop levels and I'm up 40 trophies, that had nothing to do with my awesome defence just got lucky. I think the incentive for winning is for being active,encouraging you to play more. Sitting idle doesn't warrant a bonus I don't think. I mean don't get me wrong I'd love extra loot, I just don't think it would be completely fair.

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xmaxer is correct... they got lucky they found a TH outside...they get the bonus. Are you actually idle? Did you not work hard to set your base up to defend? Load your traps/bombs/xbow/inferno/CC? How is that sitting idle? All in all....it is perfectly fair. If there is a "win bonus" as it is stated....should it matter if the WIN is defense or offense? It shouldn't matter...to quote The Rock "IT DOESN"T MATTER" just give the bonus either way.

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Originally Posted by BurnsTheBallbag

Not really, you actively snipped it and they decided to leave it out there. You still paid for troops to hit it and paid to search for the base. If there's an easy TH people will take it. But they are paying to find them and paying to attack them with troops.

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so i drop my BK or AQ, spend no loot except the search loot and snipe a TH and get the win bonus.....what effort did I really exert? How was that truly "active"?

Flip side: I drop my BK/AQ then end raid to trophy drop...how was that active...same loot spent to search..

GIVE THE DEFENSIVE WIN BONUS ALREADY!!!

Meh, ok I'll take a defencive win bonus then ;) Just think the people on the end of a barb drop are getting something they don't deserve, but we all get them so it would even out I guess. But I'm in Crystal 2, do I deserve a 50,000 bonus for someone dropping levels, I don't think so, but I'd take it ;)

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Originally Posted by BurnsTheBallbag

Meh, ok I'll take a defencive win bonus then ;) Just think the people on the end of a barb drop are getting something they don't deserve, but we all get them so it would even out I guess. But I'm in Crystal 2, do I deserve a 50,000 bonus for someone dropping levels, I don't think so, but I'd take it ;)

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The defensive win bonus =/= the offensive win bonus.
realistically it would have to be lower.

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Originally Posted by BurnsTheBallbag

Meh, ok I'll take a defencive win bonus then ;) Just think the people on the end of a barb drop are getting something they don't deserve, but we all get them so it would even out I guess. But I'm in Crystal 2, do I deserve a 50,000 bonus for someone dropping levels, I don't think so, but I'd take it ;)

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Do you deserve the trophy's for the same thing?....but you will still take them :p

Make sure you vote on this!!!!!

No. Defending is 100% up to the attacker not defender. Loot bonuses should be based on active things not passive ones.

Sniping THs isn't difficult, but it is active. You actually have to play to do it.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

No. Defending is 100% up to the attacker not defender. Loot bonuses should be based on active things not passive ones.

Sniping THs isn't difficult, but it is active. You actually have to play to do it.

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Debate:

Explain how defending is 100% up to the attacker... Do we not spend as much time developing our bases to defend as we do attacking? Constantly arranging and upgrading our defense to be able to defend? Checking our account so we can reload/reset traps/bombs/cc/xbow/inferno? Setting our xbow and inferno properly? It is 100% up to the attacker to use the proper army against our base. That is why there is a next button. If defense was 100% passive....why even bother to defend. Why have a defense stat, why have a defense achievement? Why give trophy's for trophy droppers on your base?

So what you are telling me is that base defense is in no way as important as the attackers offense, nor does it have the significance to allot a "League Win Bonus". If this is true...then half the game has no purpose.

Rebuttal please.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Debate:

Explain how defending is 100% up to the attacker... Do we not spend as much time developing our bases to defend as we do attacking?

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Your base matters very little. By necessity no base can be invulnerable. That means it's all about the attacker and how good they are, not how good your base is.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Constantly arranging and upgrading our defense to be able to defend? Checking our account so we can reload/reset traps/bombs/cc/xbow/inferno? Setting our xbow and inferno properly?

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At the end of the day, none of this matters much.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

It is 100% up to the attacker to use the proper army against our base. That is why there is a next button. If defense was 100% passive....why even bother to defend.

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We dont. I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of leaving your th out for a free shield.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Why have a defense stat, why have a defense achievement?

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Why not? We have an obstacle removal one too.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Why give trophy's for trophy droppers on your base?

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Because the attacker wins or loses trophies based on how successful their attack was.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

So what you are telling me is that base defense is in no way as important as the attackers offense, nor does it have the significance to allot a "League Win Bonus". If this is true...then half the game has no purpose.

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Correct. Look at the leader board and view the attacks won vs. defenses won. Success in this game is defined by how often you attack and win. Those who attack and win more often gain more trophies than those who don't. No one defends their way to the top. In fact defense at the top really means staying online for as much as possible so as to avoid attack completely.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Rebuttal please.

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Done.

Also, I'll leave this right here if you need further rebuttal.
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-4000-Trophies

I can understand wanting something in return after watching your base do a good defense. But its in the end just an additional payout, and one that would happen not infrequently. So SC gives up some profits footing the bill and the game economy gets disrupted. They really can't do that.

I don't see how this can be consider unfair when someone is just using you for trophy drops. That does happen, but people try to attack and fail as well. Sure the trophies are your reward, but not everyone is interested in them. I'll take the win bonus all day long, because rearming traps can be expensive. If it makes people feel better, it could have an expiration timer on it so inactive players won't benefit from it. Just my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by JasonSC82

I don't see how this can be consider unfair when someone is just using you for trophy drops. That does happen, but people try to attack and fail as well. Sure the trophies are your reward, but not everyone is interested in them. I'll take the win bonus all day long, because rearming traps can be expensive. If it makes people feel better, it could have an expiration timer on it so inactive players won't benefit from it. Just my thoughts.

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What I was pointing out though was that the bonus has to come out of someone's pocket. In this case SC's. They are not going to d that unless they get something in return and something that balances it, which here they do not.

As this idea is "obvious" wouldn't supercell have already considered this? And if so, as it is not in the game, have reasons to not include it. For that reason it probably has little chance of being implemented into the game. We can revenge attacks done on our base, why need more to get out of it?

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Your base matters very little. By necessity no base can be invulnerable. That means it's all about the attacker and how good they are, not how good your base is.

C-I agree no base in invulnerable. However; attacker success is not just on the attacker solely. Base design by the defender comes into play..not just how skilled is the attacker. Placement and coverage can eat up any attackers troops. I have had Champ lvl 150+ attack my base in war and barely muster a 1 star..sometimes 2. Yes, 1 star is a win in any book. But a lvl 150+ should be able to demolish my base...but they can't. I HAVE NEVER BEEN 3 STARRED as a TH9 and invite you to try. xmod me, chrism clan: Agentofdarkness #92YV8PCR.... please post the pic of the outcome if you do 3 star me...I would love to see it and so would my clan. They would love to see a 3 star on me...trust me.


At the end of the day, none of this matters much.

C -At the end of the day....if it does not matter that much, then why upgrade defense. Chief Pat with the defenseless Champ was correct.

We dont. I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of leaving your th out for a free shield.

C-Yes, we all do it at some point for the shield.. or to keep our loot protected at the price of trophy's


Why not? We have an obstacle removal one too.

C -I will give you the obstacle removal is weak..but so is your point.


Because the attacker wins or loses trophies based on how successful their attack was.

C -I will disagree....I will put onus on 50/50 attacker/defender. As a weaker defender can defend against a stronger attacker or vice versa.



Correct. Look at the leader board and view the attacks won vs. defenses won. Success in this game is defined by how often you attack and win. Those who attack and win more often gain more trophies than those who don't. No one defends their way to the top. In fact defense at the top really means staying online for as much as possible so as to avoid attack completely.

C -With that statement, you make it seem like only losers with no life other than playing COC are the only ones at the top.....if so....then so be it.


Done

C -No, I am just getting started.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

What I was pointing out though was that the bonus has to come out of someone's pocket. In this case SC's. They are not going to d that unless they get something in return and something that balances it, which here they do not.

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The win bonus comes out of SC's pocket...why not.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

What I was pointing out though was that the bonus has to come out of someone's pocket. In this case SC's. They are not going to d that unless they get something in return and something that balances it, which here they do not.

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Who's pocket does it come from when the attacker is awarded bonus for the win? Sure the attacker pays for its troops to attack you, but they steal your loot to help cover that cost.

When I'm attacked and they set off all my bombs/traps, steal loot from me, and still lose I'm rewarded with the cost of rearming everything, trophies, and a loss of whatever they stole.

A win is a win, and bonus loot for winning should go both ways.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Also, I'll leave this right here if you need further rebuttal.
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-4000-Trophies

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I find it odd that everyone votes yes until Dahimi says "No" lol...... No offense Dahimi...this is just a debate with valid points to be brought up on both sides. I really do feel that this is a topic to be addressed and a valid explanation from SC/COC why this will not be implemented.

You posted the edit after I posted mine....


Yes, savage seven....I have heard of them, seen their bases....all the more reason why Chief Pat was right in his assessment of COC and why the Defenseless worked so well.

If defense means so little...then why is defending your base so important in Clan Wars? Does base design have nothing to do with how many stars your base gives up? C'mon man........multiple attackers can not be that bad.

Answer me this....why is SC upgrading/adding the defensive structures if defense is not important in any way, shape or form? What is the purpose if the only real goal as you put it is " In fact defense at the top really means staying online for as much as possible so as to avoid attack completely."?

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

I find it odd that everyone votes yes until Dahimi says "No" lol...... No offense Dahimi...this is just a debate with valid points to be brought up on both sides. I really do feel that this is a topic to be addressed and a valid explanation from SC/COC why this will not be implemented.

You posted the edit after I posted mine....


Yes, savage seven....I have heard of them, seen their bases....all the more reason why Chief Pat was right in his assessment of COC and why the Defenseless worked so well.

If defense means so little...then why is defending your base so important in Clan Wars? Does base design have nothing to do with how many stars your base gives up? C'mon man........multiple attackers can not be that bad.

Answer me this....why is SC upgrading/adding the defensive structures if defense is not important in any way, shape or form? What is the purpose if the only real goal as you put it is " In fact defense at the top really means staying online for as much as possible so as to avoid attack completely."?

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The purpose of defensive structures is to raise the bar on attacker skill/strength required to get to the top. On a broader scale it gives us all something to do. Even with all these structures, however, really dedicated attackers can reach 4k trophies at th7. How often do you suppose a th7 succeeds in defending at 4k trophies?

Yes multiple attackers can be that bad. Way more than 200 people think they could be in the top 200 if gems were removed from the equation.

They can make the bonus based on the amount of troops used. Like 1 archer might give very low bonus but a gowipe win will gove a lot.

Maybe that would be too op because sometimes people attack you like 5 times. so like a million right there by you doing NOTHING!

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

I find it odd that everyone votes yes until Dahimi says "No" lol...... No offense Dahimi...this is just a debate with valid points to be brought up on both sides. I really do feel that this is a topic to be addressed and a valid explanation from SC/COC why this will not be implemented.

You posted the edit after I posted mine....


Yes, savage seven....I have heard of them, seen their bases....all the more reason why Chief Pat was right in his assessment of COC and why the Defenseless worked so well.

If defense means so little...then why is defending your base so important in Clan Wars? Does base design have nothing to do with how many stars your base gives up? C'mon man........multiple attackers can not be that bad.

Answer me this....why is SC upgrading/adding the defensive structures if defense is not important in any way, shape or form? What is the purpose if the only real goal as you put it is " In fact defense at the top really means staying online for as much as possible so as to avoid attack completely."?

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That's because he had a valid poit an persuaded people to chane their minds.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

C-I agree no base in invulnerable. However; attacker success is not just on the attacker solely. Base design by the defender comes into play..not just how skilled is the attacker. Placement and coverage can eat up any attackers troops. I have had Champ lvl 150+ attack my base in war and barely muster a 1 star..sometimes 2. Yes, 1 star is a win in any book. But a lvl 150+ should be able to demolish my base...but they can't. I HAVE NEVER BEEN 3 STARRED as a TH9 and invite you to try. xmod me, chrism clan: Agentofdarkness #92YV8PCR.... please post the pic of the outcome if you do 3 star me...I would love to see it and so would my clan. They would love to see a 3 star on me...trust me.

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The fact that no base is invulnerable means, by definition, that the attacker can always win. Therefore any loss is because the attacker failed. Not sure why you're going on about whether you have been three starred or not. You already agree with point #1 that no base is invulnerable.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

C -At the end of the day....if it does not matter that much, then why upgrade defense. Chief Pat with the defenseless Champ was correct.

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If all you care about is trophies. Upgrading defense is largely a waste.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

C-Yes, we all do it at some point for the shield.. or to keep our loot protected at the price of trophy's

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Why not use all those amazing defensive towers on your level 150 never been three starred base?

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

C -I will give you the obstacle removal is weak..but so is your point.

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You're the one who seems to think an achievement somehow justifies a given game mechanic. Yes this point is weak...equally as weak as yours. That's why I made it.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

C -I will disagree....I will put onus on 50/50 attacker/defender. As a weaker defender can defend against a stronger attacker or vice versa.

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Then why aren't defensive wins vs. successful attacks 50/50 on the leaderboard? It is 100% up to the attacker, period.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

C -With that statement, you make it seem like only losers with no life other than playing COC are the only ones at the top.....if so....then so be it.

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Your words not mine. All I said was that the folks at the top have to stay online as much as possible to retain those positions. I made no such judgement about what it means for folks to spend that time.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The purpose of defensive structures is to raise the bar on attacker skill/strength required to get to the top. On a broader scale it gives us all something to do. Even with all these structures, however, really dedicated attackers can reach 4k trophies at th7. How often do you suppose a th7 succeeds in defending at 4k trophies?

Yes multiple attackers can be that bad. Way more than 200 people think they could be in the top 200 if gems were removed from the equation.

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Not unless a TH5 is attacking him LOL. 1 star victories do not impress me, I can barch anyone for one star. With that being said, yes TH3 Master TH5 Champ...ya ya, league level means nothing is the point. A TH7 should not succeed in defending against a TH 9/10....then yes...I would put that on the attacker. At any rate...back to the subject..

What is the reason/purpose for why SC will not give defensive wins a League Win bonus or even a partial Defensive win bonus. I will go literal here and lawyer it: It is not called an "attack win bonus", it is called a "Loot Bonus" or a "Win Bonus" depending on where you look. Is not a successful defense or attack a "Win" by definition? YES, If you "Win" do you get a bonus? The answer to that one is only half right. You can "Win" a defense and get no "bonus" but you can "win" an attack and get a bonus. So....SC needs to change the name of the league bonus to "Attack Win Bonus". This will end my argument and end my lawyer-ing of this subject. So in essence, it is not a "WIN BONUS" it is just an "ATTACK WIN BONUS", it is all in the wording. In any case...until SC changes it, it is just unfair and discriminatory.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Not unless a TH5 is attacking him LOL. 1 star victories do not impress me, I can barch anyone for one star. With that being said, yes TH3 Master TH5 Champ...ya ya, league level means nothing is the point. A TH7 should not succeed in defending against a TH 9/10....then yes...I would put that on the attacker. At any rate...back to the subject..

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1 star victories may not impress you, but do you know what the game calls a person who gets one star?

The winner.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

What is the reason/purpose for why SC will not give defensive wins a League Win bonus or even a partial Defensive win bonus. I will go literal here and lawyer it: It is not called an "attack win bonus", it is called a "Loot Bonus" or a "Win Bonus" depending on where you look. Is not a successful defense or attack a "Win" by definition? YES, If you "Win" do you get a bonus? The answer to that one is only half right. You can "Win" a defense and get no "bonus" but you can "win" an attack and get a bonus. So....SC needs to change the name of the league bonus to "Attack Win Bonus". This will end my argument and end my lawyer-ing of this subject. So in essence, it is not a "WIN BONUS" it is just an "ATTACK WIN BONUS", it is all in the wording. In any case...until SC changes it, it is just unfair and discriminatory.

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The attacker is the one that wins or loses. SC knows this. That's why attackers get bonuses.

The defender does nothing.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Why not use all those amazing defensive towers on your level 150 never been three starred base?


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You misread the quote, I apologize if my wording mislead......I am not lvl 150...I am level 107, TH9 max def, troops.........I have been attacked by everything from 1-178.....still not 3 starred on war base or regular ( yes, I get attacked by TH10's in wars...a lot) ....anyone is welcome to try and send me the results...I would love to evaluate the video and make tweaks to my base....and yes...I take my defense as serious as my offense.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

1 star victories may not impress you, but do you know what the game calls a person who gets one star?

The winner.



The attacker is the one that wins or loses. SC knows this. That's why attackers get bonuses.

The defender does nothing.

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yes a win is a win by 1 or 100......it does not mean that I am impressed by it....it impresses no one in my clan....a 1 star is like a participation trophy.. look I got a medal for showing up.... You do not post a 1 star win and think you "win" or are good in our clan...sorry our standards are little high.

The defender...even if he wins loses....cost of traps/bombs/xbow/inferno, loot lost, cc troops...so the defender is getting punished for doing "nothing"....do you see my point on this one? If you win the defense...at least give enough to cover cost of reset/refill. Defensive Win bonus... You are acting like the attacker is the only one with anything to lose or gain when it is quite the contrary.

Sc give more bonus to attacker from their pocket i think appreciate def a little bit is good
i dont really need them use farming base and hopefully get th shield

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Then why aren't defensive wins vs. successful attacks 50/50 on the leaderboard? It is 100% up to the attacker, period.

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Missed this one... So you are a decent level, you will get this quick. In an 8 hour frame, I can attack 10-30 times giving boost/army comp etc... I can muster 0-30 wins in that time frame....then COC boots me for 10 mins...low and behold a defense or 2 in that time frame...lets say I win 1 and lose the other. So I am 30 attack wins 1 def win, 1 def loss...and I get a shield. I come back and start attacking again with the same results for another 8 hours....with that being said... I would have only received 2 defensive bonuses.....is that really breaking SC's bank on a bonus? And that, very obviously, answers your question of why the def wins/succ attacks are not 50/50.....I thought you already knew this?

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Originally Posted by JasonSC82

Who's pocket does it come from when the attacker is awarded bonus for the win? Sure the attacker pays for its troops to attack you, but they steal your loot to help cover that cost.

When I'm attacked and they set off all my bombs/traps, steal loot from me, and still lose I'm rewarded with the cost of rearming everything, trophies, and a loss of whatever they stole.

A win is a win, and bonus loot for winning should go both ways.

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That bonus does come out of SCs pocket. that have that built into the game economy. That economy is something they have very carefully balanced so that the value of the in game currency goes neither up or down and also so that (and this is the part you are gonna have trouble talking them out of) in the end they walk away with a lot of profits.

They don't care if a win is a win or if you deserve anything or not. They expect you to raid (so stealing from another player) to cover the rearming costs, not for them to foot that bill. So regardless of whether you feel its right or wrong, they are not going to give any of that up. They are not here to give you what you want, they are here to make money off you. So to get what you want you have to come up with a way that giving that to you in the end produces a profit for them.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

That bonus does come out of SCs pocket. that have that built into the game economy. That economy is something they have very carefully balanced so that the value of the in game currency goes neither up or down and also so that (and this is the part you are gonna have trouble talking them out of) in the end they walk away with a lot of profits.

They don't care if a win is a win or if you deserve anything or not. They expect you to raid (so stealing from another player) to cover the rearming costs, not for them to foot that bill. So regardless of whether you feel its right or wrong, they are not going to give any of that up. They are not here to give you what you want, they are here to make money off you. So to get what you want you have to come up with a way that giving that to you in the end produces a profit for them.

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The amount of def wins would in NO WAY break COC bank....really....it would just reward those that do have a good defense when they do win....the "bank" is the same bank that you get your bonus from on the attack wins.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Missed this one... So you are a decent level, you will get this quick. In an 8 hour frame, I can attack 10-30 times giving boost/army comp etc... I can muster 0-30 wins in that time frame....then COC boots me for 10 mins...low and behold a defense or 2 in that time frame...lets say I win 1 and lose the other. So I am 30 attack wins 1 def win, 1 def loss...and I get a shield. I come back and start attacking again with the same results for another 8 hours....with that being said... I would have only received 2 defensive bonuses.....is that really breaking SC's bank on a bonus? And that, very obviously, answers your question of why the def wins/succ attacks are not 50/50.....I thought you already knew this?

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If you can do 8 hours of straight attacking you are more man than I. The best I can do (not sure if you or I are closer to normal usage) is to do an attack, then go live my life while troops remak for an hour or two, then another attack, then offline with my life. So in between those attacks I am getting hit a few times, sine I have zero stars I get no shield so its actually a lot of times. So a guy like me (sorry if this is an odd level of usage to not be on straight for 8 hours) is going to get a lot more defensive wins vs offensive wins so that would be a lot of payouts SC has to do.

But no matter, it makes no difference whether its a lot or only a little, its still something. To convince SC to pay for it there has to be a reason they would want to, so there has to be something in it that makes it a profit for them. So far I think your reason seems to be based on 'because I want it'. But do you have some reason other than that which you can say why they gain something for themselves if they do it? Please tell me. (even if you thought I knew this.)

Since I of course would love to get something for my defenses I would eagerly embrace anything you came up with that would make sense from SCs point of view.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

The amount of def wins would in NO WAY break COC bank....really....it would just reward those that do have a good defense when they do win....the "bank" is the same bank that you get your bonus from on the attack wins.

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Ok, send me $20. I want $20 so you should send it to me. It won't break you to send me $20 so there is no reason for you to not do it.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

yes a win is a win by 1 or 100......it does not mean that I am impressed by it....it impresses no one in my clan....a 1 star is like a participation trophy.. look I got a medal for showing up.... You do not post a 1 star win and think you "win" or are good in our clan...sorry our standards are little high.

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The point being what impresses you doesn't matter. A win is a win, like you say.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

The defender...even if he wins loses....cost of traps/bombs/xbow/inferno, loot lost, cc troops...so the defender is getting punished for doing "nothing"....do you see my point on this one? If you win the defense...at least give enough to cover cost of reset/refill. Defensive Win bonus... You are acting like the attacker is the only one with anything to lose or gain when it is quite the contrary.

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When the attacker loses, the defender gets trophies. The game from SCs perspective is about trophies not resources. Clearly the defender has something to lose. What I'm acting like is that it doesn't matter. When a person attacks your base, the ball is in their court and you've already agreed that no matter what they -can- win.

The only way there should be a defense bonus is if they ever allow you to do anything now that you can view attacks live.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

Missed this one... So you are a decent level, you will get this quick. In an 8 hour frame, I can attack 10-30 times giving boost/army comp etc... I can muster 0-30 wins in that time frame....then COC boots me for 10 mins...low and behold a defense or 2 in that time frame...lets say I win 1 and lose the other. So I am 30 attack wins 1 def win, 1 def loss...and I get a shield. I come back and start attacking again with the same results for another 8 hours....with that being said... I would have only received 2 defensive bonuses.....is that really breaking SC's bank on a bonus? And that, very obviously, answers your question of why the def wins/succ attacks are not 50/50.....I thought you already knew this?

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Why are you replying to me and arguing other people's points? I never said it would break the bank.

As as for your hypothetical, where it matters this is seldom the case. The moment a top ranked person logs, someone attacks them and nearly every time, the attacker wins. If this weren't the case, why wouldn't they just break their shield and log off?

Again, there is no way a th7 is getting a defense win at 4k trophies.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

If you can do 8 hours of straight attacking you are more man than I. The best I can do (not sure if you or I are closer to normal usage) is to do an attack, then go live my life while troops remak for an hour or two, then another attack, then offline with my life. So in between those attacks I am getting hit a few times, sine I have zero stars I get no shield so its actually a lot of times. So a guy like me (sorry if this is an odd level of usage to not be on straight for 8 hours) is going to get a lot more defensive wins vs offensive wins so that would be a lot of payouts SC has to do.

But no matter, it makes no difference whether its a lot or only a little, its still something. To convince SC to pay for it there has to be a reason they would want to, so there has to be something in it that makes it a profit for them. So far I think your reason seems to be based on 'because I want it'. But do you have some reason other than that which you can say why they gain something for themselves if they do it? Please tell me. (even if you thought I knew this.)

Since I of course would love to get something for my defenses I would eagerly embrace anything you came up with that would make sense from SCs point of view.

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That was just a "for instance" any way you go about it, your attacks will always outweigh your defenses...unless you are a die hard farmer then all you will have is defenses and again....one or two defensive wins every 12 hours is not that significant in the big picture.

Bottom line.....it is just "the right thing to do"....I know it is cliche....but it really is...

I would love for SC staff to give me a legitimate-makes-sense reason why it is not offered. It is not like we would be breaking the imaginary bank. It may even speed up play. I would love a list of pro's and con's from SC on this....I am sure the pro's would outweigh the con's:

Pro's
Inject loot into the economy
Give a reason to upgrade defenses
Make defense mean something
Slow down TH sniping
Make defending more meaningful

Con's
.........can you really think of any
SC gives a defensive win bonus.........which in turn goes right back to COC for reset/refill.......

It is not like I am asking for gems or anything of significance that would dent SC's wallet.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Why are you replying to me and arguing other people's points? I never said it would break the bank.

As as for your hypothetical, where it matters this is seldom the case. The moment a top ranked person logs, someone attacks them and nearly every time, the attacker wins. If this weren't the case, why wouldn't they just break their shield and log off?

Again, there is no way a th7 is getting a defense win at 4k trophies.

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1. Huh?... I didn't reply to you on that one...I replied to rwelshjr...do not know what you were looking at for that.... if you are looking at the 50/50 quote...that was you...look at your previous responses. Using the phrase "breaking the bank"...was just that...using the phrase....not using other peoples points toward you just reinforcing the point I was making..with a metaphor.
2. You are only talking about high level players, I am talking all players in general. Most high level players have a shield schedule that they go by and would really be the least effected in either way by the defensive win bonus.

So what is really your point...you do not like the idea therefore you are so close minded you have to be dismissive to a valid suggestion? Why are you just focusing on the top upper tier players and not all of the players in COC? This really is a beneficial idea with a real reward for "playing the game" as it was intended. If someone can stop me from getting a "win" on their base....yes....they should be rewarded with a defensive win bonus..regardless of league level or exp level. Why is that so hard to grasp? What is your real problem with this suggestion other than No I don't like it? Explain why this is bad for the COC economy? Why is this bad in general? What would this really hurt? Who wouldn't benefit from it? If you have something constructive to add, please do, if the idea needs amending, please add something constructive. Take a step back and look at the big picture, this would benefit all of COC, not just high, med or low level players.

When a battle start there should be a loot prize and the winner takes
basicly now if a defender win he/she hurt economy cause loot prize fail be looted
so more th snipe guys thats good for economy

Yup, I agree, defense win bonus is an awesome idea. If u win an offense, and get bonus, getting one for defense will most certainly make the COC economy better. 😊

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Originally Posted by Mann23

Yup, I agree, defense win bonus is an awesome idea. If u win an offense, and get bonus, getting one for defense will most certainly make the COC economy better. 😊

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Thank you...Did I make this too confusing for anyone....just trying to make sure that this was an easy concept to understand....

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Originally Posted by OfficerBarbary

That's because he had a valid poit an persuaded people to chane their minds.

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I saw nothing but closed minded targeted comments geared towards the top 1% of COC....not about the entire playing range of COC..... still can't find that valid point.

I didn't really believe in this type of league bonus, but after everyone the thread made it apparent that people are already getting loot bonus for just place a few archers next to a town hall, I think this is a great idea that would help ease some of the "loot problems".

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League Related:
* Award resource bonuses for successful defense in addition to successful attack
* Alter matchmaking to FIRST attempt to match within your league, then proceed outside if necessary

THIS IS NOT IN THE RULED OUT SECTION>>>>

Its about time they come with a proper system of rewarding deffence
so these lv 4 archers sniping my th will help me to collect loot while i sleep :rolleyes:

Sorry, im noob. How to vote here? I would give u support for this

Hey,
If supercell were to add this, then they would probably have to increase the price of re-arming traps, because if you remember correctly, a couple updates ago you used to have to buy a new (Example) Bomb from the shop after one was used up in a raid. This tells you that they are an expendable building, and the point is that if you want that extra line of defense, it's gonna cost you, where if you get a bonus that covers the cost... then, well, it's not gonna cost you! Cool idea though... :)

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Originally Posted by xmaxer

The defensive win bonus =/= the offensive win bonus.
realistically it would have to be lower.

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Why?

It's harder to win a defence than an attack.

If anything, it should be higher.

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Originally Posted by BurnsTheBallbag

Not really, you actively snipped it and they decided to leave it out there. You still paid for troops to hit it and paid to search for the base. If there's an easy TH people will take it. But they are paying to find them and paying to attack them with troops.

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The cost to find it is minimal.

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Originally Posted by AlvinSoehendryWijaya

Sc give more bonus to attacker from their pocket i think appreciate def a little bit is good
i dont really need them use farming base and hopefully get th shield

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What are u trying to say?

I have had this idea several times before even coming to these forums, but it is true, it needs to benefit the company too. I already thought of scaling rewards, but that isn't enough. 50% defensive loot for 25% damage, duh, but there needs to be an active incentive to play.

Think like shield. A player who gets on, resets his traps, collects loot, and goes to work gets a 6 hour window for defensive loot bonus. One who jumps on and attacks at least once gets an 8 to 10 hour window. Promotes active play, and promotes active defense, while reducing th on the outside, making skill more critical in attacking. This will promote better players AND bases, increasing the useful population of clan member applicants.

I do not think that this bonus should apply to war, big enough bonus for attacks, and attacking is the priority. Plus, no cost for rearming.

Yay, finally more debate on this. I have raised this topic previously. I believe traps should be automatically reset for free after a defensive win. This could be the defensive loot bonus. What really annoys me is being hit with 2 attacks in 3 minutes....there isn't time to get on and reset the traps after the first win, which results in my being stomped by the next attacker. That is ludicrous. How is it my base comes up more than once in 3 minutes of battle searches? At least give free auto trap resets for successful defences. The alternative promotes leaving the TH outside with all the issues/debates that entails. Time for SC to do the right thing.

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Originally Posted by Spurs978

What are u trying to say?

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I dont care
to make it simple

-I believe traps should be automatically reset for free after a defensive win. This could be the defensive loot bonus.

I simply cannot agree with this. Weakened bases are a part of attack strategy, tombstones tell me where your traps were activated.

-What really annoys me is being hit with 2 attacks in 3 minutes....there isn't time to get on and reset the traps after the first win, which results in my being stomped by the next attacker.

Thus the point of improving defenses other than traps. I have also won two defenses in a row before a higher level player stomped me into the dust REGARDLESS of traps.

-How is it my base comes up more than once in 3 minutes of battle searches?

Old fashioned bad luck, or a base that looks very attackable with tombstones around it. It means you didn't get a shield the first attack, so pat on the back.

-At least give free auto trap resets for successful defences. The alternative promotes leaving the TH outside with all the issues/debates that entails. Time for SC to do the right thing.

Thus the idea for a loot incentive. If you do well defensively multiple times, traps pay for themselves. They still get what loot they stole, you don't get punished for winning, and free shields look less attractive. And BOTH free and auto trap resets defeat the whole point, as th on the outside would equal large numbers of traps around walled THs outside of main bases. Best of both, and mean to boot.

I'm a maxxed TH9 and working on the wall / hero grind so there are no more defences to improve - like everyone I depend on traps in addition to the defences. I too can win 2 defences in a row, but it guts me that I can't get on to reset traps before my base comes up again in someone else's battle search. So whilst I get a pat on the back for a great defence, my defences are reduced for the next attacker and that is my reward?? The logic feels twisted....but I agree with the thrust of your post that there should be some reward for a successful defence.

We all need to keep in mind that anything that increases our defense increases the enemies defense, too. I don't want to be surprised by bombs where, by all accounts, it should have already blown up. We can't ask for defense upgrades that lower attack oppertunities for ourselves, this will hurt an active player.

I also don't think that we need to auto repair as much as we need to improve traps. Like springs that won't go off for just one barb, or bombs that can kill an equivalent level archer, one shot. These things will save traps from being activated for little effect, and maybe cause some to still be active in the next battle.

However, for the sake of fairness, and keeping more in line with winning defense bonuses, there should be an elixer powered defense that stays active for more than one battle. They have the x-bow, why not the x-bomb? Improve the chance of multiple defensive wins by being active so you can maintain a stronger defense for cheaper. Or a mutistage defense that costs more to restock per charge, but strong enough to increase chances of multiple win bonuses fairly? It's all connected.

I'll tell you why... I have multiple profiles, spent thousands of dollars on your game, for one reason and one reason only, to win WARS! I couldn't care less about being at the top of your trophy system. My clan battles war after war. I want my clan at the top of that list! Oh wait, there isn't one... I am on this game 100 times a day and attack other people maybe 2 times a week, does that make ke inactive lol. Giving us a bonus for a successful defend will cost you nothing! Everytime someone attacks there is a bonus at stake, if your successful you get it, if not, the defender should. You could make it so at least 75% of the attackers troops have to be expended before the defender is eligible for the bonus, so no bonus will be rewarded a defender for getting his TH sniped, oh wait, unless he sets thousands of dollars in traps and bombs that have to be reloaded, by the TH so he can make the attacker give up at least 75% of his troops, then it would be the defenders wits, strategy, that would deserve him the bonus! This needs to be taken off the chopping block and implemented in the game!!

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Originally Posted by BurnsTheBallbag

In my opinion I don't think it should be implemented. Sometimes I'll sign on and three people have dropped one barb and quit to drop levels and I'm up 40 trophies, that had nothing to do with my awesome defence just got lucky. I think the incentive for winning is for being active,encouraging you to play more. Sitting idle doesn't warrant a bonus I don't think. I mean don't get me wrong I'd love extra loot, I just don't think it would be completely fair.

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I challenge you to show me in your last 40 defense logs how many times this has happened. Can this happen? Yes. But this is incredibly rare, and the few times that it occurs shouldn't invalidate the good idea that is implementing a defensive win league bonus. Furthermore, where would this be most prevalent? In the low Silver/Bronze leagues, for those players who are dropping down to get into sub 200. Tell me how much the league bonus is down there, and then exactly how profitable it would be to get a handful of drop/surrender victories.

Like the idea BUMP

This is a must. Every attack there is a bonus at stake. If the attacker gets a star he gets the bonus, if he doesn't, the defender gets it! That simple. If getting a bonus because someone dropped a queen and some trophies on you is bothering you supercell, then make it so 50% or 75% of the attackers troops have to be expended before the defender is eligible for the bonus. Real simple. Real fair!